Just received a Tax form in the post - what next ?

[jwest10]

3 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Hi , after reading all of the comments and advice posted here to my original question , it seems that due to my small UK state pension ( which is my only income being transferred to my Bangkok Bank account from the UK  )  even if I do fill out the tax form I would not be taxed. So in my mind I'm thinking ....is it better to be safe than sorry. 

Yes, it seems your exemptions are higher than your income and have a Thai friend whose partner works at the local Revenue office no need to file and yes do see your anxiety but other posts stating be careful you are in the system and so many differing views from the so-called experts.
Up to you as the Thai saying goes but we await most of us and always the question "Do you work here"? 
No, so you do not need to file.

[newbee2022]

12 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

What an answer and he was just asking a question!!

And I answered. Where is your problem? Many do not know how to fill in the form. Do YOU know??

[newbee2022]

15 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Hi and thanks, what I wanted to do was to make sure that I filled the forms out correctly as they are all worded in Thai , and my Thai wife did not understand many of the questions on the forms. So I decided to seek help and ask at my local tax office , who were very helpful . Ive attached the tax forms in question. 

At your revenue department (or download) you can have it in English including instruction.  Also you can submit your file by email.

[steven.g]

As a Canadian who lives retired in Thailand, I m tax exempt due to treaty agreements. However, I still must fill out the form. 

[jwest10]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:16 PM, NoDisplayName said:

 

Approx. 350K remitted.  All non-assessable by DTA.  No need to file.

 

But let's assume you have a weird pension that IS taxable.  You would be over the 60K (unmarried) income threshold and would technically be required to file a return.  You get 60K personal allowance, 190K old fogies allowance (*), and 100K pension deduction.  That coincidentally brings your taxable income to exactly zero.  No tax.

 

Had your income been higher, your first 150K above 350K would be taxed at 0%.  The next 150K above that would be taxed at 5%.

 

You can still file and get your interest withholding tax refunded.

 

(*)  Anyone know if the 190K old-age allowance is added to the 60K personal allowance, giving you 250K, or does the old-age allowance replace the personal allowance?  Do you get both, or only one?

 

 

***OPINION ONLY.  NOT ADVICE.  DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY.***

Think the 100k and 190k is listed on the old forms and no new forms are out but it is confusing and just not sure ok

[tomgreen]

12 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

WOW!!! And I so not work or via the compuer and in January I renewed my permission to stay by means of retirement and no mention of a tax form.

The thought of one day standing in front of an immigration officer and as I hand over my completed retirement visa yearly extension paperwork , the immigration officer looks at me and asks, where is you Thailand tax assessment paperwork 😱

[tomgreen]

3 minutes ago, steven.g said:

As a Canadian who lives retired in Thailand, I m tax exempt due to treaty agreements. However, I still must fill out the form. 

Hi, thats interesting , so your tax exempt but still need to fill out a Thailand tax form .

[jwest10]

15 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Hi, thats interesting , so your tax exempt but still need to fill out a Thailand tax form .

Yes I do understand your concern and really not sure but my local Revenue office and a Thai friend whose partner works in a Revenue office has stated the same thing and so many differing views but as one of the well know phrases "Up to you" 
Also the original poster stating yikes on their system!!! I am for my sins a British Citizen.

[tomgreen]

7 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yes I do understand your concern and really not sure but my local Revenue office and a Thai friend whose partner works in a Revenue office has stated the same thing and so many differing views but as one of the well know phrases "Up to you" 
Also the original poster stating yikes on their system!!! I am for my sins a British Citizen.

The whole subject of submitting a Thai tax form in , is in many ways confusing , and a bit like Russian roulette , where the completed Thai tax form is the bullet.

[jwest10]

5 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

The whole subject of submitting a Thai tax form in , is in many ways confusing , and a bit like Russian roulette , where the completed Thai tax form is the bullet.

Yes, Tom and yes people say do not worry too much but we all do and on several things regarding our special Thai families.
Hey ho but they go for the easy target and not the filthy rich in all countries and yes in Thailand too nut they have connections in high places and makes  us all fume

[tomgreen]

2 hours ago, mikebell said:

I, too, thought about the move to Philippines.  Like you, age was a deterrent.  I think there is room for an enterprising Philippino firm to set up a bogus address and communicate with their thousands of British retirees by email to convince DWP that you have moved.

 

May be there all ready exists some one / business in the Philippines that can sort out the necessary paperwork , for retired British citizens , to convince the DWP that they are residing in the Philippines . I wonder if any one here knows of such a service .

[jwest10]

3 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

 

May be there all ready exists some one / business in the Philippines that can sort out the necessary paperwork , for retired British citizens , to convince the DWP that they are residing in the Philippines . I wonder if any one here knows of such a service .

We would be found out and The Department of no Pensions and those getting increases with a false address hope they are clobbered but no and we all detest the DWP.

[tomgreen]

4 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yes, Tom and yes people say do not worry too much but we all do and on several things regarding our special Thai families.
Hey ho but they go for the easy target and not the filthy rich in all countries and yes in Thailand too nut they have connections in high places and makes  us all fume

Ive always been a worrier and add to that curse my genetic knee jerk reaction to always get things done quickly. A few weeks ago I received in the post at my home, a '' are you still alive '' form , that the UK pension department sent me . They want to confirm that I'm still alive and should they keep paying my pension money , yet another thing to worry about , and here's me thinking that retiring to Thailand would offer a paradise stress free life style  ( don't get me started about private health care options 🙄 )

[tomgreen]

9 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

We would be found out and The Department of no Pensions and those getting increases with a false address hope they are clobbered but no and we all detest the DWP.

And to add to detest ..... Frozen Pensions .

[jwest10]

1 minute ago, tomgreen said:

Ive always been a worrier and add to that curse my genetic knee jerk reaction to always get things done quickly. A few weeks ago I received in the post at my home, a '' are you still alive '' form , that the UK pension department sent me . They want to confirm that I'm still alive and should they keep paying my pension money , yet another thing to worry about , and here's me thinking that retiring to Thailand would offer a paradise stress free life style  ( don't get me started about private health care options 🙄 )

Yes, Tom  They supposed to be sent randomly I have received 4 of them in 8 years but the last one sent by ordinary post and not received and telephoned them the other day
Nothing is easy and yeah well my Family tried several times to put me on the family scheme but no!!

[jwest10]

1 minute ago, tomgreen said:

 

May be there all ready exists some one / business in the Philippines that can sort out the necessary paperwork , for retired British citizens , to convince the DWP that they are residing in the Philippines . I wonder if any one here knows of such a service .

The Department with no pensions but we would be found out and wonder those getting increases regarding a false address get clobbered  and  detest them we all do

[tomgreen]

2 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yes, Tom  They supposed to be sent randomly I have received 4 of them in 8 years but the last one sent by ordinary post and not received and telephoned them the other day
Nothing is easy and yeah well my Family tried several times to put me on the family scheme but no!!

With what I know now and looking back Ive come to realize that Ive made some big mistakes along the way, 

 

1. I should have not informed the UK pension department that I was moving to live in Thailand . Big mistake ( at the time I had fallen in love with a wonderful Thai woman and Thailand compared to my home country , was a paradise on earth where I wanted to live in for ever ) .

 

2. Wanting to be with the love of my life and live in Thailand as quick as possible, I sold my house and banked the cash . Big mistake ( I should have rented my house out which would have increased in value , plus the rent money that I would have received would have been a big bonus. )

 

3. Building a house , so that my Thai wife could be near her parents.  Big mistake ( I spent a lot of money building a house near where my wife's parents lived out in the country side . 6 months after building the house so my wife could live near her parents , her parents decided to sell their house and move to another far off part of Thailand. ) 

 

4. I decided to take out a private health care insurance policy that would cover me for any inpatient medical treatment . Big mistake ( I should have just saved the monthly private health insurance money in a saving account )

 

 

 

 

[flexomike]

1 hour ago, tomgreen said:

The whole subject of submitting a Thai tax form in , is in many ways confusing , and a bit like Russian roulette , where the completed Thai tax form is the bullet.

like I told you earlier just go to the tax office and let them do it, very fast process you will be in and out quickly, they will print out a copy for you and mine even gave me a reference number to use next year

[jwest10]

6 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

With what I know now and looking back Ive come to realize that Ive made some big mistakes along the way, 

 

1. I should have not informed the UK pension department that I was moving to live in Thailand . Big mistake ( at the time I had fallen in love with a wonderful Thai woman and Thailand compared to my home country , was a paradise on earth where I wanted to live in for ever ) .

 

2. Wanting to be with the love of my life and live in Thailand as quick as possible, I sold my house and banked the cash . Big mistake ( I should have rented my house out which would have increased in value , plus the rent money that I would have received would have been a big bonus. )

 

3. Building a house , so that my Thai wife could be near her parents.  Big mistake ( I spent a lot of money building a house near where my wife's parents lived out in the country side . 6 months after building the house so my wife could live near her parents , her parents decided to sell their house and move to another far off part of Thailand. ) 

 

4. I decided to take out a private health care insurance policy that would cover me for any inpatient medical treatment . Big mistake ( I should have just saved the monthly private health insurance money in a saving account )

 

 

 

 

The money soon goes down with 3 Grandchildren and yes most hardly got any saving and yes no houses or family back in Blighty but hey ho would not have changed things as we had circumstances and could no buy out the ex but nearly 18 years out here and loved it to be fair.
Uk is a <deleted>e hole and we have all mad e mistakes but other circumstances outside our control but enjoy each day as and when it comes and yes seeing family grown up is amazing and many contributed massively re houses etc etc/

 

[jwest10]

3 minutes ago, flexomike said:

like I told you earlier just go to the tax office and let them do it, very fast process you will be in and out quickly, they will print out a copy for you and mimne even gave me a reference number to use next year

Yeah but when they have stated no need to file and they not going to give one a letter are they? 
Your circumstances it seems very different to others?
And in the system always!!!

[flexomike]

2 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yeah but when they have stated no need to file and they not going to give one a letter are they? 
Your circumstances it seems very different to others?

Would say my circumstances here would be quite normal, remit one pension that is assessable and subject to filing taxes and one pension that is not assessable so need to claim, 77 years old.

[jwest10]

2 minutes ago, flexomike said:

Would say my circumstances here would be quite normal, remit one pension that is assessable and subject to filing taxes and one pension that is not assessable so need to claim, 77 years old.

Yes, they have told me several times at the Revenue and yes up to everyone what to do or not.

[keithsimmonds]

On 2/20/2025 at 10:42 PM, NorthernRyland said:

I would ignore it. After all Thailand has not able to properly process traffic tickets. They simply have no infrastructure and the authorities don't care enough. Everyone knows this and nothing is ever done. Unless immigration gets involved personally it's a non-issue. If it becomes an issue you'll know about it by no uncertain means.

My pal in Chumphon told me he was fined 400baht for speeding when he came to renew the Tax on his car last month... He never got any notification of that in the post and they would not renew his car tax unless he paid..

[treetops]

7 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

My pal in Chumphon told me he was fined 400baht for speeding when he came to renew the Tax on his car last month... He never got any notification of that in the post and they would not renew his car tax unless he paid..

 

He shouldn't have paid and cited this case from late last year.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40044356

 

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, tomgreen said:

Hi and thanks, what I wanted to do was to make sure that I filled the forms out correctly as they are all worded in Thai

 

Form PND90 in English:

 

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/220367PIT90.pdf

 

Instructions for PND90 in Englsih:

 

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/GUIDE_90_66_Complete.pdf

 

There are many words on those five pages, but most won't apply to you.  Get the TRD office to help fill in the first time.  You need your and wife's ID numbers, address and age.  Confirm that you get the over 65 deduction.  

 

You need your total pension amount remitted, and claim the 100K income/pension exemption.  If claiming interest tax, you need total interest received, total interest tax withheld and the bank's TIN.  Enter amounts of any additional exclusions - life/health insurance, social insurance contributions, etc.

 

 

If you don't want to refund the interest withholding, you don't have to request it.  If your income is low enough you won't pay tax, you don't have to claim any additional deductions.

 

Everything else is automated if filing online.  Next year you and your wife can do it from home in ten minutes.

 

Other forms available here:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/65308.html

 

If you aren't claiming an interest withholding refund, I believe you can use the shorter 3-page PND91, income ONLY 'derived' from employment.

[tomgreen]

37 minutes ago, flexomike said:

like I told you earlier just go to the tax office and let them do it, very fast process you will be in and out quickly, they will print out a copy for you and mine even gave me a reference number to use next year

Thanks, I'm planning to go and get the tax all ready taken statement from my Thai bank savings account ( as requested by my local tax office ) and then once Ive got that paper work , I will be going back to my local tax office ( there they said that they would fill every thing out on line for me ) and ask them to then process every thing . Its interesting that you were given a reference number to use next year . Just out of interest ( being nosey ) was the outcome of you filing your tax form in , what you had expected. 

[tomgreen]

16 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Form PND90 in English:

 

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/220367PIT90.pdf

 

Instructions for PND90 in Englsih:

 

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/GUIDE_90_66_Complete.pdf

 

There are many words on those five pages, but most won't apply to you.  Get the TRD office to help fill in the first time.  You need your and wife's ID numbers, address and age.  Confirm that you get the over 65 deduction.  

 

You need your total pension amount remitted, and claim the 100K income/pension exemption.  If claiming interest tax, you need total interest received, total interest tax withheld and the bank's TIN.  Enter amounts of any additional exclusions - life/health insurance, social insurance contributions, etc.

 

 

If you don't want to refund the interest withholding, you don't have to request it.  If your income is low enough you won't pay tax, you don't have to claim any additional deductions.

 

Everything else is automated if filing online.  Next year you and your wife can do it from home in ten minutes.

 

Other forms available here:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/65308.html

 

If you aren't claiming an interest withholding refund, I believe you can use the shorter 3-page PND91, income ONLY 'derived' from employment.

Many thanks, its appreciated , I thought that there should be a pdf link some where for the '' English '' forms, but could not find them. Hopefully your post may also help others in some way. 🙏

 

 

 

 

 

[jwest10]

33 minutes ago, tomgreen said:

Many thanks, its appreciated , I thought that there should be a pdf link some where for the '' English '' forms, but could not find them. Hopefully your post may also help others in some way. 🙏

 

 

Yes no new forms then?

 

 

 

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, steven.g said:

As a Canadian who lives retired in Thailand, I m tax exempt due to treaty agreements. However, I still must fill out the form. 

If you have no assessable income (or assessable income less than 60k baht) you are not required to file.

 

Further, there is nowhere on the tax gotm ehere you can declare non-assessable income. 

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, jwest10 said:

Yes, it seems your exemptions are higher than your income and have a Thai friend whose partner works at the local Revenue office no need to file and yes do see your anxiety but other posts stating be careful you are in the system and so many differing views from the so-called experts.
Up to you as the Thai saying goes but we await most of us and always the question "Do you work here"? 
No, so you do not need to file.

A number (but not all)  of provincial Revenue Depts are telling  people no need to file if no tax owed. This is not technically correct -- by law must file if you have more than 60k in assessable income -- but the most you risk (assuming indeed no tax due) is a small fine, and that seems rarely enforced.  Still, I personally would file in that circumstance.  

 

A few RDs are telling people only need to file if you work in Thailand. That is, and always has been, completly untrue and if as a result you fail to pay tax due, could come back to bite you in future.