DOGE employee cuts fall heavily on agency that regulates Musk’s Tesla

[Harrisfan]

Just now, placeholder said:

Try to keep in mind that he his gather gave him about half a billion dollars. And a business that Trump ran into the ground. Whether smart or not, ethically speaking, he's a slimeball.

His father gave him $200m. He stays busy doing things. Poor smart people stay busy too. There are poor backpackers travelling the world and seeing 50 countries. What's the point of whingeing about somebody you never going to meet? 

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

His father gave him $200m. He stays busy doing things. Poor smart people stay busy too. There are poor backpackers travelling the world and seeing 50 countries. What's the point of whingeing about somebody you never going to meet? 

You don't like facts so you'll reject the source.

He received close to 500 million.

 

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

[Harrisfan]

Just now, stevenl said:

You don't like facts so you'll reject the source.

He received close to 500 million.

 

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

Who cares??????

[bubblegum]

47 supporters are like quicksand.

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Who cares??????

Ignorance is bliss. Stay happy.

[mogandave]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Unlike Musk,  his competitors are in no position to fire anyone there. Donald Trump has identified Musk as the leader of DOGE. So how do you know people were 't fired at his behest?

I don’t. Why are you pretending they were? 

 

Do you think Musk is pouring over thousands of personnel files, trying to figure out who stays and who goes? 

 

They are cutting 10%. It’s a union shop. Those on probation first, seniority after that. 

 

Autonomous vehicles seems like a newer department. 

 

If you want approval, carrots work a lot better than sticks. 

[Harrisfan]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Ignorance is bliss. Stay happy.

You don't know any useful info just leftist msm news like Biden is fine. Stay ignorant.

[mogandave]

7 hours ago, candide said:

His team....

Nor does Musk’s team have the authority to fire anyone.

[blaze master]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

And just who are you to decide what should or shouldn't happen?

 

You, like me and just about every other poster on this forum, are just an alias behind a keyboard, or have you forgotten that part?

 

Who elected you as Grand Poo Bah?

 

It's an opinion. Get over it geez why you so angry.

 

Don't you think people making accusations should come forward. 

 

Or you think it's ok that people make wild claims annonymously. Shoot even this forum wants proof when people make claims. 

 

[candide]

47 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Who cares??????

You cared enough to reply about it, but apparently you stopped to care after you have been proven wrong.... 🙂

[mogandave]

57 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You don't like facts so you'll reject the source.

He received close to 500 million.

 

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

Actually, the article “cheats” and makes it look like Trump inherited more than he did by playing fast and loose with market values. 

[candide]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Nor does Musk’s team have the authority to fire anyone.

Well, the OP says:

"A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions."

 

However, it seems you have found information explaining the decision making process. Can you link it?

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, the OP says:

"A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions."

 

However, it seems you have found information explaining the decision making process. Can you link it?

Well if @placeholdersaid it, it must be true.

[blaze master]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, the OP says:

"A small government team regulating the sort of autonomous cars that Elon Musk says represent the future of Tesla, his car company, is getting cut nearly in half by the Musk-led U.S. Doge Service, according to people briefed on the reductions."

 

However, it seems you have found information explaining the decision making process. Can you link it?

 

Who specifically made these claims ? If it was a Republican the link brigade would be demanding their pound of flesh.

 

All we have to go on is trust me bro.

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You don't know any useful info just leftist msm news like Biden is fine. Stay ignorant.

Let's face it. You don't care about facts. When it was pointed out that you're claim about Trump inheriting 200 million instead of 500 million was false, you reply was that you didn't care. You don't care about facts. Facts you don't like you claim are leftist. Stay ignorant.

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Let's face it. You don't care about facts. When it was pointed out that you're claim about Trump inheriting 200 million instead of 500 million was false, you reply was that you didn't care. You don't care about facts. Facts you don't like you claim are leftist. Stay ignorant.

What facts do you know that make your life better? None. Googling random trivial does not make you smart. I can list 100 things you don't know.

[candide]

15 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Well if @placeholdersaid it, it must be true.

Deflecting? It's the WaPo.

 

So you have nothing to back up your claim, it seems.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Who specifically made these claims ? If it was a Republican the link brigade would be demanding their pound of flesh.

 

All we have to go on is trust me bro.

In other words, you also have noth8ng.

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Let's face it. You don't care about facts. When it was pointed out that you're claim about Trump inheriting 200 million instead of 500 million was false, you reply was that you didn't care. You don't care about facts. Facts you don't like you claim are leftist. Stay ignorant.

Your 500 claim is wrong btw. Closer to 413 after adjustments for inflation so even less without so you are a liar.

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, candide said:

In other words, you also have noth8ng.

 

So asking for who made the claims is got nothing ?

 

You're a strange one indeed. 

[MicroB]

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

, regsrdin

Who specifically made these claims ? If it was a Republican the link brigade would be demanding their pound of flesh.

 

All we have to go on is trust me bro.

 

The Washington Post conducted the investigation.

 

During the Q4 24 Tesla earnings call (transcript widely available through sites such as Motley Fool), in response to a question, Musk said he wanted to take responsibility away from the states regarding the regulation of autonomous vehicles, and impose standards from central government  through something that he was calling back then "a partner of government efficiency". He intimated that he believed state governments should have no say what goes on their roads.

 

Later, in December 24:

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-may-stop-reporting-fatal-FSD-accidents-as-Musk-s-DOGE-team-preps-to-drop-fed-safety-rules.932267.0.html

 

Quote

 

At Tesla's last quarterly results press conference, Elon Musk said that a newly formed Department Of Government Efficiency (DOGE) will pave the way for the launch of its driverless Robotaxi by creating a regulatory framework governing autonomous vehicles at the federal level.

 

.........Accordingly, part of Trump's transition team responsible for transportation legislation has prepared a deregulation move that aligns with DOGE's credo of removing government overreach. Instead of crafting autonomous vehicle regulations on a federal level, however, it is aiming to remove the reporting safeguards that the NHTSA demands from companies that provide driver-assist systems like Tesla's FSD.

 

...........If Trump's administration legislates the transition team's recommendations, Tesla will no longer have to comply with the NHTSA's requirement to report every accident where its FSD or Autopilot software has been on at least 30 seconds before the crash. As the largest provider of such features, Tesla has been involved in the vast majority of fatal accidents that fit the profile of this NHTSA requirement.

.........The NHTSA has used this data to issue fines and recalls asking for clearer labelling of the dangers of driver-assist systems, contrary to Tesla's rosy language used in FSD or Autopilot marketing descriptions.

As Trump's team is calling for more liberalization around self-driving cars, the NHTSA immediately reacted with a statement saying that the crash reporting requirements have been pivotal to gauge and improve the safety of driver-assist systems, so it remains to be seen if that particular DOGE deregulation will play out.

 

 

 

If I was a taxi driver, I'd be looking for another line of work, but you won't be needed soon. This is apparently what Americans want, sitting in the back of a driverless electric cab hurtling along at 80mph. This fits in with Musk's ultimate vision of eliminating all private car ownership.

[MicroB]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Never use taxis

 

 

Musk intends that you won't have a choice,

[Harrisfan]

Just now, MicroB said:

 

 

Musk intends that you won't have a choice,

Musk runs Thailand?

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

The Washington Post conducted the investigation.

 

During the Q4 24 Tesla earnings call (transcript widely available through sites such as Motley Fool), in response to a question, Musk said he wanted to take responsibility away from the states regarding the regulation of autonomous vehicles, and impose standards from central government  through something that he was calling back then "a partner of government efficiency". He intimated that he believed state governments should have no say what goes on their roads.

 

Later, in December 24:

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-may-stop-reporting-fatal-FSD-accidents-as-Musk-s-DOGE-team-preps-to-drop-fed-safety-rules.932267.0.html

 

 

 

If I was a taxi driver, I'd be looking for another line of work, but you won't be needed soon. This is apparently what Americans want, sitting in the back of a driverless electric cab hurtling along at 80mph. This fits in with Musk's ultimate vision of eliminating all private car ownership.

 

Did you even read the MSN linked article posted by,the OP ?

 

[mogandave]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Deflecting? It's the WaPo.

 

So you have nothing to back up your claim, it seems.

“White House says DOGE Doesn't Have Statutory Authority to Fire Anyone”

 

https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-says-doge-doesnt-have-statutory-authority-fire-anyone-2032914

 

 

[MicroB]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Never use taxis

 

Well Musk thinks you will, because that's what he sees as the future of personal transport, essentially the end of private car ownership. Now the market disagrees with him, and he has been repetitively wrong in many of his predictions.

 

Tesla sales are in decline, not because of dislike of EVs or Musk, but a natural effect of the market maturing, and competitors catching up. There are very sound reasons why RoboTaxi is utterly essential to Tesla's future; Musk said as much at the Q3 Tesla earnings call last year. He is now in a position to essentially fix the market for his company, ie making it easier to regulate autonomous cars, lowering the cost of that business, making it more attractive to people who are in the business of taxis. All these things were predicted by Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, and other luxury car makers who suddenly started buying up private limo services, and why Jaguar went so hard with Waymo (and perhaps cost the company its future, though I suspect the new XJ will be a great car).

 

Even if that doesn't come to pass, and Elon doesn't take your proverbial car off you, you will be sharing the roads (as a driver, or if you don't know how to drive, as a passenger) with increasing numbers of autonomous cars, any one of which could take you out.

 

Your reaction, in the context that you don't use taxis (ever, never) and have no interest in autonomous vehicles, is "Good". Perhaps English isn't your native tongue, but I took that to mean you were supportive of deregulation and autonomous cars. But your subsequent statements contradict that position. Most people on the Trump-leaningpart are generally anti "Big Government" and more power to the people, ie the states not the federal government. But Musk literally wants to strip states of the autonomy of what goes on their roads, and impose distant Washington edicts. That's a position normally associated with the Hard Left, who are usually the anti-democratic lot.

 

Or was your response a knee jerk response, that government can do no bad.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, MicroB said:

 

Well Musk thinks you will, because that's what he sees as the future of personal transport, essentially the end of private car ownership. Now the market disagrees with him, and he has been repetitively wrong in many of his predictions.

 

Tesla sales are in decline, not because of dislike of EVs or Musk, but a natural effect of the market maturing, and competitors catching up. There are very sound reasons why RoboTaxi is utterly essential to Tesla's future; Musk said as much at the Q3 Tesla earnings call last year. He is now in a position to essentially fix the market for his company, ie making it easier to regulate autonomous cars, lowering the cost of that business, making it more attractive to people who are in the business of taxis. All these things were predicted by Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, and other luxury car makers who suddenly started buying up private limo services, and why Jaguar went so hard with Waymo (and perhaps cost the company its future, though I suspect the new XJ will be a great car).

 

Even if that doesn't come to pass, and Elon doesn't take your proverbial car off you, you will be sharing the roads (as a driver, or if you don't know how to drive, as a passenger) with increasing numbers of autonomous cars, any one of which could take you out.

 

Your reaction, in the context that you don't use taxis (ever, never) and have no interest in autonomous vehicles, is "Good". Perhaps English isn't your native tongue, but I took that to mean you were supportive of deregulation and autonomous cars. But your subsequent statements contradict that position. Most people on the Trump-leaningpart are generally anti "Big Government" and more power to the people, ie the states not the federal government. But Musk literally wants to strip states of the autonomy of what goes on their roads, and impose distant Washington edicts. That's a position normally associated with the Hard Left, who are usually the anti-democratic lot.

 

Or was your response a knee jerk response, that government can do no bad.

Musk will control the world roads? Madness

[candide]

59 minutes ago, mogandave said:

“White House says DOGE Doesn't Have Statutory Authority to Fire Anyone”

 

https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-says-doge-doesnt-have-statutory-authority-fire-anyone-2032914

 

 

"The Trump administration appears to be downplaying the power of DOGE, and walking back its portrayal of Musk as its leader, as it responds to the lawsuit."

[Harrisfan]

Just now, candide said:

"The Trump administration appears to be downplaying the power of DOGE, and walking back its portrayal of Musk as its leader, as it responds to the lawsuit."

Musk is an advisor.

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

"The Trump administration appears to be downplaying the power of DOGE, and walking back its portrayal of Musk as its leader, as it responds to the lawsuit."

Is that your way of saying you were wrong? 

 

As I said, DOGE does not have statutory authority for fire people. 

 

DOGE asks Trump to fire them, and if Trump agrees, Trump gives the order to fire them. 

 

This is how I understand it from the get. The lawsuits were just the left saber rattling.

 

Most of the lawsuits are just delaying/discrediting tactics and will be thrown out in lower courts. 

 

Some will go to the Supreme Court, most will go in favor of the Administration, some won’t. 

 

Everything is being done legally and constitutionally.