Zelinsky: The End Is Near

[rough diamond]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

No they won't if the US puts an end to it. 

How do you claim the US will put an end to it?

If they/Russia and Europe in a moment of madness agreed to this it will be by sacrificing European Countries and also giving free reign to China, North Kore Iran etc.? 

[steven100]

3 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

How do you claim the US will put an end to it?

If they/Russia and Europe in a moment of madness agreed to this it will be by sacrificing European Countries and also giving free reign to China, North Kore Iran etc.? 

totally agree ....  I think Trump is talking out of his a_rse .....  and he won't have a say in ending this war.  Just my opinion

[rough diamond]

7 minutes ago, steven100 said:

totally agree ....  I think Trump is talking out of his a_rse .....  and he won't have a say in ending this war.  Just my opinion

I believe that Trump is actually extending the war as he is giving Putin so many supporting signals that will encourage Putin to grab as much of Ukraine at any cost as quickly as he can while Trump withholds support along with the delays in Europe getting together and filling the voids.

[steven100]

TRUMP your credibility just keeps diminishing more and more by the day.  The more you open your trap the more you make a fool of your self because you just keep lying. 

[steven100]

5 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

I believe that Trump is actually extending the war as he is giving Putin so many supporting signals that will encourage Putin to grab as much of Ukraine at any cost as quickly as he can while Trump withholds support along with the delays in Europe getting together and filling the voids.

yes,  you are possibly correct   

[steven100]

6 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

I believe that Trump is actually extending the war as he is giving Putin so many supporting signals that will encourage Putin to grab as much of Ukraine at any cost as quickly as he can while Trump withholds support along with the delays in Europe getting together and filling the voids.

 

I honestly think Europe will have to get troops going real soon ....   they cannot just sit back and do nothing but talk.

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

I honestly think Europe will have to get troops going real soon ....   they cannot just sit back and do nothing but talk.

I’m old enough to remember when the left was all about peace and negotiations, now they’re all kill kill kill. 

 

I guess killing is where the money and power is. 

[mogandave]

17 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

I believe that Trump is actually extending the war as he is giving Putin so many supporting signals that will encourage Putin to grab as much of Ukraine at any cost as quickly as he can while Trump withholds support along with the delays in Europe getting together and filling the voids.

What is this claim based on?

[DonniePeverley]

On 2/22/2025 at 8:09 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I give him 48 hours. Lucky he squirreled away so much and has villas overseas to live his life in luxury, as a million Ukrainian mothers mourn the senseless death of their kids. It was for nowt.

 

 

So which part of your country would you give up if Putin came for it ?

[steven100]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The Russian navy does not need Crimea to control its naval entry to the Black Sea. It can do that just as easily from the port of Novorosslyk.

 

The Russian bear will not go back to sleep. The Russian demographic is collapsing, this is the Kremlin's last chance to push westward to natural land barriers.

 

Putin's miscalculated invasion only succeeded in adding 1500 km of frontier with a new NATO country, Finland. The Finns have not forgotten how they were forced to cede Karelia in 1940.

 

Russia has an existential crisis as bad as Ukraine. Appeasing it is just kicking the can down the road.

I still say blow Moscow of the face of the earth,  what has Ukraine got to lose, Russia has slaughtered kids, women and elderly,  that's enough evidence for me to destroy them ..... just do same as Truman did in August 1945,  wipe the bastards out ....   Ukraine is stuck between a rock and a hard place,  they have been thrown under a bus protecting Europe ......  bomb Moscow. imo 

[steven100]

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I’m old enough to remember when the left was all about peace and negotiations, now they’re all kill kill kill. 

 

I guess killing is where the money and power is. 

well mogandave, you can blame that on Russia

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

So which part of your country would you give up if Putin came for it ?

If my country was a former Soviet state and the US had effectively taken control of it(against all treaties and promises), I would be sounding the alarm bells as loud as possible.

Provocation is bad. Provocation leading to war is unforgiveable. Denying the facts and blindly cheering on one side is stupid.

[DonniePeverley]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I still say blow Moscow of the face of the earth,  what has Ukraine got to lose, Russia has slaughtered kids, women and elderly,  that's enough evidence for me to destroy them ..... just do same as Truman did in August 1945,  wipe the bastards out ....   Ukraine is stuck between a rock and a hard place,  they have been thrown under a bus protecting Europe ......  bomb Moscow. imo 

 

 

If they did that, Ukraine would face nuclear weapons, or large destructive weapons reigning down on their cities.

 

The reality is Russia could dispose of Ukraine by unilaterally destorying it to peices and killing everyone, and probably Ukraine in retaliation has enough weapons to destroy some Russian cities. It would be mutual destruction. 

 

What then would be the point of the Russians invading Ukraine, if you've destroyed everything and left it in a mess. The cost of rebuild would be huge. If you nuclear bomb it, then you couldn't live there for decades - so what would have been the point ?

 

I don't think anyone in Russia signed up for having Moscow or other cities destroyed either. 

 

Russians clearly miscalculated the strength of resolve from Europe to back Ukraine, and thought they could steam roller over new land. This was about a land grab. Nothing else. 

 

 

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I still say blow Moscow of the face of the earth,  what has Ukraine got to lose, Russia has slaughtered kids, women and elderly,  that's enough evidence for me to destroy them ..... just do same as Truman did in August 1945,  wipe the bastards out ....   Ukraine is stuck between a rock and a hard place,  they have been thrown under a bus protecting Europe ......  bomb Moscow. imo 

Finish off Gaza and Iran as well, right? 

 

Wipe the bastards out!

[DonniePeverley]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

If my country was a former Soviet state and the US had effectively taken control of it(against all treaties and promises), I would be sounding the alarm bells as loud as possible.

Provocation is bad. Provocation leading to war is unforgiveable. Denying the facts and blindly cheering on one side is stupid.

 

 

Nonsensical argument. So what led Putin to annex Georgia? The west did nothing so felt embolded. Waited for the rite conditions didn't he. He's hurt Europe with the energy crisis, and calculated no way they would back Ukraine. 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

If they did that, Ukraine would face nuclear weapons, or large destructive weapons reigning down on their cities.

 

The reality is Russia could dispose of Ukraine by unilaterally destorying it to peices and killing everyone, and probably Ukraine in retaliation has enough weapons to destroy some Russian cities. It would be mutual destruction. 

 

What then would be the point of the Russians invading Ukraine, if you've destroyed everything and left it in a mess. The cost of rebuild would be huge. If you nuclear bomb it, then you couldn't live there for decades - so what would have been the point ?

 

Russians clearly miscalculated the strength of resolve from Europe to back Ukraine, and thought they could steam roller over new land. This was about a land grab. Nothing else. 

 

 

Most of “land grab “ took place over ten years ago. 

 

Do you really think Ukraine can get Crimea and the Donbas back in a ground war with Russia?

 

Nukes are a pretty strong hole-card.

[DonniePeverley]

Just now, mogandave said:

Most of “land grab “ took place over ten years ago. 

 

Do you really think Ukraine can get Crimea and the Donbas back in a ground war with Russia?

 

Nukes are a pretty strong hole-card.

 

Ukraine has no Nukes. But it has enough to destroy some Russian cities too - if it came to a destruction process. Sad times. 

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

If they did that, Ukraine would face nuclear weapons, or large destructive weapons reigning down on their cities.

 

The reality is Russia could dispose of Ukraine by unilaterally destorying it to peices and killing everyone, and probably Ukraine in retaliation has enough weapons to destroy some Russian cities. It would be mutual destruction. 

 

What then would be the point of the Russians invading Ukraine, if you've destroyed everything and left it in a mess. The cost of rebuild would be huge. If you nuclear bomb it, then you couldn't live there for decades - so what would have been the point ?

 

Russians clearly miscalculated the strength of resolve from Europe to back Ukraine, and thought they could steam roller over new land. This was about a land grab. Nothing else. 

 

 

I hear ya '    and I agree some,  but Ukraine problem is it's been used as a guinea pig to protect Europe and Europe hasn't done enough in return to protect Ukraine.  -AND THAT'S LOGIC COMMON SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED -

 

so if I was Urkaine, honestly, I would destroy Moscow anyway possible,  because as it stands there is no end game and Russia will try to move west and just murder everyone,   so I wouldn't hesitate in nuking Moscow.  they have No choice ....  imo

[steven100]

with no international army boots on the ground,    it sends a message that you have to fend for yourself so you do that by bombing Moscow.   Then either Europe will get off their a_sre and help or they can become cannon fodder as well.   imo

[connda]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He brought totally into the ridiculous msm narrative that the war was totally unprovoked and only happened because Putin is a madman. Lots of them did. Shows the power of propaganda on minds that need quick takes on everything. Putin bad. Ukraine good. No shades of grey. No understanding of the provocations. Just this constant drone of Putins mad, he blew up his own pipeline etc etc

Its a worry so many are unable to think for themselves. Thank C they lost in the election. I am quite sure blinkered democrats and msm consumers would start a nuclear wsr.

I'm pretty sure these low-information anti-Russian pro-war conduits don't do much in the way of reading.  They watch main-stream TV and parrot the sound bites of the Biden Administration and State Department saying "Unprovoked" over and over and over again. That repetitive sloganism is propaganda. The weakest minds grasp on and run with it.

One can understand what is going on by reading what comes out of the Council of Foreign Relations and think-tanks like RAND. 
Example:
"Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages."
- Overextending and Unbalancing Russia, Apr 2019,  RAND Research Brief
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

Unprovoked.  Check out the date. Apr 2019.  The US foreign policy agenda for close to 20 years has been the strategic overthrow and break-up of Russia.  Geo-political analysts know it.  Russia knows it.  It's not a secret.  And from 2014 onward Ukraine was a wedge to be used in the attempted break-up of Russia.

Other RAND ideas which were implemented using Ukraine as the US' proxy instead to NATO troops.  

 

And more.....

Those screaming "Unprovoked" and other anti-Russian tropes should try reading the RAND paper. And then think: If Russia planned these same measures against the US, how would the US react.  "Unprovoked?"  Get real. Think tanks like RAND are the basis on which of US foreign policy is developed and implemented.
However, I actually believe this paper may be beyond their reading level and attention span although it's marginally high school level reading at best.  Those screaming anti-Russian hatred the loudest aren't the sharpest tacks in the box. But they do make excellent useful idiots, i.e., tools.

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Nonsensical argument. So what led Putin to annex Georgia? The west did nothing so felt embolded. Waited for the rite conditions didn't he. He's hurt Europe with the energy crisis, and calculated no way they would back Ukraine. 

The US was weak from Iraq under Bush.

 

The US was in love with Russia during Obama’s first term, and Obama agreed to cancel missile defense for help with his reelection. 

 

Obama ignored Russia during his second term  when the took Crimea.

 

Trump sold arms to Ukraine and sanctioned  Russia. 

 

Biden stoped arms to Ukraine and cancelled sanctions on Russia. 

 

Biden surrendered Afghanistan, makinf the US look weak. 

 

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine. 

 

Now here we are, fighting to the last Ukrainian. 

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

with no international army boots on the ground,    it sends a message that you have to fend for yourself so you do that by bombing Moscow.   Then either Europe will get off their a_sre and help or they can become cannon fodder as well.   imo

Do you think Europe, that has had ten years to meet their NATO commitments and has not, is going to have time to do anything to respond to a Russian response to Moscow being bombed? 

[mogandave]

How many people here are going, or have a child that will be going to fight a ground war in  Russia? 

 

I think the UK and France have both indicated they would be willing to deploy security forces to Ukraine once an agreement is reached. 

 

The US has indicated it would heavily arm Ukraine, funded via US-Ukraine minerals agreements. 

 

 

[Lacessit]

21 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I still say blow Moscow of the face of the earth,  what has Ukraine got to lose, Russia has slaughtered kids, women and elderly,  that's enough evidence for me to destroy them ..... just do same as Truman did in August 1945,  wipe the bastards out ....   Ukraine is stuck between a rock and a hard place,  they have been thrown under a bus protecting Europe ......  bomb Moscow. imo 

Apparently you have not heard of Mutually Assured Destruction, with the appropriate acronym MAD

 

Truman did not have to think about Japan striking back.

 

IMO the EU needs to gear up to assist Ukraine, Trump is totally unreliable.

 

Richard Condon wrote a book called The Manchurian Candidate. Quite possible Trump is the Moscow Candidate.

 

Let the sanctions do the work of destroying the Russian economy.

[connda]

You don't even have to read the book. Read the bibliography and citations. "Unprovoked."  Uh-huh.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376

[DonniePeverley]

Is it just me or does anyone find it a bit strange we never really see images of the hell of the war ?

 

With most wars you see awful images, videos, the fighting .... with this one, other than the odd drone incident, i rarely see anything.

 

Maybe there is footage out there, but definately not mainstream. Where is the action videos ?

[uncletiger]

4 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

 

Listen, if being rational and accepting the facts is left - guilty as charged.

 

 

 

Let's see if you continue being "rational and accepting the facts" when the truth about pedophilia and Epstein start coming out shortly. Or if you "accept the facts" that Obama's birth certificate being fake wasn't just a conspiracy theory, and that he was a foreign operative.

The problem with the left is not their political opinions, but the reality that they refuse to acknowledge "facts" that don't fit their contrived narrative.

 

Yes, Zelensky is a puppet of the globalist cabal, and yes, Ukraine is responsible for the war. Russia was given no choice but to take the bait. The West started it in 2014 by fomenting a coup against the legitimate Ukrainian government, and then lied during the Minsk agreements to buy time to build up Ukraine militarily.  The issue isn't that there are no "facts", but merely that you refuse to accept the "facts", and prefer the convenient lies and propaganda being told to you by the legacy media.

 

But all that is about to end. The truth about who the Left/RINOs/Globalists truly are is about to be exposed.

 

Let's see over the coming year if you are truly ready to hear the facts, or if you just plug your ears and scream "Trump is lying" like you are now.

[mogandave]

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Apparently you have not heard of Mutually Assured Destruction, with the appropriate acronym MAD

Clearly 

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Truman did not have to think about Japan striking back.

Indeed 

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO the EU needs to gear up to assist Ukraine, Trump is totally unreliable.

Gear up? What, over the next ten years? 

 

Do you really think Europe is going to fight a ground war in Russia?

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Richard Condon wrote a book called The Manchurian Candidate. Quite possible Trump is the Moscow Candidate.

Of course 

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

Let the sanctions do the work of destroying the Russian economy.

Is China going to quit buying oil from Russia? 

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

Is it just me or does anyone find it a bit strange we never really see images of the hell of the war ?

 

With most wars you see awful images, videos, the fighting .... with this one, other than the odd drone incident, i rarely see anything.

 

Maybe there is footage out there, but definately not mainstream. Where is the action videos ?

That’s a good point. Only a tiny percentage of the population enjoys watching death and destruction. If the public saw row after row of boys in hospital beds on the news every day, support for the war would plummet.

 

Interesting the same press loves to show it in Gaza.

[rough diamond]

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Only a tiny percentage of the population enjoys watching death and destruction.

Then why the massive popularity of war and holocaust movies?