Settlement Visa For Unmarried G/f & British Passport For Baby?

[Mahout Angrit]

This maybe a stupid question but when we get married will they automaticaly give her my surname on certificate or will they put hers on if she decides to keep her surname?

if she decides to use her maiden name in thailand can she use my surname in uk? or does it have to be what it says on passport?

We woild have time to change passport to my surname but it all depends on her id card if she has to go home to do we will not have time, if she can do in Pattaya we will change to my surname, but she is going to amphur office on Monday to get birth certificate so she is going to ask theese questions...

yes that is a definate getting child a thai passport if we have the time , if not it will have to be done in Uk can it not be done in hull??

Dan

A marriage certificate has the names of the people who entered into the marriage only.

It would not be wise for your wife to have two different IDs as when she gets a UK passport it would need to match the name in the Thai passport as when she travels to and from Thailand she will swop passports in flight to ease entry into each country and the names should match the ticket at both ends. In fact your wife can use what name she chooses in UK(not governed by any law) but if asked to show ID she will only have her passport as proof so it should match for ease (otherwise she will have to show the link with the marriage certificate as mentioned earlier)

I'm sure she will have to change her ID card at the Amphur where it was issued and she is on a tabien baan.

Thai passports are only issued in London in UK and she must attend in person to be digitized for biometrics.

Edited August 11, 2007 by Mahout Angrit

[Mahout Angrit]

i probaly will apply for thai passport when submit application for british passport , so better start looking what document are needed to apply for thai passport....

Take these documents to one of these passport offices in Thailand

[dan060975]

This maybe a stupid question but when we get married will they automaticaly give her my surname on certificate or will they put hers on if she decides to keep her surname?

if she decides to use her maiden name in thailand can she use my surname in uk? or does it have to be what it says on passport?

We woild have time to change passport to my surname but it all depends on her id card if she has to go home to do we will not have time, if she can do in Pattaya we will change to my surname, but she is going to amphur office on Monday to get birth certificate so she is going to ask theese questions...

yes that is a definate getting child a thai passport if we have the time , if not it will have to be done in Uk can it not be done in hull??

Dan

A marriage certificate has the names of the people who entered into the marriage only.

It would not be wise for your wife to have two different IDs as when she gets a UK passport it would need to match the name in the Thai passport as when she travels to and from Thailand she will swop passports in flight to ease entry into each country and the names should match the ticket at both ends. In fact your wife can use what name she chooses in UK(not governed by any law) but if asked to show ID she will only have her passport as proof so it should match for ease (otherwise she will have to show the link with the marriage certificate as mentioned earlier)

I'm sure she will have to change her ID card at the Amphur where it was issued and she is on a tabien baan.

Thai passports are only issued in London in UK and she must attend in person to be digitized for biometrics.

Thanks for the superb advice i really appreciate it,

when you take id documents for thai passport do they keep hold of them & return when passport ready or do they just confirm they have seen them ?

The id card i think she will have to go to her home because her name would have to change in family book, so it looks like doing on next visit assuming visa granted & she will be in uk , but then the problem would be her visa stamp in passport with maiden name , her new pasport wouldn't have visa unless you just take to brit embasy & they would transfer over to ne passport but i can't see it being that simple..

thanks mate

Dan

[Mahout Angrit]

when you take id documents for thai passport do they keep hold of them & return when passport ready or do they just confirm they have seen them ?

The id card i think she will have to go to her home because her name would have to change in family book, so it looks like doing on next visit assuming visa granted & she will be in uk , but then the problem would be her visa stamp in passport with maiden name , her new pasport wouldn't have visa unless you just take to brit embasy & they would transfer over to ne passport but i can't see it being that simple..

The original documents will be perused, copied and returned to you on application for the Thai passport.

She can change her Thai passport on her next visit to Thailand if she wishes or just carry on using it as it'll be about 4 years before she will be able to apply for a British passport. If she does get a new passport in a new married name she will have to cary both old(cancelled) and new passports and the marriage certficate. The passport is cancelled but the visa is still valid. When she applies for ILR (after 2 years in UK ) she can get that stamped in her new passport (if she already has it at that time).

[nick020773]

hi,

about the timescale for flying my friend recently had a baby in thailand and found that most airlines would not accept a baby to travel under 3 months old ?

i would make further checks regarding this as i know he tried many airlines but ended up having to wait ??

good luck

nick

[iainiain101]

I have been through a similar process recently. A couple of things to remember:

Both parents have to be present for the Thai passport to be issued to the baby.

If the baby leaves Thailand on a British passport, then you must have the Thai Birth Certificate with you. (allow extra time at immigration)

For a British passport the photograph of the baby must be signed by a UK national of 'good charachter' (accountant, policeman etc.) to verify the true likeness, who has know you for a few years. - not the easiest thing to achieve!

We waited three months to fly, with me coming back to the UK and then returning to collect them. 3 months seems to be the general advice for no harm coming to young children flying.

Iain

[dan060975]

when you take id documents for thai passport do they keep hold of them & return when passport ready or do they just confirm they have seen them ?

The id card i think she will have to go to her home because her name would have to change in family book, so it looks like doing on next visit assuming visa granted & she will be in uk , but then the problem would be her visa stamp in passport with maiden name , her new pasport wouldn't have visa unless you just take to brit embasy & they would transfer over to ne passport but i can't see it being that simple..

The original documents will be perused, copied and returned to you on application for the Thai passport.

She can change her Thai passport on her next visit to Thailand if she wishes or just carry on using it as it'll be about 4 years before she will be able to apply for a British passport. If she does get a new passport in a new married name she will have to cary both old(cancelled) and new passports and the marriage certficate. The passport is cancelled but the visa is still valid. When she applies for ILR (after 2 years in UK ) she can get that stamped in her new passport (if she already has it at that time).

thanks for that mahout, great help

Dan

[dan060975]

hi,

about the timescale for flying my friend recently had a baby in thailand and found that most airlines would not accept a baby to travel under 3 months old ?

i would make further checks regarding this as i know he tried many airlines but ended up having to wait ??

good luck

nick

hi

hi that's something i never thought about , so i started searching & a infant can fly with some airlines from 7 days old so hopefully that won't be a problem....

cheers Dan

[dan060975]

I have been through a similar process recently. A couple of things to remember:

Both parents have to be present for the Thai passport to be issued to the baby.

If the baby leaves Thailand on a British passport, then you must have the Thai Birth Certificate with you. (allow extra time at immigration)

For a British passport the photograph of the baby must be signed by a UK national of 'good charachter' (accountant, policeman etc.) to verify the true likeness, who has know you for a few years. - not the easiest thing to achieve!

We waited three months to fly, with me coming back to the UK and then returning to collect them. 3 months seems to be the general advice for no harm coming to young children flying.

Iain

hi, i have been getting information from a lady in embassy, she did state that the passport photo would need to be signed by a freind or possibly a neighbour, she didn't state if to be british or thai, or that it needs to be a profesion such as doctor etc, have sent an email for her to confirm this , as have freind who will be in Thailand same time who I have known for over 5 years but he works in a glass plant as machine operator ....

Dan

[dan060975]

My fiancee has been to amphur office to get new birth certificate & as i thought she has to go to her home to get full birth certificate, but they can give her a gurantee of birth certificate in Pattaya

would a gurantee of birth be be enough??

does she need to have a birth certificate for, Marriage in Thailannd, settlement visa, baby's british passport or would her passport, id card, family book be ok ????

thanx Dan

[dan060975]

My fiancee has been to amphur office to get new birth certificate & as i thought she has to go to her home to get full birth certificate, but they can give her a gurantee of birth certificate in Pattaya

would a gurantee of birth be be enough??

does she need to have a birth certificate for, Marriage in Thailannd, settlement visa, baby's british passport or would her passport, id card, family book be ok ????

thanx Dan

[Mahout Angrit]

does she need to have a birth certificate for, Marriage in Thailannd, settlement visa, baby's british passport or would her passport, id card, family book be ok ???

She doesn't need her birth certificate to apply for a settlement visa or the babies passport. I wouldn't know if she needs it to marry in Thailand.

[geoffphuket]

No birth certificate is required to get married.

Here's the process to follow taken from the British Embassy Web Site:

http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/F...d=1068717516870

Guidance for British Nationals Wishing to Marry in Thailand

The British Embassy in Bangkok is not authorised to perform marriages.

Any marriage in Thailand must be performed according to Thai law and any detailed questions on the procedure should be addressed to the appropriate Thai authorities. Some guidance is provided on the website of the Royal Thai Embassy in London.

The Thai authorities require that any foreign national wishing to marry in Thailand obtain an “affirmation of freedom to marry”. This affirmation must be made in person at the Consular Section of the British Embassy in Bangkok. It is not possible to obtain the affirmation from the United Kingdom in advance.

The marriage will only be recognised under UK law if it is valid under Thai law. For it to be valid in Thai law, the marriage must be registered with the Registrar at an Amphur Office (District Office). A religious ceremony on its own is not recognised as being valid under Thai law.

The Thai marriage certificate will be in Thai only. You may wish to commission a “sworn translation” of the marriage certificate from a translation bureau, so that you can use the document for legal purposes in the U.K.

Consular Section can arrange for your marriage certificate to be deposited with the General Register Office (GRO) in the United Kingdom. This not a legal obligation and has no bearing on the validity or otherwise of the marriage. It simply means that you are able to obtain a certified copy of your marriage certificate directly from the GRO, should you need to do so in the future. Please ask us for further details if you wish do this.

A foreign national does not automatically acquire British nationality through marriage to a British national.

If you are marrying a Thai national, he or she will require a visa to visit or settle in the UK. Further information on how to apply for a visa can be obtained from the UK Visa Application Centre. They can be contacted directly on (+66) 2 800 5080 or by e-mail: [email protected]

Please note that we are not able to answer individual enquiries about the procedure to marry in Thailand.

This information is provided for general guidance only and has no legal authority.

1. Obtain the affirmation in person from the British Embassy in Bangkok.

* Please retype the affirmation including your details on one page in the same format as the attached sample and bring it in person to the Embassy to sign before a British Consular official.

We accept affirmations during normal working hours (0800-1100 and 1300-1530 Monday-Thursday and 0800-1200 on Fridays). It is not possible to make a prior appointment for this service. The completed affirmation will be ready for collection from the Embassy between from 09.00 hrs on the following working day. We are not able to arrange a “same day” service for the collection of completed affirmations.

* We charge Baht 3,600 per affirmation and we can provide this service to British nationals only.

* Please bring with you to the Embassy your passport, as proof of identity, and evidence that any previous marriages have been dissolved/terminated (death certificate or divorce certificate(s) as appropriate). Only the original evidence or a certified copy will be accepted - photocopies will not be accepted under any circumstances.

2. Have the affirmation translated into Thai.

* Once the affirmation has been signed, you will need to have it translated into Thai. Please note that Consular Section does not undertake the preparation or translation of documents. Many reputable translation companies advertise on the internet as well as in the Thai local press, and there are a number of companies within a short walk of the Embassy. The Embassy is unable to recommend any particular firms.

3. Have the affirmation authenticated and translation certified.

* All Thai Registrars will require authentication of the British Consular Official’s signature and certification of the Thai translation. This must be obtained from:

The Legalisation Division

Department of Consular Affairs

Ministry of Foreign Affairs (www.mfa.go.th)

123 Chaeng Wattana Road, Laksi District, Bangkok 10210

Tel : 0 2575 1056–59, 0 2981 7171 , Fax : 0 2575 1054

Email : [email protected]

(0830 – 1530 hrs)

A fee is payable. The service normally takes 2 working days, although it is possible to pay an express fee for a same day service.

4. Submit the document to the Registrar.

The affirmation and translation are then ready for submission to the registrar, who, if satisfied, will register the marriage and issue a Thai marriage certificate.

NB: The fees may alter without prior notice.

[dan060975]

No birth certificate is required to get married.

Here's the process to follow taken from the British Embassy Web Site:

http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/F...d=1068717516870

Guidance for British Nationals Wishing to Marry in Thailand

The British Embassy in Bangkok is not authorised to perform marriages.

Any marriage in Thailand must be performed according to Thai law and any detailed questions on the procedure should be addressed to the appropriate Thai authorities. Some guidance is provided on the website of the Royal Thai Embassy in London.

The Thai authorities require that any foreign national wishing to marry in Thailand obtain an “affirmation of freedom to marry”. This affirmation must be made in person at the Consular Section of the British Embassy in Bangkok. It is not possible to obtain the affirmation from the United Kingdom in advance.

The marriage will only be recognised under UK law if it is valid under Thai law. For it to be valid in Thai law, the marriage must be registered with the Registrar at an Amphur Office (District Office). A religious ceremony on its own is not recognised as being valid under Thai law.

The Thai marriage certificate will be in Thai only. You may wish to commission a “sworn translation” of the marriage certificate from a translation bureau, so that you can use the document for legal purposes in the U.K.

Consular Section can arrange for your marriage certificate to be deposited with the General Register Office (GRO) in the United Kingdom. This not a legal obligation and has no bearing on the validity or otherwise of the marriage. It simply means that you are able to obtain a certified copy of your marriage certificate directly from the GRO, should you need to do so in the future. Please ask us for further details if you wish do this.

A foreign national does not automatically acquire British nationality through marriage to a British national.

If you are marrying a Thai national, he or she will require a visa to visit or settle in the UK. Further information on how to apply for a visa can be obtained from the UK Visa Application Centre. They can be contacted directly on (+66) 2 800 5080 or by e-mail: [email protected]

Please note that we are not able to answer individual enquiries about the procedure to marry in Thailand.

This information is provided for general guidance only and has no legal authority.

1. Obtain the affirmation in person from the British Embassy in Bangkok.

* Please retype the affirmation including your details on one page in the same format as the attached sample and bring it in person to the Embassy to sign before a British Consular official.

We accept affirmations during normal working hours (0800-1100 and 1300-1530 Monday-Thursday and 0800-1200 on Fridays). It is not possible to make a prior appointment for this service. The completed affirmation will be ready for collection from the Embassy between from 09.00 hrs on the following working day. We are not able to arrange a “same day” service for the collection of completed affirmations.

* We charge Baht 3,600 per affirmation and we can provide this service to British nationals only.

* Please bring with you to the Embassy your passport, as proof of identity, and evidence that any previous marriages have been dissolved/terminated (death certificate or divorce certificate(s) as appropriate). Only the original evidence or a certified copy will be accepted - photocopies will not be accepted under any circumstances.

2. Have the affirmation translated into Thai.

* Once the affirmation has been signed, you will need to have it translated into Thai. Please note that Consular Section does not undertake the preparation or translation of documents. Many reputable translation companies advertise on the internet as well as in the Thai local press, and there are a number of companies within a short walk of the Embassy. The Embassy is unable to recommend any particular firms.

3. Have the affirmation authenticated and translation certified.

* All Thai Registrars will require authentication of the British Consular Official’s signature and certification of the Thai translation. This must be obtained from:

The Legalisation Division

Department of Consular Affairs

Ministry of Foreign Affairs (www.mfa.go.th)

123 Chaeng Wattana Road, Laksi District, Bangkok 10210

Tel : 0 2575 1056–59, 0 2981 7171 , Fax : 0 2575 1054

Email : [email protected]

(0830 – 1530 hrs)

A fee is payable. The service normally takes 2 working days, although it is possible to pay an express fee for a same day service.

4. Submit the document to the Registrar.

The affirmation and translation are then ready for submission to the registrar, who, if satisfied, will register the marriage and issue a Thai marriage certificate.

NB: The fees may alter without prior notice.

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email of 14/08/07.

If you wish to apply for a Settement-spouse visa, here is the document checklist, as a guidance for how to prepare your document.

For the Birth Certificate that is not on the document checklist, it is up to you to decide whether to submit it in or not.

Document checklists for Settlement-Spouse/Civil Partner Visa.

-Valid passport with blank double-sided page to insert visa

-Fully completed and signed visa application form (VAF2)

-2 passport sized photo of the applicant on a white background

-Evidence of spouse/ CP Immigration status in UK- copy of their passport.

-The original marriage certificate or a certified copy from the issuing authority

-If previously married to someone else, the original divorce cert. or death cert. Or a certified copy from the issuing authority

-(divorce cert. Must be decree absolute)

-Letter from employers, last six months payslips & last P60 from sponsor

-Sponsor Bank statements/ savings book covering the last six months

-Tenancy agreement for the sponsor’s accommodation (if rented) with permission from landlord for applicant to live there. If accommodation is owned by the sponsor the copy of land registration deed.

-Utility bills & last council tax bill

-Evidence of contact between the couple since relationship began (photographs, letters & cards, itemised phone bills)

-Copy of sponsors passport showing travel / visits to Thailand

-Funds/ Bank transfers slips

-Benefits Check consent form signed by sponsor

-TB Test Certificate issued by IOM

-Previous passport or a copy

-Any other document in support of your application

For information on how to submit an application including the documents required and visa fees or for tracking your application or any visa related enquiries please visit our website, www.vfs-uk-th.com

You can also find further information regarding visit entry requirements on the website www.ukvisas.gov.uk

Best Regards,

Helpdesk – UK Visa Application Centre

2nd Floor, Regent House

183 Rajdamri Road

Lumpini

Pathumwan

Bangkok 10330

Telephone: +662 800 8050

E-mail: [email protected]

thankyou for that geoff, looks like we are going to be ok without birth certificate as just had checklist sent by uk visa for settlement visa which there is nothing about birth certificate the checklist is as follows

Dan

[dan060975]

i probaly will apply for thai passport when submit application for british passport , so better start looking what document are needed to apply for thai passport....

Take these documents to one of these passport offices in Thailand

Would i need house registraition family book ??? because would need to go to her chichanok's home to have baby added then return to passport office, is this right? my partner has one of the family books with her now but can she add baby to book at amphur office, if not needed no problem on website it states if aplicable

thanx