This is Leadership: Zelenskyy offers to step down in exchange for peace and Nato membership

[AndreasHG]

 

This is leadership!

 

 

 

[DaLa]

Well we know he is being supported by Europe and the US to date, but what happens if Ukraine join NATO and there's further conflict.

[sharot724]

Former Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said Ukraine could join "in the long term" but not until after the war ended.

No. It is against NATO Charter to grant Nato membership to countries involved in conflict.

 

All I can find is no

[thaibeachlovers]

What a joke. He knows Ukraine isn't going to be allowed to join NATO, so he isn't going anywhere.

After all, he is a comedian pretending to be a president.

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After all, he is a comedian pretending to be a president.

Same as Trump is an ex TV showman masquerading as a president.

[Jeff the Chef]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:27 PM, DaLa said:

Well we know he is being supported by Europe and the US to date, but what happens if Ukraine join NATO and there's further conflict.

 

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WW11, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, rough diamond said:

Same as Trump is an ex TV showman masquerading as a president.

Trump must own you! Topic isn't about Trump but you felt compelled to say something about him.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WW11, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

Sure sure. That's why Churchill agreed to give all those countries to Stalin, wasn't it!

 

Take on the Soviets, armed to the teeth with American weapons delivered by the R N, and having conquered Europe past Berlin, what could possibly go wrong with that little scheme?

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WWII, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

 

Fixed it for you. Thankfully we haven't got to WW3 yet, never mind 11

[theblether]

Wild and pathetic offer. NATO is a life or death institution. Not a toy for vain politicians. 

 

The idea that Zelensky's resignation would encourage NATO into a potential ARTICLE 5 trap calls into question his judgement and sanity. 

 

Truly absurd. 

[frank83628]

Its not leadership, he knows he will lose when elections are held because his popularity ratng is pure usiad funded propaganda.

His own neo Nazis or CIA will take him out soon, now he is of no use

[frank83628]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:19 PM, AndreasHG said:

 

This is leadership!

 

 

 

Are all those usiad funded news channels?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

Isn't that what they tried to do in Afghanistan for 20 years, and look how that turned out?

 

As seen in Ukraine, countries invaded by the enemy ( NATO in your case ) don't tend to welcome them with open arms.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Its not leadership, he knows he will lose when elections are held because his popularity ratng is pure usiad funded propaganda.

His own neo Nazis or CIA will take him out soon, now he is of no use

I'm sure he doesn't want to end up like Mussolini, or that Eastern Euro guy, and has a sub loaded with his loot waiting in Odessa to take him to Argentina.

[Jeff the Chef]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Isn't that what they tried to do in Afghanistan for 20 years, and look how that turned out?

 

Not anything like the end of WW2.

The Afghans have never been converted to any ideology, except their own since the British Empire tried it, IMHO best left alone, completely different culture.

 

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As seen in Ukraine, countries invaded by the enemy ( NATO in your case ) don't tend to welcome them with open arms.

 

I believe Ukraine voted by a large majority for western style democracy, not the Russian style, so why would they not welcome help to achieve that and not go backwards to Russia.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Not anything like the end of WW2.

The Afghans have never been converted to any ideology, except their own since the British Empire tried it, IMHO best left alone, completely different culture.

 

 

I believe Ukraine voted by a large majority for western style democracy, not the Russian style, so why would they not welcome help to achieve that and not go backwards to Russia.

I responded to your post saying "NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections" and you replied with something that has nothing to do with giving Russians democracy.

 

BTW, the Russians have a different culture from western nations.