11 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:

https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/02/the-eus-hate-speech-laws-are-an-attack-on-free-speech-itself-this-years-european-elections-may-be-the-last-chance-to-defend-our-rights/

 

Started off middling but quickly showed their true colours when they mentioned 'the woke agenda' and 'snowflakes' in the same paragraph. 

39 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Evil is killing people. You lefties make very bizarre remarks.

That’s only one definition of evil and even then subject to a number of obvious caveats.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Peace deal. No war. 

Which isn’t what Trump is offering.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

USSR helped save Europe in ww2. Ukrainians helped the Nazis.

https://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/insights/soviet-role-world-war-ii-realities-and-myths

 

"The war in Europe began on 23 August 1939, when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a pact that created a partnership between them in dividing up Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Under the terms of this pact, the German Wehrmacht moved into western Poland on 1 September 1939, and the Soviet Red Army moved en masse into eastern Poland sixteen days later.  Great Britain, which had signed a bilateral defense treaty with Poland earlier that year, declared war against Germany as required by a secret protocol to the treaty. However, the protocol, as we now know, applied only to defense against Germany, not against any other country. Similarly, France, which also had signed a bilateral defense treaty with Poland that expressly applied only to Germany, declared war against Germany hours after Britain did. But neither the British nor the French government declared war against Russia."

Just now, bunnydrops said:

https://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/insights/soviet-role-world-war-ii-realities-and-myths

 

"The war in Europe began on 23 August 1939, when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a pact that created a partnership between them in dividing up Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Under the terms of this pact, the German Wehrmacht moved into western Poland on 1 September 1939, and the Soviet Red Army moved en masse into eastern Poland sixteen days later.  Great Britain, which had signed a bilateral defense treaty with Poland earlier that year, declared war against Germany as required by a secret protocol to the treaty. However, the protocol, as we now know, applied only to defense against Germany, not against any other country. Similarly, France, which also had signed a bilateral defense treaty with Poland that expressly applied only to Germany, declared war against Germany hours after Britain did. But neither the British nor the French government declared war against Russia."

Yes and ended in 1945. 

 

 

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Zelensky told them the truth, the West did nothing since 2014 as Putin has broken agreement after agreement. He can't be trusted.

That riled the running dogs of American imperialism who barked accordingly.

 

Plus neither Vance or Trump's egos could handle being told they are mistaken with Russia's compliance. It must have been very challenging for Zelensky to sit down with two men who repeatedly insult, lie and misinform e.g. trump again lied about the US giving $350 billion in aid to Ukraine and insisting Zelensky grovel - thank you, thank you thank you - appalling. Nations act according to their self interest requirement - defence of Europe - not for thanks...

9 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Peace deal. No war. 

With Putin? have another smoke 🤔

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes and ended in 1945. 

 

 

I was only making a point the "Russia saved Europe" only because Russia and Germany had a falling out.

2 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

With Putin? have another smoke 🤔

 

So fight 2 more years then? The left has no plan.

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Stupid question. There are degrees of freedom of speech. In Russia there's a lot less than there is in the EU. Public criticism of the Russian government is taboo.

I think it means  being carted off to a Gulag !

I wonder how long before Trump sends troops to back up Putin in his invasion.

3 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

A deal will be done. The American President wants his money, wants his rare earths (or raw earths what he called it). He won't get it off Putin. Putin is a bit thick when he started approaching the US offering mining rights (allegedly); The Americans aren't offering cash.  If a deal with the US isn't done, then Ukraine may fall, Russia gets all the rare earths (etc), probably a ruined country, but, as the American President says, they will hold all the cards. But, why wouldn't Zelensky be on the phone now to Xi, get the Chinese in, offer them a sweet mining deal  probably far more influence on the Russians, who are nervously watching a Chinese army massing near disputed borders.. They might even offer to build the rail line to ship the ore out.

 

If Ukraine falls, Taiwan has 3 years left. America, as it is, won't defend it.

 

The whole thing was engineered. If we are talking about respect then what about the journalist who made the disrespectful comment about Zelensky's attire, which lead to a cheap suit jibe from Zelensky. That journalist? Brian Glenn, working for "Royal America'sVoice ", and currently shagging Marjorie Taylor Greene, the transexual-lookinmg Congresswoman (well, looks like a bloke in a frock). Set the scene.

 

The  Chinese have no need of more raw erfs -  they have heaps - literally.

3 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Nope. No one is tossed in jail for a 'mean tweet'. 

 

Usually those who end up going to jail for these headline sentences, have a litinay of previous offenses which go into the course of any sentencing, but that's never mentioned. 

 

You are more than open to talk about immigration, pros and negatives, you can protest to your hearts content on the streets, you can critisize your government without fear of being locked up. What you cannot do is abuse someone because of their colour of their skin and use that, or their sexuality, anti semitism, etc to cause hate - that is the illegal matter. 

 

Now again, tell me where the free speech is in America (when you can literally sue someone for saying something about you). And lets see the free speech in China, Russia, India, etc  

 

 

 

I have nice coffee this morning - you should try some - or at least wake up and smell it.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

On top of that he put Tulsi Gabbard a known Putin boot licker to head the U.S. intelligence agency. Allies (correction -- FORMER allies) will not be sharing key intelligence with the U.S. anymore with the rational fear that it will be leaked to the Kremlin.

Very scary times indeed.

 

It is incredible how ill-informed you are. 

3 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

The USA will want to be main players. If they walk away, then in the short term Europe can cobble together and arm Ukraine for a few more years. 

 

If Ukraine are buying arms from France and UK, that would put America out too. 

 

Would be the mother of all twists if China steps in to create peace. That would end American dominance. 

 

Do have some coffee.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

The  Chinese have no need of more raw erfs -  they have heaps - literally.

So?

3 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Enough now. You've cluttered this topic up with person insults and repeating the same line over and over. 

 

Pot calling on line 2.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

And you are the guy who raises irrelevant issues. I won't issue you an order to leave since unlike you I don't imagine I have the authority to do so 

 

 

Pot  calling...line 3.

7 minutes ago, gargamon said:

I wonder how long before Trump sends troops to back up Putin in his invasion.

What planet are you on?

 

 

"Zelensky - what possessed you?"

 

He knows that Trump intends to carve up Ukraine for his mate Putin. The rump state which will be left will be run by someone put in place by Putin, as the necessary precursor to his next moves, on the three Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

 

Knowing that he was not prepared to be browbeaten by Trump or his sidekick, Vance, in what was obviously a planned and rehearsed ambush.

Zelenski has made it clear he does not want anything from the Trump Administration as has Germany. Let Ukraine continue the war with aid from Germany. 

1 minute ago, JAG said:

"Zelensky - what possessed you?"

 

He knows that Trump intends to carve up Ukraine for his mate Putin. The rump state which will be left will be run by someone put in place by Putin, as the necessary precursor to his next moves, on the three Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

 

Knowing that he was not prepared to be browbeaten by Trump or his sidekick, Vance, in what was obviously a planned and rehearsed ambush.

Ukraine was carved up long ago while Putin's mate Obama was in office. 

 

Obama sold out Ukraine for a bit of space until after his last election. 

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Just saw the footage of the meeting in the Oval Office.

 

My God, Zelensky is an utter, arrogant fool. You do NOT go into another country and disrespect their leader like that. Trying to argue in front of the media is a great way to make your country cease to be.  Not to mention always showing up in a t-shirt like he is some kind of warrior who is just "too busy" to dress appropriately.  You are meeting the President of the United States, and begging for his help.  Show a little class.

 

I guess he is used to being feted and celebrated by the squishy pols who inhabit Europe. But when he visits America's House, he needs to step small.

 

It was bloody awful. That discussion would be better had off-media. The room was full of press and who else? I'm not sure. Trump should have set this up differently but Pres. Z should be a bit smarter if he wants significant help from the USA because that's the only way he will end up with any kind of beneficial result.

 

Previous invasions of this scale in Europe have usually required major wars to determine the outcome but I can't see the US (or EU) being willing to go that far. I hope that they can all at least talk about it again after this mess - the alternative is complete disaster.

 

Trump and make up man showed their true colours today. Both scumbags of the highest order. Would not expect any better of the orange grifter as it has the brain of an ant ,but make up man  i thought may have  been more knowledagable and calmer.

2 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

Trump and make up man showed their true colours today. Both scumbags of the highest order. Would not expect any better of the orange grifter as it has the brain of an ant ,but make up man  i thought may have  been more knowledagable and calmer.

You sound really smart. You must be a high IQ critically thinking leftist schoolteacher, yes? 

12 minutes ago, JAG said:

"Zelensky - what possessed you?"

 

He knows that Trump intends to carve up Ukraine for his mate Putin. The rump state which will be left will be run by someone put in place by Putin, as the necessary precursor to his next moves, on the three Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

 

Knowing that he was not prepared to be browbeaten by Trump or his sidekick, Vance, in what was obviously a planned and rehearsed ambush.

We will carve it up for us, we got suckered for 350 billion dollars. Putin cant beat a real army and he better not screw around with our bulldozers.

 

Meanwhile, You folks better get a real army  fast. Or some energy development

 

FAFO. The stealing is over!!!!!!!

7 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Came to Europe lecturing about free speech, when his own boss has sued plenty of people for saying things about him, eg Bill Maher (go read up on it) - where was the free speech then ? 

You mean the suit that Trump withdrew?   There's a big difference between free speech and slander, even so.

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You sound really smart. You must be a high IQ critically thinking leftist schoolteacher, yes? 

Your inferiority complex is showing.

 

Did you make it out of primary school? Your insults are at that level.

3 hours ago, mania said:

Perhaps you should look

NATO has missiles stationed in Poland, Romania, Spain, and Turkey. The missiles are part of NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system, which is designed to protect NATO's forces, territory, and populations from ballistic missiles

 

Even now the deal most likely to be put forth is Russia returns lands captured &  leaves if Ukraine does not join NATO

 

That aside quote from John Quincy Adams was 100% right & applicable here

 

Not likely but probably the best case possible.

 

The BMD system is designed for defence, only.