Ukraine is not a Country

[Harrisfan]

 

 history of the Ukrainian people is complex and spans thousands of years. It includes various groups that have settled in the region now known as Ukraine. Around 700 BC, the Scythians, a semi-nomadic Iranic people from the Eurasian region known as Scythia, settled on the Ukrainian steppes.56 In the 3rd century AD, the Goths, a Germanic people originally from Scandinavia, began migrating towards Eastern Europe and settled in the area of modern Ukraine.5 The Goths were later displaced by the Huns around AD 370.5

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

a yes or no would be acceptable

Sorry bro I'm not going to play your Jew hating game, go get your buddies to hate Israel in some other topic

[SpaceKadet]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Kingdoms controlled by others.

Autonomous powerful kingdoms for several hundred years, according to historians. But wait, your country is only 250 years old and you stole it from the natives, so what would you know about autonomous kingdom lasting hundred year years? Republic, non democratic constructs no not count in history.

[SpaceKadet]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I didn't read the article

You mean, you didn't do any research before starting the topic with this title? 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, SpaceKadet said:

Autonomous powerful kingdoms for several hundred years, according to historians. But wait, your country is only 250 years old and you stole it from the natives, so what would you know about autonomous kingdom lasting hundred year years? Republic, non democratic constructs no not count in history.

Conquered group.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sorry bro I'm not going to play your Jew hating game, go get your buddies to hate Israel in some other topic

follow the link from @billd766 and update yourself before posting misleading troll posts which is a very common behavioral attitude by you and some of your followers

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine is the official full,Ukraine during 1941–1944).

[GroveHillWanderer]

Generally speaking, a country exists when it is recognised as a country by others. Ukraine is currently recognised by, and has diplomatic relations with 182 of the 193 member countries of the United Nations. 

 

For me, that's a big enough consensus to say that Ukraine is indeed, a country.

 

Notable exceptions (that don't recognise Ukraine) are Russia, North Korea and Syria.

 

So if anyone wants to side with them then fine, that's your prerogative. I'll stick with the overwhelming majority of the world's countries that do believe Ukraine is a country.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

You mean, you didn't do any research before starting the topic with this title? 

that's his usual way of trolling but somehow is getting away with it, never posted a link, never does research, just pots bs after bs without any back up

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

follow the link from @billd766 and update yourself before posting misleading troll posts which is a very common behavioral attitude by you and some of your followers

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine is the official full,Ukraine during 1941–1944).

Slavs same as Russia. Same people. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

that's his usual way of trolling but somehow is getting away with it, never posted a link, never does research, just pots bs after bs without any back up

Link in OP

Your link is Wiki 

[SpaceKadet]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

that's his usual way of trolling but somehow is getting away with it, never posted a link, never does research, just pots bs after bs without any back up

If I would do your research for you, I would have to charge you my consultant fees, which I'm sure you would be able to afford. 

Do your own DuckDuckGo....

[Mavideol]

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sorry bro I'm not going to play your Jew hating game, go get your buddies to hate Israel in some other topic

did you ever heard about Sephardic Jews, nah I don't think so, you must be some eastern europe ashkenazi, pitty on you, are you part of some segregation & discrimination group

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

If I would do your research for you, I would have to charge you my consultant fees, which I'm sure you would be able to afford. 

Do your own DuckDuckGo....

i didn't ask you to do anything, you must have misunderstood my post,  I was following your quote about the other guy that never provides links or back up information for his misleading posts, I do my own research

 

 

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I didn't read the article

You mean, you didn't do any research before starting the topic with this title? 

 

 

[SpaceKadet]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Ukrainians have a different language and alphabet to Russia.

 

Anyone who Googles the Holodomor knows how tragic Ukraine's history is. It's the reason Ukrainians hate Russians. It was genocide, and the Russian apologists on here are beyond disgusting.

 

Both countries are Slavic. On that twisted logic, Slovakians should all be speaking Russian.

 

 

Pure BS, Ukrainians use Cyrillic alphabet as does Russia and some other countries. The language, although different, is similar to Russian, just like Polish and Czech are similar, or the Scandinavian languages. And no, Russians are not Slovaks, just a bunch of Tartars and Mongols.

[SpaceKadet]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

i didn't ask you to do anything, you must have misunderstood my post,  I was following your quote about the other guy that never provides links or back up information for his misleading posts, I do my own research

 

 

You mean, you didn't do any research before starting the topic with this title? 

 

 

Apologies for misunderstanding. 

[Mavideol]

Just now, SpaceKadet said:

Apologies for misunderstanding. 

no need to apologize, we all overlook sometimes, have a good evening

[SpaceKadet]

To counteract the topic:

Is United States of America a country? It did not exist 250 years ago, it has no world history, and it was just created (just like Kuwait and Israel) by colonial powers raping and stealing the native lands.

[zmisha]

I strongly agree that Ukraine is not a country. It should be called Soviet Republic of Ukraine Separatists that needs a strong tsar to restore order. Glad to see that the Z-ideas are discussed here.

[Lacessit]

29 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Pure BS, Ukrainians use Cyrillic alphabet as does Russia and some other countries. The language, although different, is similar to Russian, just like Polish and Czech are similar, or the Scandinavian languages. And no, Russians are not Slovaks, just a bunch of Tartars and Mongols.

While both Ukrainian and Russian use the Cyrillic alphabet, they are not identical. Here's a breakdown of the key differences:

 

Distinct Letters:

• Ukrainian has letters that Russian lacks: Ґ ґ, Є є, І і, and Ї ї.
• Russian has letters that Ukrainian lacks: Ё ё, Ъ ъ, Ы ы, and Э э.

Therefore, although they share many common Cyrillic letters, the Ukrainian and Russian alphabets have notable differences.

 

Welcome to my ignore list, for your ignorance and lack of manners.

 

[Mike_Hunt]

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history.

 

Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent

 

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

And Russia is only a gas station run by the mob. 

[zmisha]

1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said:

And Russia is only a gas station run by the mob. 

...  with scary strategic nuclear weapons - you forget to mention. 

[Celsius]

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history.

 

Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent

 

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

 

Why can't lefties and righties simply admit when their respective prez is an idiot on the subject?

 

If Ukraine is not a country, then 20% of the world map needs rearranging including my ex country of Yugoslavia where NATO got involved with their filthy hands.

 

it's a known fact that Pattaya bargirls have more knowledge about geography and history than the average yank, lol

[Kinok Farang]

6 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Ukraine was part of Poland for several centuries, particularly during the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth period. After the Union of Lublin in 1569, which united the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Ukrainian lands transitioned under Polish administration, becoming part of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.46

During the 14th century, parts of western Ukraine, such as Galicia, were annexed by Poland, while other regions were under the rule of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. By the mid-15th century, the greater part of the Ukrainian territories was detached from Lithuania and annexed directly to Poland

Wikipedia?

[MicroB]

6 hours ago, bubblegum said:

And New York was New Amsterdam. Jeez by your logic the USA is not a country, just a self ruling part of Norway (Vikings) 

 

 

The United States was just those 13 colonies. So California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida and all the bits in between were never American? The Declaration of Independance was just an in-joke, joshing with King George. GThey didn't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Cardano]

6 hours ago, bubblegum said:

And New York was New Amsterdam. Jeez by your logic the USA is not a country, just a self ruling part of Norway (Vikings) 

Actually the USA is a nation of states under a single flag and their is no clear agreement that it is a soverign country.

[SpaceKadet]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

While both Ukrainian and Russian use the Cyrillic alphabet, they are not identical. Here's a breakdown of the key differences:

 

Distinct Letters:

• Ukrainian has letters that Russian lacks: Ґ ґ, Є є, І і, and Ї ї.
• Russian has letters that Ukrainian lacks: Ё ё, Ъ ъ, Ы ы, and Э э.

Therefore, although they share many common Cyrillic letters, the Ukrainian and Russian alphabets have notable differences.

 

Welcome to my ignore list, for your ignorance and lack of manners.

 

Glad to be of service! 

 

But then, by the same token, Polish, German, French, the Scandinavian and many other languages that use what we call Latin alphabet, have some of their own letters added, to express local diphthongs and specific pronunciations... but you wouldn't know anything about that now, would you? 

 

And, yes, I can read Cyrillic, but speak very basic Russian (mostly swear words). But listening to Ukrainian, I can hear that they share many of the same words.

[transam]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Start your own topic, don't gaslight mine.

You are out of your league...............😉

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that's his usual way of trolling but somehow is getting away with it, never posted a link, never does research, just pots bs after bs without any back up

And those are just some of the reasons he is on my ignore list.

[Harrisfan]

3 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Pure BS, Ukrainians use Cyrillic alphabet as does Russia and some other countries. The language, although different, is similar to Russian, just like Polish and Czech are similar, or the Scandinavian languages. And no, Russians are not Slovaks, just a bunch of Tartars and Mongols.

Russians are indeed Slavs. They belong to the East Slavic group, which also includes Belarusians and Ukrainians. The Slavic languages, including Russian, are part of the Balto-Slavic branch of the Indo-European language family.14

The genetic studies confirm that Slavic speakers like Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have similar genetic components.1 However, there are some differences in genetic makeup due to historical migrations and interactions with other ethnic groups. For instance, some samples of Novosibirsk residents and Old Believers in Siberia have 5-10% Central Siberian ancestry despite being genetically close to European Slavs.1

It's important to note that while Russians are Slavs, they have a distinct identity and history separate from other Slavic groups. Some Ukrainians, for example, have discourses that emphasize their distinctiveness from Russians, viewing the Russian language as a mixture of Finno-Ugric and Tatar languages with a small Slavic admixture.3 However, this perspective is not shared by all Ukrainians, and the relationship between Ukrainians and Russians remains complex.

[SpaceKadet]

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Russians are indeed Slavs. They belong to the East Slavic group, which also includes Belarusians and Ukrainians. The Slavic languages, including Russian, are part of the Balto-Slavic branch of the Indo-European language family.14

The genetic studies confirm that Slavic speakers like Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have similar genetic components.1 However, there are some differences in genetic makeup due to historical migrations and interactions with other ethnic groups. For instance, some samples of Novosibirsk residents and Old Believers in Siberia have 5-10% Central Siberian ancestry despite being genetically close to European Slavs.1

It's important to note that while Russians are Slavs, they have a distinct identity and history separate from other Slavic groups. Some Ukrainians, for example, have discourses that emphasize their distinctiveness from Russians, viewing the Russian language as a mixture of Finno-Ugric and Tatar languages with a small Slavic admixture.3 However, this perspective is not shared by all Ukrainians, and the relationship between Ukrainians and Russians remains complex.

Good research. Thanks you for enlightening us all....