Russia Rejects Trump's Temporary Ukraine Ceasefire Offer

[frank83628]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

I might have guessed you wouldn't see the jest...............🙄

I got it, seems you missed mine.  However, its not surprising, you are not the sharpest

[transam]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I got it, seems you missed mine.  However, its not surprising, you are not the sharpest

That is all you've got, put downs because you frequently get buried, I do feel sorry for you though, must be difficult being controlled.....😢

[jas007]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Like Ukraine, you mean...............🤣

If Ukraine doesn't stop screwing around, that's exactly what I mean.  At this juncture, the possibility remains of some part of Ukraine remaining as a nation state and as a buffer from NATO or any UN forces wearing some other costume. That means Russia will have none of it.  No NATO, and no EU boots on the ground. A neutral security buffer for Russia by which it can protect its strategic assets in Russia and what has now become Russia.  For Russia, it's an existential issue and it's non-negotiable.  

[transam]

Just now, jas007 said:

If Ukraine doesn't stop screwing around, that's exactly what I mean.  At this juncture, the possibility remains of some part of Ukraine remaining as a nation state and as a buffer from NATO or any UN forces wearing some other costume. That means Russia will have none of it.  No NATO, and no EU boots on the ground. A neutral security buffer for Russia by which it can protect its strategic assets in Russia and what has now become Russia.  For Russia, it's an existential issue and it's non-negotiable.  

Ukraine hasn't been screwing around, it has been invaded by a tyrant for land grab....🙄

 

It is sad that you ARE a supporter of this chap, a guy that cannot shake off his Commy background.

 

Will even murder for it. You should be ashamed of yourself........

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Ukraine hasn't been screwing around, it has been invaded by a tyrant for land grab....🙄

 

It is sad that you ARE a supporter of this chap, a guy that cannot shake off his Commy background.

 

Will even murder for it. You should be ashamed of yourself........

You make the mistake of thinking Russia started this war. Or maybe, you've been brainwashed.  That would be typical.  Propaganda works.

 

I won't waste time giving everyone a history lesson.  But those who know, know. 

[SiSePuede419]

13 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You make the mistake of thinking Russia started this war. Or maybe, you've been brainwashed.  That would be typical.  Propaganda works.

Looking in the mirror, much? 😄

 

The claim that Ukraine started the Russian invasion is Russian propaganda.

 

The reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and escalated the war with a full-scale invasion in 2022.

 

Yeah, Ukraine started the war just like a battered housewive provokes her husband to beat the sh*t out of her...

 

She made him hit her!

 

Ukrainians forced Russia to invade and murder and rape their women!

 

It's Ukraine's fault!

 

Settle down wife beaters and wipe that blood off your knuckles. 😲

[sharot724]

22 minutes ago, jas007 said:

If Ukraine doesn't stop screwing around, that's exactly what I mean.  At this juncture, the possibility remains of some part of Ukraine remaining as a nation state and as a buffer from NATO or any UN forces wearing some other costume. That means Russia will have none of it.  No NATO, and no EU boots on the ground. A neutral security buffer for Russia by which it can protect its strategic assets in Russia and what has now become Russia.  For Russia, it's an existential issue and it's non-negotiable.  

 

Russian people showing cracks as only half of the can answer for Putin. Soon enough will help the regime change. Time will tell Vlad

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Looking in the mirror, much? 😄

 

The claim that Ukraine started the Russian invasion is Russian propaganda.

 

The reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and escalated the war with a full-scale invasion in 2022.

 

Yeah, Ukraine started the war just like a battered housewive provokes her husband to beat the sh*t out of her...

 

She made him hit her!

 

Ukrainians forced Russia to invade and murder and rape their women!

 

It's Ukraine's fault!

 

Settle down wife beaters and wipe that blood off your knuckles. 😲

Yeah, Obama and Biden sure loved to appease Putin. 

[SiSePuede419]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, Obama and Biden sure loved to appease Putin. 

You changed the subject to another lie because the facts make you look gullible. Gish Gallop. 😄

[Yellowtail]

45 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

You changed the subject to another lie because the facts make you look gullible. Gish Gallop. 😄

I'm gullible, got it. 

 

Obama and Biden did love them some Putin.

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

Trump-haters would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 

[SpaceKadet]

So all this political Russian wrangling just proves that Russia is Sh*t scared of NATO and EU!!! No more Russian bear, not even a whisper of the N word anymore. They are not scared of Americans as they know well the Americans are all woosies. They will all Sh*t themselves and run for cover if it hits the fan....

[Johnlkuk]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm gullible, got it. 

 

Obama and Biden did love them some Putin.

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

Trump-haters would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 

 

Pretty sure this has been posted already. 

 

And also pretty sure the pro Putin crowd and pro Trumpers work as a tag team. 

One after the other, never ending with their rhetoric. 

 

They tell us not to believe the MSM, well they are the MSM on this forum, so I for one will choose not to believe, or care what they think. 

 

Russia - bad, Ukraine - good, Trump..... the word demented springs to mind. 

No amount of nonsense posting will alter my view. 

 

Don't waste your breath anymore, nobody in their right mind is listening. 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

33 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Obama and Biden did love them some Putin.

Why is everything you say a lie?

 

You're like the little boy who thinks if they write a whole bunch of nonsense on the test the teacher will give them brownie points for effort. 😄

 

Did you forget Trump was President from 2017-2021?

 

WHAT DID TRUMP DO?

 

BE SPECIFIC 

 

You got NOTHING. 😂

 

No, Obama and Biden did not "love" Putin, despite what some Republicans claim. In fact, both took strong stances against Russia during their time in office.

 

Obama Administration:

Imposed sanctions on Russia after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Expelled Russian diplomats and sanctioned Russian entities for election interference in 2016.

Increased NATO presence in Eastern Europe to deter Russian aggression.

 

 

Biden Administration:

Continued and expanded sanctions on Russia.

Provided military aid to Ukraine in response to Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022.

Strengthened alliances with NATO and other partners to counter Russian influence.

 

While there were diplomatic attempts to work with Russia (as with any world leader), their policies were largely adversarial, not friendly.

 

Republican claims about Obama and Biden "loving" Putin are often political rhetoric rather than fact-based assessments.

 

In other words, 🐂💩

 

[SiSePuede419]

Trump himself frequently downplayed Russian election interference, praised Putin, and even suggested believing Putin over U.S. intelligence agencies at times—such as during their 2018 Helsinki summit.

 

KGB Employee of the Year. 🏆

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Why is everything you say a lie?

 

You're like the little boy who thinks if they write a whole bunch of nonsense on the test the teacher will give them brownie points for effort. 😄

 

Did you forget Trump was President from 2017-2021?

 

WHAT DID TRUMP DO?

 

BE SPECIFIC 

 

You got NOTHING. 😂

 

No, Obama and Biden did not "love" Putin, despite what some Republicans claim. In fact, both took strong stances against Russia during their time in office.

 

Obama Administration:

Imposed sanctions on Russia after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Expelled Russian diplomats and sanctioned Russian entities for election interference in 2016.

Increased NATO presence in Eastern Europe to deter Russian aggression.

 

 

Biden Administration:

Continued and expanded sanctions on Russia.

Provided military aid to Ukraine in response to Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022.

Strengthened alliances with NATO and other partners to counter Russian influence.

 

While there were diplomatic attempts to work with Russia (as with any world leader), their policies were largely adversarial, not friendly.

 

Republican claims about Obama and Biden "loving" Putin are often political rhetoric rather than fact-based assessments.

 

In other words, 🐂💩

 

Everything I said is true, and you know it. 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Everything I said is true, and you know it. 

If everything you say is true, why did you avoid answering a simple question...

 

From 2017-2021, what did Trump do?

 

If he did anything "strong" and "bold" against Putin, it must have been a hell of a knob slobbering session when his Daddy Vladdy and him kicked the translator out of the room so they could spend a little private time together in Helsinki. 

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

[Yellowtail]

Just now, SiSePuede419 said:

If everything you say is true, why did you avoid answering a simple question...

 

From 2017-2021, what did Trump do?

 

If he did anything "strong" and "bold" against Putin, it must have been a hell of a knob slobbering session when his Daddy Vladdy and him kicked the translator out of the room so they could spend a little private time together in Helsinki. 

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

Trump placed sanctions on Russia, which Biden lifted as soon as he got into office.

 😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

Trump had over 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries killed in Syria.

 😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

Trump began shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine, which Biden cancelled the moment he got into office. 

 😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭