Hungary to Restrict LGBTQ Rights and Dual Citizenship in Proposed Constitutional Amendments

[Baht Simpson]

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because those are the majority values, you can't expect to worship a three-eared bunny rabbit and ask everyone celebrate it, it's not their God.

It's not about values, it's about equality and the right to free assembly. Those shouldn't be taken away because people are in the minority as you put it. 

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, you're trying hard to obfuscate, clearly this is on purpose. From your own link:

 

"...the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually."

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/

 

Since the proportion of homosexuals in the population is 4%, with 96% of people being heterosexual, that means 24:1, however among pedophiles that ratio is 11:1. So this CLEARLY shows that the propensity for paedophilia is MUCH larger among homosexuals than among heterosexuals.

 

I already stated above that in absolute terms there are more heterosexual pedophiles, obviously since 94% of the population is heterosexual, however, the ratio of homosexuals among pedophiles is staggering and WAY out of proportion to their actual number in the population. Therefore, clearly the propensity towards pedophilia among heterosexuals is much larger.

 

So we agree.

 

Whilst studies suggest that within the paedophiles class, homosexuals are over-represented as proportion of the general population. However, in ABSOLUTE TERMS THE NUMBER OF HETROSEXUAL PEDOPHILES HUGHLY EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF HOMOSEXUAL ONES (by a ratio of 15:1).

 

If you think that justifies your homophobia that's up to you.

[Cameroni]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

Whilst studies suggest that within the paedophiles class, homosexuals are over-represented as proportion of the general population

 

That's what I've been saying all along!!!!

 

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

However, in ABSOLUTE TERMS THE NUMBER OF HETROSEXUAL PEDOPHILES HUGHLY EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF HOMOSEXUAL ONES (by a ratio of 15:1)

 

Well, obviously, I said that above, given that in the general population heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals 24:1 it's hardly surprising! What IS surprising is that there is no correlation of 24:1 in heterosexuals to pedophiles, as there is in the general population, it's much lower, because the proportion of homosexual pedophiles is much higher! Proportionately obviously.

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

your homophobia

 

Get outta here, not afraid one bit. Looks like you and a few others are afraid to face the true figure, that the preponderance towards pedophilia is much higher among homosexuals.

[Cameroni]

23 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

It's not about values, it's about equality and the right to free assembly. Those shouldn't be taken away because people are in the minority as you put it. 

 

The rights of the minority only exist as long as they don't offend the rights of the majoirty. Try yellinlg "fire" in a crowded theatre, your free speech will be punished severely because it interefered with the rights of the majority.

 

Absolute freedoms are an illusion and never existed.

[Baht Simpson]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The rights of the minority only exist as long as they don't offend the rights of the majoirty. Try yellinlg "fire" in a crowded theatre, your free speech will be punished severely because it interefered with the rights of the majority.

 

Absolute freedoms are an illusion and never existed.

By this measure you must agree then that Budapest Pride should go ahead, as I detailed in a previous post that 73% of Budapest residents are against banning it. It clearly doesn't offend them as it's a huge majority. 

 

Moreover, majorities aren't always morally right. Most Germans supported Naziism. 

 

Your "fire" analogy is a false equivalence as that's civil disorder and possibly a crime which free assembly isn't.

 

Minority rights are moral and equality issues and shouldn't be beholden to the misguided.  There are plenty of issues that received popular support in the past that we now see as morally reprehensible.

 

And it's not about getting absolute freedoms but retaining equality of freedoms.

[RayC]

37 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's what I've been saying all along!!!!

 

 

Well, obviously, I said that above, given that in the general population heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals 24:1 it's hardly surprising! What IS surprising is that there is no correlation of 24:1 in heterosexuals to pedophiles, as there is in the general population, it's much lower, because the proportion of homosexual pedophiles is much higher! Proportionately obviously.

 

Get outta here, not afraid one bit. Looks like you and a few others are afraid to face the true figure, that the preponderance towards pedophilia is much higher among homosexuals.

 

So what point are you trying to make? That the police should focus their attention on the homosexual population in order to combat pedophilia? Well, news flash: In the unlikely event that all homosexual pedophiles were discovered, it would barely make a dent in the number of pedophile crimes.

 

For the second time, I didn't say that you were afraid of homosexuals. I said that you were a homophobe  - Definition: a person with a dislike of or prejudice against gay people - something you haven't denied.

 

If you want to display your pro-Orban, pro-Putin homophobia for all to see, that's up to you. Personally, they are not badges that I would wear with pride (no pun intended).

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, RayC said:

 

So we agree.

 

Whilst studies suggest that within the paedophiles class, homosexuals are over-represented as proportion of the general population. However, in ABSOLUTE TERMS THE NUMBER OF HETROSEXUAL PEDOPHILES HUGHLY EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF HOMOSEXUAL ONES (by a ratio of 15:1).

 

If you think that justifies your homophobia that's up to you.

 

Speaking up for homosexual Paedophiles.

 

What a cause. 😜

 

Bravo.