Hungary to Restrict LGBTQ Rights and Dual Citizenship in Proposed Constitutional Amendments

[Baht Simpson]

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because those are the majority values, you can't expect to worship a three-eared bunny rabbit and ask everyone celebrate it, it's not their God.

It's not about values, it's about equality and the right to free assembly. Those shouldn't be taken away because people are in the minority as you put it. 

[Cameroni]

23 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

It's not about values, it's about equality and the right to free assembly. Those shouldn't be taken away because people are in the minority as you put it. 

 

The rights of the minority only exist as long as they don't offend the rights of the majoirty. Try yellinlg "fire" in a crowded theatre, your free speech will be punished severely because it interefered with the rights of the majority.

 

Absolute freedoms are an illusion and never existed.

[Baht Simpson]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The rights of the minority only exist as long as they don't offend the rights of the majoirty. Try yellinlg "fire" in a crowded theatre, your free speech will be punished severely because it interefered with the rights of the majority.

 

Absolute freedoms are an illusion and never existed.

By this measure you must agree then that Budapest Pride should go ahead, as I detailed in a previous post that 73% of Budapest residents are against banning it. It clearly doesn't offend them as it's a huge majority. 

 

Moreover, majorities aren't always morally right. Most Germans supported Naziism. 

 

Your "fire" analogy is a false equivalence as that's civil disorder and possibly a crime which free assembly isn't.

 

Minority rights are moral and equality issues and shouldn't be beholden to the misguided.  There are plenty of issues that received popular support in the past that we now see as morally reprehensible.

 

And it's not about getting absolute freedoms but retaining equality of freedoms.

[ElwoodP]

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@RayC please don't cast aspersions on other forum members.

[Jingthing]

All (anti LGBT) autocratic roads lead to Donald Trump (the Hungary's Orban, etc. - Trump connection). 

 

Many Americans like myself are in rather a state of shock that our "president" is now leader of the autocratic world rather than the free world.  I put president in quotes because he's ruling as if he's all powerful monarch indeed a kind of demi-God, a state of affairs our founding fathers fought to liberate us from.  Yes, I get it -- pro autocracy, anti-democracy Americans love it. The division is as bad it's been since the civil war but a difference now is that the opposition to the autocratic leader and power holds basically NO power.

 

Trump inspires anti-LGBTQ, antidemocratic moves by Erdogan, Orban, Vucic - The Washington Post

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/03/22/trump-orban-erdogan-lgbtq-democracy/

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Autocrats roll back rights and rule of law — and cite Trump’s example

Trump’s statements, policies and actions are providing cover for attacks on LGBTQ+ rights, freedom of expression and the rule of law around the world.

 

Under Hungary’s antigay “propaganda” law, bookstores were fined for selling LGBTQ+ themed tomes without sealed plastic wrappers and a museum director was fired for allowing minors into an exhibit with images of same-sex couples. But the autocratic government of Prime Minister Viktor Orban stopped short of targeting the community’s premier event: the annual Pride parade.

 

Until now. Parliament voted overwhelmingly this month to ban the event — and threatened to use facial recognition technology to identify violators.

What changed? According to Orban, it was the return to the White House of President Donald Trump.