More Serious About Coffee

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Stevia and Truvia are kinda different, but use them. Usually got to Splenda and Equal.

Splenda is heavily chlorinated sugar. Heaven knows what it does to the kidneys and liver, and I don't want to find out.

[hotsun]

I noticed that when you upgrade your method of coffee making, the improved coffee is noticeable the first time and then it just goes back to being normal coffee

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, hotsun said:

I noticed that when you upgrade your method of coffee making, the improved coffee is noticeable the first time and then it just goes back to being normal coffee

Chicken tastes like chicken

[fredwiggy]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Splenda is heavily chlorinated sugar. Heaven knows what it does to the kidneys and liver, and I don't want to find out.

I'm aware that Splenda isn't as  safe as they'd like you think, as it can cause stomach issues. I've used it for many years without any problems, but I'm more leaning towards Stevia. The chlorination is a concern but salt itself has as many atoms of chlorine in it.

[hotsun]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Chicken tastes like chicken

Reminds me of when i gained a taste for durian, and then tasted the best durian in chumphon, grown by that family there who didnt think it was as great as i did because they eat it all the time

[scubascuba3]

55 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

stevia has an odd taste, so i stopped using it.

use cane sugar now.  not 0 calories, so need to burn them off. 

Yes life is sweeter with sugar, i have 1.5 teaspoons in tea, 1 in coffee when out exercising and 2 tablespoons in mixed fruit smoothies, great. BTW having  sugar in smoothies is better than high fructose syrup which is standard when out

[cdemundo]

Coffee is all about compromises for me.

I have settled on a Dulce Gusto machine for my bleary eyed, why did I get a job?, mornings.

Convenient and as fast as instant.

Easy, minimal cleaning.

Uses cartridges so will mess up your relationship with Greta Thunberg.

Best compromise I have found.

 

I find the Cafe au Lait to be nice.

Cue the insults about "real coffee" but I am happy with it.

 

 

[norfolkandchance]

This is one favourite of mine. Memories of starting the day in KSA.

[sometimewoodworker]

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I buy Birdy Robusta in a tin. 17 baht. It's the only coffee I can find in the stores which is not laced with sugar.

 

Pour into a cup, microwave 1 minute. Add one-tenth of a teaspoon of stevia, a natural sweetener derived from a South American plant. Zero calories.

 

Not Kopi Luwak, but it suits me without the elaborate preparation this thread is describing.

 

I believe in Keep It Simple Stupid.

 

If you look carefully there are about 4 different zero sugar/sweetener types available, the 2 Birdy, a Robusta & an Arabica both in tins,  the Suntory Boss and the Cafe Amazon both in plastic bottles 

[ignis]

No ide how people can tell the difference between coffees  when then have milk and sugar.. ?

 

Understand the French they have small cups + very strong coffee + 6 or so sugar lumps -   myself always have large coffee + jug of hot water in France

[newbee2022]

I prefer drip coffee. Coffee comes from Vietnam

[fredwiggy]

9 minutes ago, ignis said:

No ide how people can tell the difference between coffees  when then have milk and sugar.. ?

 

Understand the French they have small cups + very strong coffee + 6 or so sugar lumps of sugar myself always have large coffee + jug of hot water in France

The more you add, the less you taste the coffee but good coffee will always taste better than average, especially the less you put in it. When I first tried the Vietnamese last week, with only a tad of sugar, it sold me on how good Vietnamese actually is. Never had coffee so rich besides espresso.

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I prefer drip coffee. Coffee comes from Vietnam

And Brazil, Thailand, Colombia, Indonesia, Peru, Honduras, India, Ethiopia and other African countries, Ecuador, Venezuela, Mexico, Costa Rica along with others.

[Lacessit]

14 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

If you look carefully there are about 4 different zero sugar/sweetener types available, the 2 Birdy, a Robusta & an Arabica both in tins,  the Suntory Boss and the Cafe Amazon both in plastic bottles 

I only looked as far as the Robusta. Maybe I am not as meticulous as you.

 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

3 hours ago, Clapped out said:

Anyone using the Aeropress ?

 

https://worldaeropresschampionship.com/

I have 2 of them that I used in Watford where there was a superb coffee roster and I could get many different coffee beans.
 

When I was in Japan and now here where good fresh roasted isn’t easily (or ever) available I switched to cold brewing. I am now less able to be a coffee connoisseur but the benefits to me of cold infused (I won’t say brewed because that requires heat) coffee are great. The caffeine is still there, the acidity is virtually gone, the oils have not been heated so do not go rancid (this is why if you hot brew after half an hour or so of keeping hot it becomes unpleasant). Now I can have a thermos of hot coffee and the flavour is the same however long it’s been kept.

The only downside is that smell is almost nonexistent 

 

PS if you grind your own beans, freeze them and the grind will be better. Also freeze your fresh ground coffee, it will be better for longer.

[sometimewoodworker]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I only looked as far as the Robusta. Maybe I am not as meticulous as you.

 

 

I got all mine from Lazada and keep them in the car for when I don’t want to stop

[newbee2022]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And Brazil, Thailand, Colombia, Indonesia, Peru, Honduras, India, Ethiopia and other African countries, Ecuador, Venezuela, Mexico, Costa Rica along with others.

I admire your knowledge. However, my personal favourite is Vietnam.

[Lacessit]

53 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm aware that Splenda isn't as  safe as they'd like you think, as it can cause stomach issues. I've used it for many years without any problems, but I'm more leaning towards Stevia. The chlorination is a concern but salt itself has as many atoms of chlorine in it.

Salt is an inorganic compound. One chlorine atom. Sucralose ( Splenda ) has three chlorine atoms substituted for hydroxyl groups.

 

Chlorine in most organic molecules interacts with the kidneys and liver. Most organo-chlorines are lipophilic.

 

IIRC about 90% of synthetic medications have one or more chlorine atoms somewhere in the compound.

 

OTOH, stevia is plant-derived, naturally occurring glycosides.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Salt is an inorganic compound. One chlorine atom. Sucralose ( Splenda ) has three chlorine atoms substituted for hydroxyl groups.

 

Chlorine in most organic molecules interacts with the kidneys and liver. Most organo-chlorines are lipophilic.

 

IIRC about 90% of synthetic medications have one or more chlorine atoms somewhere in the compound.

 

OTOH, stevia is plant-derived, naturally occurring glycosides.

Addition

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Salt is an inorganic compound. One chlorine atom. Sucralose ( Splenda ) has three chlorine atoms substituted for hydroxyl groups.

 

Chlorine in most organic molecules interacts with the kidneys and liver. Most organo-chlorines are lipophilic.

 

IIRC about 90% of synthetic medications have one or more chlorine atoms somewhere in the compound.

 

OTOH, stevia is plant-derived, naturally occurring glycosides.

Many different opinions on the subject but eating anything in moderation isn't that harmful, and the amount of chlorine in Sucralose,  Splenda isn't a worry to people as much as the effects it may have on the digestive system if consumed n large quantities................

Does Splenda Contain Chlorine and is it Unhealthy? (August 2008)

It is true that Splenda is made using Chlorine, which sounds scary, but the sugar industry warns that you are actually “eating chlorine” when consuming sucralose, the chemical sold as Splenda. Plain sugar is transformed into sucralose by substituting three chlorine atoms for hydrogen, creating a substance that is not digested by the body, so it’s effectively calorie free and that’s 600 times sweeter than sugar. There is no evidence that the chlorine atoms in sucralose are any more dangerous than they are in, say sodium chloride (ordinary salt). Before giving sucralose the OK, the US Food and Drug Administration reviewed more than 110 human and animal studies demonstrating its safety...............https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucralose-good-or-bad#safety

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I admire your knowledge. However, my personal favourite is Vietnam.

As is mine. So far.

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Splenda is heavily chlorinated sugar. Heaven knows what it does to the kidneys and liver, and I don't want to find out.

...and how many kilograms you're consuming a day?🤗

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Thanks. I'm looking at the Bialetti's and will decide soon.

Enjoy your coffee

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

...and how many kilograms you're consuming a day?🤗

I am consuming protein, a small amount of fat, collagen, and low carb vegetables. My BMI is normal.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Many different opinions on the subject but eating anything in moderation isn't that harmful, and the amount of chlorine in Sucralose,  Splenda isn't a worry to people as much as the effects it may have on the digestive system if consumed n large quantities................

Does Splenda Contain Chlorine and is it Unhealthy? (August 2008)

It is true that Splenda is made using Chlorine, which sounds scary, but the sugar industry warns that you are actually “eating chlorine” when consuming sucralose, the chemical sold as Splenda. Plain sugar is transformed into sucralose by substituting three chlorine atoms for hydrogen, creating a substance that is not digested by the body, so it’s effectively calorie free and that’s 600 times sweeter than sugar. There is no evidence that the chlorine atoms in sucralose are any more dangerous than they are in, say sodium chloride (ordinary salt). Before giving sucralose the OK, the US Food and Drug Administration reviewed more than 110 human and animal studies demonstrating its safety...............https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucralose-good-or-bad#safety

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

Animal studies are basically useless. Every species responds differently to a toxin.

 

How many of the 110 studies in humans were conducted over 20-30 years, to determine long-term effects?

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am consuming protein, a small amount of fat, collagen, and low carb vegetables. My BMI is normal.

94yos eat ice cream daily.

[madone]

On 3/21/2025 at 9:11 AM, save the frogs said:

more pressure = more flavor extracted

the fancy machines have high pressure

 

patently untrue.

most decent espresso machines have valves that limit brew pressure to 9 bar

[fredwiggy]

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

Animal studies are basically useless. Every species responds differently to a toxin.

 

How many of the 110 studies in humans were conducted over 20-30 years, to determine long-term effects?

All we have to go by are what's available. Animal studies can be helpful or not, as studies on humans are surely more accurate. Long term effects are of course more accurate but Splenda has been around since the 70's and no real evidence has shown any negative results. I've been using it since it was available, as has many of my friends and family, with nothing we've seen to be negative. 

 

Yes, every person is a little different how they might respond to a certain substance, as they are all in a different DNA beginning, and all may eat different things, have different levels of activity and different weights and heights. My brother died at 67 from a heart attack brought on by diabetes, which runs in my family with my son and aunt having it, but no one else. My brother was overweight and that likely is what hurt his health, leading to the heart attack, where he never had any problems with his heart before, as did no one else in our family. My son is lean and exercises a lot, eating healthy, yet diabetes is part of his life now. 

 

All we can do is our best and try to avoid things which are proven to hurt us, which Splenda hasn't been, at least yet. The people who continually live the longest are from the blue zones, and that's the diet I try to follow, at least as close as I can living here. Basically, Splenda hasn't show any real danger especially if not eaten in large amounts. Salt in large amounts has shown to be a danger also, as has sugar, so again it's in moderation that we should live. Some people can smoke cigars, eat bacon daily, sit watching soaps all day, and drink whiskey daily, and live to 110. Others can exercise daily, eat healthy, not smoke or drink, and die at 40 from a heart attack. I have a low body fat, resting pulse of 58, blood pressure of 115/54, and blood sugar of 88, and the only problems I've had are from lifting too much weight for too long (joints), and getting H Pylori living here which has screwed up my gut microbiome because of the meds I took to eradicate it, and will take a long time to fix. Cancer is in my family so I've done what I can to try to avoid getting it but who knows? Studies on animals have helped us greatly over the years..........https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218274/.