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On 3/29/2025 at 11:57 AM, stevenl said:

Judge decides. At least it should be, hope the administration adheres to the law.

What law might that be? 

 

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On 3/27/2025 at 4:27 PM, Social Media said:

Rubio defended the administration’s stance, stating, "The US gives students visas to earn a degree, not to become a social activist tearing up our campuses." He added, "If you lie, get the visa, and then engage in that kind of behavior once you're here, we're going to revoke it."

Pretty simple law. Maybe you lads should fix YOUR house before attacking ours. If you reply, kindly remember, those of you living in Thailand are complying with the exact same law. :whistling:

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On 3/28/2025 at 2:26 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Trust you...........

 

 

We have the same problems in Australia with immigrants who don't leave there grievences behind when the migrate to a new country. The problem here is the Australian Prime Minister is as weak as dishwater and allows these sometime violent protesters to continue unabated. Recently in Sydney a Mosque was destroyed by fire and all the P.M. did was visit the site and offer them money to rebuild. There is an election coming up in a few weeks and I hope that he gets kicked out on his a##se.

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A bit of an update:

Cornell University student activist whose visa was revoked announces departure from the U.S.

A Cornell University graduate student whose visa was revoked after he was involved in a lawsuit against the Trump administration over its actions against pro-Palestinian student protesters announced Monday that he will be leaving the United States voluntarily.
 
At the time of this update (1233 GMT April 2), it has been confirmed by the Dept. of Homeland Secuiorty that Taal has left the U.S. but there is no info on where he has gone.  You can read more on his "credentials" as a pro-Hamas supporter at    https://canarymission.org/individual/Momodou_Taal
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More background on the reasons for the removal of pro-Hamas supporters from the U.S.

 

When Charities Betray America: How “Pro-Palestinian” Protest Groups Promote Anti-Americanism

Data analysis warns of escalating terrorism threat

 

A study of the online rhetoric from major “pro-Palestinian” groups and activists in the United States before and after the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023, concludes that the activists’ protests have morphed into an anti-American and anti-police movement with sharply radicalizing rhetoric that advocates terrorism and sedition on U.S. soil.

An analysis of thousands of social media posts by 496 of the most active “pro-Palestinian” groups and activists, many of them connected to “charities” and nonprofits, found a 3,000 percent surge in calls for violence and a 186 percent increase in the use of anti-American and anti-police keywords and phrases since the Hamas-led terrorist attacks on October 7, 2023.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/when-charities-betray-america-1/

 

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This is what was really needed.  It's a hell of a lot easier to deny pro-Hamas and antisemitic students a visa before they enter the U.S. that to revoke visas and remove students from the U.S.

 

US issues broad order to consulates to vet student visas over ‘terrorist activity’

State department shares new standard for denials based on social media posts, financial donations and memberships

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The directive states that “evidence that an applicant advocates for terrorist activity, or otherwise demonstrates a degree of public approval or public advocacy for terrorist activity or a terrorist organization” can be grounds for visa rejection.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/28/student-visa-applications-denials

 

I'm going to suggest to the State Department a list of questions that are absolutely foolproof in detecting pro-Hamas and other pro-terrorist students.  "Yes" or "No" are the only answers allowed; no lengthy explanations are acceptable.

 

1)  Is Hamas a terrorist group?

2)  Does Israel have the right to exist behind secure borders as a sovereign  state and homeland of the world's Jews?

3)  Do you unreservedly condemn the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, as terrorist actions and war crimes without provocation or justification?

4)  Should U.S. institutions of higher learning support boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel?

 

And because it is necessary to deny entry to the U.S. to other violent Islamists and jihadis besides Hamas, consular officers should ask these questions as well:

5)  Is violent jihad ever justified against U.S. citizens, including those with dual citizenship in Israel and U.S. military serving abroad?

6)  Should Salman Rushdie be allowed to lecture about or read from The Satanic Verses at U.S. institutions?

7)  Should U.S. universities and other institutions, public or private, be allowed to hold exhibits of the Danish Muhammad cartoons?

8)  Does Sharia law based on the Quran supersede secular law for Muslims in the U.S.?

9)  Do Jews as a group have disproportionate  or unfair influence over the economy, politics and other aspects of public life in the U.S.?

10) Do you have any qualms about attending class or taking part in campus activities with Israeli and other Jewish students?  

 

Of course, these questions would be asked in addition to the normal pre-visa vetting process, which includes questions about membership in terrorist groups, previous criminal activity, etc.

 

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3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

This is what was really needed.  It's a hell of a lot easier to deny pro-Hamas and antisemitic students a visa before they enter the U.S. that to revoke visas and remove students from the U.S.

 

US issues broad order to consulates to vet student visas over ‘terrorist activity’

State department shares new standard for denials based on social media posts, financial donations and memberships

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The directive states that “evidence that an applicant advocates for terrorist activity, or otherwise demonstrates a degree of public approval or public advocacy for terrorist activity or a terrorist organization” can be grounds for visa rejection.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/28/student-visa-applications-denials

 

I'm going to suggest to the State Department a list of questions that are absolutely foolproof in detecting pro-Hamas and other pro-terrorist students.  "Yes" or "No" are the only answers allowed; no lengthy explanations are acceptable.

 

1)  Is Hamas a terrorist group?

2)  Does Israel have the right to exist behind secure borders as a sovereign  state and homeland of the world's Jews?

3)  Do you unreservedly condemn the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, as terrorist actions and war crimes without provocation or justification?

4)  Should U.S. institutions of higher learning support boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel?

 

And because it is necessary to deny entry to the U.S. to other violent Islamists and jihadis besides Hamas, consular officers should ask these questions as well:

5)  Is violent jihad ever justified against U.S. citizens, including those with dual citizenship in Israel and U.S. military serving abroad?

6)  Should Salman Rushdie be allowed to lecture about or read from The Satanic Verses at U.S. institutions?

7)  Should U.S. universities and other institutions, public or private, be allowed to hold exhibits of the Danish Muhammad cartoons?

😎 Does Sharia law based on the Quran supersede secular law for Muslims in the U.S.?

9)  Do Jews as a group have disproportionate  or unfair influence over the economy, politics and other aspects of public life in the U.S.?

10) Do you have any qualms about attending class or taking part in campus activities with Israeli and other Jewish students?  

 

Of course, these questions would be asked in addition to the normal pre-visa vetting process, which includes questions about membership in terrorist groups, previous criminal activity, etc.

 

Confusing terrorism with Israeli policies again.

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58 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Confusing terrorism with Israeli policies again.

Nonsensical one liner. Explain where terrorism and Israeli policies being confused in those suggested questions? 

 

Why again? Where was the first time?

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This is a great start. 
Now to evict all the expired green card holders and remove the 503c for everyone. 
When they can do that, my fat ass will do a backflip.
Until then I'm happy with just one bite at a time.

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4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Confusing terrorism with Israeli policies again.

 

No such confusion  on my part or that of the U.S.  government.   Unfortunately some groups and individuals express their disagreement with Israeli policies through terrorism.  Hamas is one of them.

 

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Nonsensical one liner. Explain where terrorism and Israeli policies being confused in those suggested questions? 

 

@stevenl almost never clarifies his sometimes cryptic comments.  I guessing that he's referring to the old chestnut that support of the Palestinian people does not necessarily translate to support for Hamas and other terror groups, i.e., students can be pro-Palestinian without being pro-Hamas. He's reacting to the words "terrorist activity" in  the headline of the article I quoted as well as what he perceives as the tone, if not the exact wording, of the questions I suggested.  I never directly mentioned Israeli policy.

 

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Why again? Where was the first time?

 

In @stevenl's mind,  I have confused terrorism with opposition to Israeli policies in earlier posts, but that only happened in his imagination.

 

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12 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

This is a great start. 
Now to evict all the expired green card holders and remove the 503c for everyone. 
When they can do that, my fat ass will do a backflip.

 

I agree :thumbsup:, it is indeed a great start.  The increased vetting of applicants for U.S. student visas rams home the point that no foreigner has a right to attend a U.S. educational institution.  If a foreign student disagrees with Israeli, U.S. government or university policies to the extent he or she is willing to take part in violent demonstrations that go way beyond free speech, then they should apply to a university in South Africa, Ireland, Spain or any other country whose governmental and university policies align more closely with the applicant's.

 

On a separate note, here's another brief update on some of the actions taken against pro-Hamas supporters and others on U.S. university campuses.  Keep in mind failure to disclose previous arrests and other relevant information on visa applications or renewals is grounds for deportation in itself.  That's been a rule for over 100 years.

 

Also, visa revocations are nothing new.  I couldn't find more up-to-date info, but between 2001 and 2015, "a State Department official says the U.S. has revoked more than 122,000 visas since 2001, including 9,500 because of the threat of terrorism."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-revokes-visas-based-on-threats-of-terrorism-official-says/

 

Finally, the U.S. government is not required to publicly reveal the grounds for each and every visa revocation or removal.  Sometimes the information may have come from a confidential informant or foreign intelligence service.  

 

  • Mahmoud Khalil-  Algerian citizen, Columbia student.  Faces immigration court and judge on April 8 in Louisiana
  • Momodou Taal-  Dual citizen of  U.K. and Gambia, student at Cornell U.  Has self-deported after visa revoked
  • Badar Khan Suri-  Republic of India citizen married to a Hamas supporter whose father was a senior member of Hamas.  Badar Khan Suri is under detention in Louisiana for spreading Hamas propaganda and having close connections to Hamas. Visa revoked, faces removal. Georgetown U. scholar
  • Dr. Rasha Alawieh- Lebanese physician denied re-entry to U.S. after attending funeral of Hezbollah leader in Lebanon.  Brown U.
  • Rumeysa Ozturk-  Turkish citizen,  student Tufts U.  Visa revoked, detained  and facing deportation. Basis for visa revocation has not been revealed.
  • Alireza Doroudi-  Iranian citizen, U. of Alabama, visa revoked and detained for national security reasons, perhaps not related to Gaza war
  • Ranjani Srinivasan-  Republic of India citizen, Columbia student, self-deported to Canada after visa revoked.  Had been arrested earlier for participation in illegal protests  and failed to disclose arrest on application to renew student visa.
  • Yunseo Chung- South Korean citizen, Columbia U., had green card revoked and ICE is seeking to arrest her. Has not been found yet. Was arrested during violent occupation at Barnard College.
  • Doğukan Günaydın-  Turkish citizen,  U. of Minnesota.  Visa revoked, detained,  removal sought after conviction for drunk driving at more than twice the legal blood alcohol level.  May be routine case not related to Gaza war protests.
  • Leqaa Kordia-  Palestinian citizen, former Columbia student.  Least controversial case.  Detained after dropping out of Columbia in 2022, followed by  three-year visa overstay.  Had been arrested in connection with Columbia protests.

 

Lnks to sources:

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-detainees-students-ozturk-khalil-78f544fb2c8b593c88a0c1f0e0ad9c5f

https://www.al.com/politics/2025/03/tuberville-backs-detaining-of-alabama-doctoral-student-government-says-posed-security-concerns.html

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportation-what-we-know-hnk/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/us/university-of-minnesota-graduate-student-detained-ice-lawsuit/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/nyregion/columbia-university-protester-chung-deportation.html
 

12 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Until then I'm happy with just one bite at a time.

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