Bangkok Shop Owner Defends Right to Sell Controversial Shirts

[ronnie50]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I recall when stalls were selling Osama Bin Laden T-shirts.... 

 

I thought at the time...  there's a segment of society here that is incredibly juvenile and insensitive to world events.

 

Of course, a simple T-Shirt can't harm anyone, but the imagery is powerful and this shows extreme ignorance - instead of defending herself, the vendor should be ashamed and embarrassed, as should anyone who purchases such items.

 

 

Probabaly many here have seen Thai girls wearing profanity-laced expressions (like I'm a sl*t) or <deleted> this or that. I saw one wearing a PornHub shirt last week. In some cases they probably know the meaning, but I bet in many cases they don't.

[NoDisplayName]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Good luck on your next Hitler T-shirt shopping spree....   

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/funny-donald-trump-stealing-my-heart-guilty-t-shirt-mens-and-s-high-quality-soft-casual-short-sleeved-t-shirt-unisex-i5505565742.html

[TedG]

42 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

in the UK i think you may be arrested for certain teeshirts 

 

Which proves the UK is awful. 

[TedG]

1 hour ago, Serenity_Now said:

i wonder when her stock of TRUMP teeshirts will arrive

Trump lives in your head rent free. 

[Mike_Hunt]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I recall when stalls were selling Osama Bin Laden T-shirts.... 

 

I thought at the time...  there's a segment of society here that is incredibly juvenile and insensitive to world events.

 

Of course, a simple T-Shirt can't harm anyone, but the imagery is powerful and this shows extreme ignorance - instead of defending herself, the vendor should be ashamed and embarrassed, as should anyone who purchases such items.

 

 

 

You are looking at this from the Western perspective. 

[BangkokReady]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Chonticha's situation highlights broader issues of globalisation and cultural clashes in increasingly cosmopolitan cities like Bangkok, reported The Thaiger

 

It actually reflects how entitled some people are, assuming that they have control over another country and culture as they do their own.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

It actually reflects how entitled some people are, assuming that they have control over another country and culture as they do their own.

 

Is it entitlement, or is it a deeper understanding that there should be greater consideration shown by all ?

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I recall when stalls were selling Osama Bin Laden T-shirts.... 

 

I thought at the time...  there's a segment of society here that is incredibly juvenile and insensitive to world events.

 

Of course, a simple T-Shirt can't harm anyone, but the imagery is powerful and this shows extreme ignorance - instead of defending herself, the vendor should be ashamed and embarrassed, as should anyone who purchases such items.

 

 

 

You are looking at this from the Western perspective. 

 

I'm looking at it from a human perspective...   Its the same as Thai's getting upset when they see a Buddha image on a bikini or in bar...  Thats not a Western Perspective, but the same principle applies.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/funny-donald-trump-stealing-my-heart-guilty-t-shirt-mens-and-s-high-quality-soft-casual-short-sleeved-t-shirt-unisex-i5505565742.html

 

That's a banger. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

50 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

You are looking at this from the Western perspective. 

 

Only in terms of what different people may find offensive.

 

The owners of this shop are probably not educated enough to know that many people will take offence at some of the items they sell. 

 

Maybe they don't care. 

 

Their country their rules. 

 

The Thais have other ideas of what would be unacceptable and offensive on a t-shirt or other clothing, for example images of a certain person, or the Thai flag on socks or underwear (as we have seen outrage about many times before). 

 

What was that about having to be culturally sensitive when visiting Thailand again? 

[Patong2021]

Careful with your double standards. Many of you would be very upset with Tshirts showing a president getting his head blown off, or images of Melania  being ravished by caricatures of afro american  males.  

 

4 hours ago, chuang said:

Who the fork are these people to order others what to sell...if they don't like they can buy off the products and throw them away..

These people are making a living in their own country if you don't like go back to your country...

It is how they make their living that is questionable . Your logic holds that pornography featuring performers who may be  18, but present as  minors is acceptable. Your logic also holds that  video recordings of  ISIS beheading victims is acceptable. After all the websites like Ogrish said it was for "educational" purposes. Your logic also holds that websites like 4 Chan that offer information and images of some very  evil things are acceptable.

As mentioned above, Thais are offended when their religion or institutions are ridiculed or exploited for commercial purposes. Isn't the theatrical production of the  King and I musical still banned in Thailand?

 

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

I suggest that she does not sell any shirt that contravenes section 112.

Double standards are what drives her supported on this website.

 

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Next time Iam down that market will defo drop in and buy some.

Of course you will.

 

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Me too

Not surprised. Your strong support of neonazis is constantly on display.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The world is full of virtue signallers and people who feel their point of view is more important than anyone else's. They need a dose of reality.

Good on this woman for standing up to the virtue signaller bullies.

 

You really are a piece of work. You are one of the shrill bullies who berates anyone who questions your beloved  bully Trump. 

It is not virtue signalling. Multiple members of my family put their lives on the line in active service in WWII serving in the RAF, RCAF,  and US Army in both Europe and  the Pacific. I have an obligation to them and their fallen comrades and friends who did not come back not to allow the glorification of evil to go unchecked. 

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Is it entitlement, or is it a deeper understanding that there should be greater consideration shown by all ?

 

Do these same people throw a fit when they see Che Guevara or Mao somewhere in the West?  You can't go to another country in a different part of the world and expect locals to cater to your feelings when those figures don't have the same meaning there.

 

individuals seem to often forget that it's other people that allow them the rights and freedoms that they enjoy.  They come to think of something as being objectively right or wrong.  They become entitled.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Multiple members of my family put their lives on the line in active service in WWII serving in the RAF, RCAF,  and US Army in both Europe and  the Pacific.

 

The RAF? I wouldn't admit to that publicly if  I were you.

 

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

I have an obligation to them and their fallen comrades and friends who did not come back not to allow the glorification of evil to go unchecked. 

 

Yes, I'm sure in the great battle of good and evil you are the winged avenger who will help virtue and good to triumph. Do me a favour, take your cape, go home, and leave this poor woman alone and let her sell her shirts for a few baht. It's hard enough to make a living for Thais without people like you imposing your morality delusion on the actual citizens of the country!

[saakura]

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

I suggest that she does not sell any shirt that contravenes section 112.

Completely flawed logic. Contravention of 112 is against Thai law and the business is located in Thailand. There is no law here against putting a picture of Hitler or Putin on a T-shirt.

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do these same people throw a fit when they see Che Guevara or Mao somewhere in the West?  You can't go to another country in a different part of the world and expect locals to cater to your feelings when those figures don't have the same meaning there.

 

individuals seem to often forget that it's other people that allow them the rights and freedoms that they enjoy.  They come to think of something as being objectively right or wrong.  They become entitled.

 This issue arises every few years. It is an embarrassment to educated Thais. It also  can do terrible dmage to tourism. In case you forgot, Putin's justification for invading Ukraine was the need for "denazification". And here we see  an act sure to antagonize and  upset Russian sensibilities. Let's see how Putin's fan club responds.

 

It is rather universal not to celebrate mass murderers. You don't see this nasty  profiteer putting up tshirts of Pol Pot or Panya Khamrab because she doesn't have a market for that. She is targeting  farang customers. Thailand caters to alot of deviants. Your logic really does not hold up.

 

[Mike_Hunt]

20 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

 

 

What was that about having to be culturally sensitive when visiting Thailand again? 

 

It's about being a good guest. 

[Patong2021]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The RAF? I wouldn't admit to that publicly if  I were you.

 

 

Yes, I'm sure in the great battle of good and evil you are the winged avenger who will help virtue and good to triumph. Do me a favour, take your cape, go home, and leave this poor woman alone and let her sell her shirts for a few baht. It's hard enough to make a living for Thais without people like you imposing your morality delusion on the actual citizens of the country!

 

The RAF won the Battle of Britain while the USA sat back profiting from a war. You really are an offensive evil person to  attack the RAF and to disrespect its 70,000 dead personnel.

Having respect for the people who served in my family is how I was raised. I wouldn't expect you to understand that, particularly since your hero is General Bonespurs.

[BangkokReady]

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

It is rather universal not to celebrate mass murderers. You don't see this nasty  profiteer putting up tshirts of Pol Pot or Panya Khamrab because she doesn't have a market for that. She is targeting  farang customers. Thailand caters to alot of deviants. Your logic really does not hold up.

 

As I said, Chairman Mao and Che Guevara are fairly popular in terms of tacky t-shirts and posters, the North Korean Kims too, but people don't mind those mass murderers because they didn't mass murder anyone they care about.

 

It seems that your comment doesn't hold up to any kind of factual scrutiny.  🙄

[saakura]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I'm looking at it from a human perspective...   Its the same as Thai's getting upset when they see a Buddha image on a bikini or in bar...  Thats not a Western Perspective, but the same principle 

I doubt if Thais would threaten a store owner in France or USA with violence for selling a Buddha bikini. In Thailand, for sure..

[NoDisplayName]

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

It is rather universal not to celebrate mass murderers. You don't see this nasty  profiteer putting up tshirts of Pol Pot or Panya Khamrab because she doesn't have a market for that. She is targeting  farang customers. Thailand caters to alot of deviants. Your logic really does not hold up.

 

Only $16

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3686961-pol-pot

[Patong2021]

10 minutes ago, saakura said:

I doubt if Thais would threaten a store owner in France or USA with violence for selling a Buddha bikini. In Thailand, for sure..

 

You don't see the issue come up much anymore because westerners are sensitive to the.  sensitivities of Thais. However, Thais have been rather vocal in the past.

 

The French cosmetics firm used a Buddha image to promote a perfume. The Thai government went ballistic.  At the time Surapong Jeyanan Thai Foreign Affairs Spokesman had this to say;

" You know what happened to Salman Rushdie and others who are considered to have committed blasphemy. What has happened to this gentleman and many ladies... There is no need to expand on this to you."  https://newsroom.ap.org/editorial-photos-videos/detail?itemid=6de1fc203508c5e53e4ade44e65b044e&mediatype=video&source=youtube

That was a government official threatening  a physical attack.

 

Remember the protest against the Asian artist who created a toiler art work with a Buddha image initially drew a small number of protestors in  Munich? It grew into a Thai backlash. Don't you recall Pornchai Pinyapong demanding that the German government put pressure on the art gallery thosted the art to remove it and the subsequent hostile protest in Bangkok? German visitors who had no knowledge of the issue  were being harassed. The art work was withdrawn and an apology issued.

 

Then there were the Thai sensitivities on film. Thailand takes on Hollywood over film that 'humiliates' Buddhism. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/09/filmnews.thailand

 

[Cameroni]

30 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The RAF won the Battle of Britain while the USA sat back profiting from a war. You really are an offensive evil person to  attack the RAF and to disrespect its 70,000 dead personnel.

Having respect for the people who served in my family is how I was raised. I wouldn't expect you to understand that, particularly since your hero is General Bonespurs.

 

The RAF burned alive women and children and is one of the worst instruments of war crimes that ever existed.

 

You'll never see T-shirts with the RAF in Thailand because nobody wants to admit to supporting an organization whose purpose was to burn alive women and children.

[NoDisplayName]

52 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Multiple members of my family put their lives on the line in active service in WWII serving in the RAF, RCAF,  and US Army in both Europe and  the Pacific. I have an obligation to them and their fallen comrades and friends who did not come back not to allow the glorification of evil to go unchecked. 

 

I thought it was the bad guys who burned books, and now T-shirts.

 

So what you're sayin' is "we have to destroy freedom of expression in order to save freedom of expression"?

[Patong2021]

25 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Only $16

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3686961-pol-pot

 

What's your point? An individual is offering  a vile tshirt design for sale that is contrary to the website social responsibility guidelines. It got through,most likely because the  website IT workers in India don't check the uploads of individual vendors. The vendors sign agreements not to  upload products like this. It will be removed if  the design is brought to the attention of the hosting company.

 

Tee Public is owned by Redbubble which in turn is owned by Articore the Australian company.  It has an active Diversity policy. It also has a stated anti hate policy. It has removed less offensive vendor products in the past. 

 

 

[Patong2021]

I see that the neo nazis and Russian trolls are out in full force.

Have a nice time.

[proton]

Are there any with the Prophet Muhammad on them? 😆

[Don Giovanni]

Over the years I have witnessed many Thai's wearing Swastika t-shirts and found them incredibly distasteful.

 

It only goes to show that their ignorance is way beyond any reasonable doubt.

 

The Don.

[NoDisplayName]

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

What's your point?

 

Point is there is a market for just about everything.

 

Apparently you don't believe in freedom of expression unless it aligns with your beliefs.

 

You remind me of those blue-haired, nose-ringed liberal chicks I met in college, the ones who'd proudly exclaim "I believe in freedom of speech, but you shouldn't be allowed to say ___________________."

 

Freedom bad.

[frank83628]

I hope the partner bashed the guy and any others in the future, Typical low information MSM headline reader or teslas vandals.

I have a few satirical Trump, Putin, Hitler, tee shirts. I also have some Ted Bundy,  joseph fritzil, Fred & rose west ones and Mexican cartel ones.