Gordon Chang: China Cant Win

[Yagoda]

Anybody care to challenge Gordon Changs factual assertions other than with sad/confused emojis or flames about Trump?

 

https://www.newsweek.com/china-cant-win-trade-war-against-us-one-simple-reason-opinion-2056525

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11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Anybody care to challenge Gordon Changs factual assertions other than with sad/confused emojis or flames about Trump?

 

https://www.newsweek.com/china-cant-win-trade-war-against-us-one-simple-reason-opinion-2056525

I care to.

I did read Chang's article. And I agree with his analysis of China's economic situation. The thing is, Chang does not take into account a few things. One is the fact that China is not a democracy. So Xi doesn't have to worry about midterm elections. Another and related fact is that he doesn't take into account the concept of a Pyrrhic victory. China may get hurt worse but that doesn't mean America won't get hurt badly, too. Which goes back to the political consequences. Also, China does have a virtual monopoly on certain raw materials necessary for high tech manufacturing. It's already begun to restrict access to those. In addition, lots of high tech medication and precursors manufactured in China. So,it's not as though China doesn't have cards to play.

And one other thing: it could be that Trump's pressure on China will force Xi to reform its economy and make it more consumer oriented and less dependent on exports.

[Yagoda]

31 minutes ago, placeholder said:

he thing is, Chang does not take into account a few things. One is the fact that China is not a democracy. So Xi doesn't have to worry about midterm elections. Another and related fact is that he doesn't take into account the concept of a Pyrrhic victory. China may get hurt worse but that doesn't mean America won't get hurt badly, too.

Gordon Chang doesnt take into account the fact thay China is not a democracy? Guess you dont read much of his work.

 

One party gets hurt in war worse that the othger. To win, you have to take some punches. Tell the graves in Nrmandy that they gave their lives for a Pyrric victory, although based on tEuro treatment of us, maybe it wasnt worth it.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Gordon Chang doesnt take into account the fact thay China is not a democracy? Guess you dont read much of his work.

 

One party gets hurt in war worse that the othger. To win, you have to take some punches. Tell the graves in Nrmandy that they gave their lives for a Pyrric victory, although based on tEuro treatment of us, maybe it wasnt worth it.

Australia has zero tariffs on American goods. The USA has a positive trade balance with Australia. Trump tariff 10%.

 

Please explain why we should not treat America as an unfriendly trading partner, and reciprocate with tariffs of our own.

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4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Gordon Chang doesnt take into account the fact thay China is not a democracy? Guess you dont read much of his work.

 

One party gets hurt in war worse that the othger. To win, you have to take some punches. Tell the graves in Nrmandy that they gave their lives for a Pyrric victory, although based on tEuro treatment of us, maybe it wasnt worth it.

As I pointed out, it isn't just about who gets hurt worse. It's about how much punishment each side can take. China is not a democracy. Xi doesn't have to worry about midterms. That gives him a big advantage over Trump. An advantage which Chang takes no account of. What is there about that you don't understand?

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Xi doesn't have to worry about midterms. That gives him a big advantage over Trump. An advantage which Chang takes no account of.

The Midterms you hope Trump loses?

 

To empower China?

 

Sounds like American hate again.

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Australia has zero tariffs on American goods. The USA has a positive trade balance with Australia. Trump tariff 10%.

 

Please explain why we should not treat America as an unfriendly trading partner, and reciprocate with tariffs of our own.

I dont negotiate, that up to the dudes in Washington. What else you got to trade?

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4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The Midterms you hope Trump loses?

 

To empower China?

 

Sounds like American hate again.

How about not to badly damage the American economy for the sake of damaging China? What's amazing to me is the continued ignorance of how Biden strongly ramped up the pressure on China. He was far tougher than Trump. So it's not like nothing or little was in place. In addition there are lots of other issues besides China at stake.

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Anybody care to challenge Gordon Changs factual assertions other than with sad/confused emojis or flames about Trump?

 

https://www.newsweek.com/china-cant-win-trade-war-against-us-one-simple-reason-opinion-2056525

Oh, an opinion piece? Thanks!

 

PS. Just a friendly piece of advice; your endless drivel of "hating America", "hating Trump", "sad/confused emojis", "screech" in just about every post is getting old. You have something else or is that it?

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18 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Oh, an opinion piece? Thanks!

 

PS. Just a friendly piece of advice; your endless drivel of "hating America", "hating Trump", "sad/confused emojis", "screech" in just about every post is getting old. You have something else or is that it?

I think Chang's opinion about the Chinese economy is valid. But, as I noted, he doesn't acknowledge that China can soak up a lot more pain than the United States given that there's not much chance of the Communist party losing the midterms,

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

Oh, an opinion piece? Thanks!

 

PS. Just a friendly piece of advice; your endless drivel of "hating America", "hating Trump", "sad/confused emojis", "screech" in just about every post is getting old. You have something else or is that it?

Following me around I see.

[BLMFem]

26 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Following me around I see.

Said the guy that's everywhere.

[rough diamond]

24 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Said the guy that's everywhere.

And always with nothing constructive to say.

[Briggsy]

You need to go back to the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the complete shuttering of China from the rest of the world to just get a taste of the level of deprivation that a) Chinese can and will endure and b) the CCP is willing to inflict on its own populace.

 

The American media, the American population, Congress, The Senate, The Supreme Court, would be turfing out the Trump administration if they took the US to 5% of that for some nonsense theory. Heck, even his own cabinet would be getting him sectioned.

 

 

[MicroB]

Two Superpowers fighting to see who can devalue each other's currencies.

 

BBC:

 

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It's all a massive tit for tat battle.

China are supplying the tat. America are supplying the massive tit.

 

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4 hours ago, Briggsy said:

You need to go back to the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the complete shuttering of China from the rest of the world to just get a taste of the level of deprivation that a) Chinese can and will endure and b) the CCP is willing to inflict on its own populace.

 

The American media, the American population, Congress, The Senate, The Supreme Court, would be turfing out the Trump administration if they took the US to 5% of that for some nonsense theory. Heck, even his own cabinet would be getting him sectioned.

 

 

Well, the Chinese people who endured that aren't the same today. That said, they are still willing to put up with a lot of hardship especially given that they have a very high rate of savings.

[Briggsy]

Trump's bottled it now as ever, so the discussion is moot. That didn't last long. China won.

 

China will just continue to offshore as before.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Briggsy said:

You need to go back to the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the complete shuttering of China from the rest of the world to just get a taste of the level of deprivation that a) Chinese can and will endure and b) the CCP is willing to inflict on its own populace.

 

The American media, the American population, Congress, The Senate, The Supreme Court, would be turfing out the Trump administration if they took the US to 5% of that for some nonsense theory. Heck, even his own cabinet would be getting him sectioned.

 

 

You need to go back to the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the complete shuttering of China from the rest of the world to just get a taste of the level of deprivation that a) Chinese can and will endure and b) the CCP is willing to inflict on its own populace.

 

That was then when they were already deprived. Much of the Chinese population is now living a better life in cities- they will be just as soft and weak as any western population ( apparently the one child per family grew up spoiled rotten ), and be just as unwilling to put up with deprivation. The difference is that Xi and co are more likely to do a Tianamen Square solution on them than a western government on their citizens. Also, in the US much of the populace is well armed and not going to take too much BS from the enemy government.

[thaibeachlovers]

59 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Trump's bottled it now as ever, so the discussion is moot. That didn't last long. China won.

 

China will just continue to offshore as before.

You forget that western leaders are even now oozing their way to grovel at Trump's feet. I'm sure they observed the different reception the last oozer got from Zelensky, and will act accordingly.

[Yagoda]

14 hours ago, Briggsy said:

You need to go back to the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the complete shuttering of China from the rest of the world to just get a taste of the level of deprivation that a) Chinese can and will endure and b) the CCP is willing to inflict on its own populace.

I think you are quite correct on "b"