Is the new 145% China tariff "actually" payback for COVID? Maybe yes?

[GammaGlobulin]

9 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

History isn't your thing, am I right?

 

Know history.

But, history never repeats itself.

 

Cheap garbage from China is fungible.

 

[Watawattana]

9 hours ago, short-Timer said:

Things move so quickly... 😆🤣

[Toby1947]

They should be paying umteen Trillions of dollars in compensation to the whole world economy for the damage they inflicted on mankind. Horrible race of people, go for it Donald 

[short-Timer]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You have it the opposite way round.

The USA importers can easily change suppliers for necessary goods.

China exports have now stopped.

This will have a devastating effect on China, particularly at this time.

 

No matter what happens, most production must leave China within the next few years, or as soon as possible.

Some production might return to the USA, and much will remain in Asia.

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Your level of delusion is proficiently unmatched. America is an economy that is now more than 80 percent services based, and the income margins on services are exponentially higher than those in manufacturing. Turning America back into a manufacturing country would be a step backwards that devalues its current level of GDP, profitability and its entire workforce.

 

Who exactly do you think is going to invest billions to build factories in America to produce goods that can be bought from China at a fraction of the cost? After spending those billions on factory construction, you’d then have to spend millions more training people to run them, and even then it takes years to build proper supply chains for components and raw materials. And for the foreseeable future, those supply chains would still rely on China, unless by some miracle the US starts manufacturing every single component domestically, which will never happen.

 

By the time all that’s done, even with 150 percent tariffs on Chinese imports, it would still be cheaper to buy from China than to make it in the US. As one example, analysts estimate that if iPhones were made in the US, they’d cost around $3,500 each. So even with heavy tariffs, it still makes more sense to import them rather than waste billions trying to replicate what China already does more efficiently.

 

And that’s assuming Americans even want to go back to working in factories, which they don’t. Most would prefer sitting in air-conditioned offices rather than standing on production lines.

 

You’ve got this entirely wrong, top to bottom.

 

I get that you like to blurt out whatever fantasy-based narrative fits your mood at the time, but that’s not how economics works. In the real world, people have to deal with facts and constraints, not daydreams typed from a dark little room in Chiang Mai without ever facing reality.

 

Look, I understand that economics isn’t your strong point, and you probably shouldn’t be held too harshly accountable for your lack of understanding. But really, save yourself the embarrassment. Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you whole heartedly shove both feet in it.

[short-Timer]

[GammaGlobulin]

44 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

 

Your level of delusion is proficiently unmatched. America is an economy that is now more than 80 percent services based, and the income margins on services are exponentially higher than those in manufacturing. Turning America back into a manufacturing country would be a step backwards that devalues its current level of GDP, profitability and its entire workforce.

 

Who exactly do you think is going to invest billions to build factories in America to produce goods that can be bought from China at a fraction of the cost? After spending those billions on factory construction, you’d then have to spend millions more training people to run them, and even then it takes years to build proper supply chains for components and raw materials. And for the foreseeable future, those supply chains would still rely on China, unless by some miracle the US starts manufacturing every single component domestically, which will never happen.

 

By the time all that’s done, even with 150 percent tariffs on Chinese imports, it would still be cheaper to buy from China than to make it in the US. As one example, analysts estimate that if iPhones were made in the US, they’d cost around $3,500 each. So even with heavy tariffs, it still makes more sense to import them rather than waste billions trying to replicate what China already does more efficiently.

 

And that’s assuming Americans even want to go back to working in factories, which they don’t. Most would prefer sitting in air-conditioned offices rather than standing on production lines.

 

You’ve got this entirely wrong, top to bottom.

 

I get that you like to blurt out whatever fantasy-based narrative fits your mood at the time, but that’s not how economics works. In the real world, people have to deal with facts and constraints, not daydreams typed from a dark little room in Chiang Mai without ever facing reality.

 

Look, I understand that economics isn’t your strong point, and you probably shouldn’t be held too harshly accountable for your lack of understanding. But really, save yourself the embarrassment. Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you whole heartedly shove both feet in it.

 

So, you believe that ROBOTICS is a false promise?

 

Note: We must design products to be more easily manufactured using robots.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

55 minutes ago, Toby1947 said:

race

 

Race?

Race does not exist.

I thought everybody, at this late date, had finally been educated to this reality.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

6 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

 

MAGAfuture.mov 50.51 MB · 0 downloads  

MAGA!

 

Dumb word, yes.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

19 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

 

Just curious.

You are a member of the Communist Party of China...

Am I right?

This TikTok image was produced in China, for example.

 

 

[short-Timer]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Just curious.

You are a member of the Communist Party of China...

Am I right?

This TikTok image was produced in China, for example.

 

 

Here is your CCP source of those images:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14595043/China-unveils-vicious-new-AI-roasting-fat-lazy-Americans-tariffs-chaos-continues.html

[GammaGlobulin]

5 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

Here is your CCP source of those images:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14595043/China-unveils-vicious-new-AI-roasting-fat-lazy-Americans-tariffs-chaos-continues.html

 

No.

That is not the ultimate origin of the images posted in the Daily Mail.

What is the origin.

Any idea?

 

[short-Timer]

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

So, you believe that ROBOTICS is a false promise?

 

Note: We must design products to be more easily manufactured using robots.

 

The investment cost of robots to manufacture goods in America, together with the additional cost of parts and maintenance, plus all the electricity needed to run them, is simply not justifiable for the majority of consumer products that Americans buy from China on a daily basis.

 

Imagine your MAGA hat or your Trump Bible being manufactured by a robot in an American factory. You wouldn't be able to afford the price of it once it's all said and done. Cheap Chinese labor still wins.

[short-Timer]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No.

That is not the ultimate origin of the images posted in the Daily Mail.

What is the origin.

Any idea?

 

You are only trying to kill the messenger. Read the message. Fat Americans don't want to go back to working as factory laborers. Only Trump wants that, but they don't. Did you miss that?

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

The investment cost of robots to manufacture goods in America, together with the additional cost of parts and maintenance, plus all the electricity needed to run them, is simply not justifiable for the majority of consumer products that Americans buy from China on a daily basis.

 

Imagine your MAGA hat or your Trump Bible being manufactured by a robot in an American factory. You wouldn't be able to afford the price of it once it's all said and done. Cheap Chinese labor still wins.

 

The price on this garbage, the unnecessary garbage, needs to be adjusted to reflect the true cost to the environment, and the cost to the factory operators, and the energy cost, etc...

If these products reflected the true cost to the environment, then the higher cost would lead to far lower demand, which would be a big plus for the world.

 

 

[short-Timer]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

The price on this garbage, the unnecessary garbage, needs to be adjusted to reflect the true cost to the environment, and the cost to the factory operators, and the energy cost, etc...

If these products reflected the true cost to the environment, then the higher cost would lead to far lower demand, which would be a big plus for the world.

 

 

 

You’re babbling nonsensically again, veering off-topic and falling back into tired whataboutism. Sorry, but this is where I end my attempt to educate you on basic economics. I’m getting absolutely nothing out of this, and it’s been entirely for your benefit, assuming you’re even capable of comprehending the concepts I’ve been trying to explain.

[GammaGlobulin]

3 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

 

You’re babbling nonsensically again, veering off-topic and falling back into tired whataboutism. Sorry, but this is where I end my attempt to educate you on basic economics. I’m getting absolutely nothing out of this, and it’s been entirely for your benefit, assuming you’re even capable of comprehending the concepts I’ve been trying to explain.

 

OK.

See you, next time....

Enjoyed our chat, however...

 

[Rob Browder]

17 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

1) National Security and self-reliance of the nation - especially for critical industries.
How are you going to do that without enough access to rare earth minerals from China?
 

2) Reliable employment for the citizens of the nation, producing for their fellow citizens.
Your people are way more expensive than Chinese labor, are your country man willing to pay loads more for their products?
 

3) Related to #2 - keeping the wealth of the nation flowing WITHIN its borders - between citizens / local-businesses - vs being siphoned-away via mercantilism.
Any idea how long it will take for a business to relocate operations to a different country?

4) "Financialization" (playing tricks with money) replacing tangible production of goods and services as the driving-force of the nation's economy.
Loads of products you are unable to make in your country.

 

You as most MAGA people have no clue about economics and running a big business.

1) Use our own rare-earths - stopped mining-processing them, but are still there.  Russia is another huge source, if we can pry the Neocons out of power, who are still angry their oligarch-buddies were removed from power in Russia.

 

2) We had no problem paying for products "Made in America" when tariffs kept out cheap products, before - and when wages were much higher than they are, today.  Back then, one paycheck supported a family of 5, easily - plus vacations, higher-ed for the kids, and a retirement fund.

 

3) Re-establishing the supply lines and restoring our factories will take time.  This is why it would have been better to raise the tariffs incrementally, over a longer time.

 

4) Those products will be produced domestically, if people want them, and a local product can be sold at a lower cost than an imported product + tariff. 

 

You globalists really think no one remembers how great things were in the USA before, when we had tariffs to protect domestic-production - When America Was Great? 

 

That said, I emphasize AGAIN, I do not trust Trump to do what he is saying.  It is probably all a lying sales-pitch for some ulterior motive(s).  At best, some manufacturing returns, but with 99% foreign-hires on visas, to make darn sure the Great American Middle-Class never returns.  I don't see him EVER facilitating a tight labor-market, which would make Trump, Musk, Lutnick and their buddies pay Americans a decent wage.

[Rob Browder]

52 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

true cost to the environment

What is that?  How is it calculated - and, more importantly, by WHOM? 

 

If you mean making sure our tariffs cover the "cost savings" of being able to dump toxic crap in other countries, to eliminate that perverse "comparative advantage," then I agree.   If you are buying the "global warming" nonsense, then I don't.

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No matter who needs whom, we will be at war soon, over Taiwan.

Nothing new for the US, always sticking their nose into other countries affairs.

Didn't learn anything from Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.

[Rob Browder]

57 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

You are only trying to kill the messenger. Read the message. Fat Americans don't want to go back to working as factory laborers. Only Trump wants that, but they don't. Did you miss that?

Folks love to make these pronouncements - but always leave out AT WHAT WAGE?   They "forget" that when America was booming, a construction-worker made the equivalent of ~$40/hr, in today's dollars.  Factory workers made significantly more.  Even food-packers were sold middle-class, in the Great America days, before illegal-alien employment laws stopped being enforced on employers.

 

Labor-cost is a TINY FRACTION of the Retail-Cost of most manufactured-goods.  it only "adds up" at-scale - to create board-room bonus money - not significantly cheaper products.  Technology advancements are the primary reason why TVs and such are cheaper now - not "labor cost savings."

 

Lastly, Trump wants CHEAP imported workers - not well-paid Americans - and has said this clearly - along with his buddies Musk and Vivek.  Musk fired American Tesla workers to hire cheaper foreign workers. Trump uses H1Bs, etc - and has a history of hiring Illegal-Aliens for his golf resorts.

[Rob Browder]

Just now, sandyf said:

Nothing new for the US, always sticking their nose into other countries affairs.

Didn't learn anything from Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.

They "learned" it was very profitable for Raytheon, Bechtel, Halliburton, etc.  It's wrecking OUR future with massive-debt and lost / broken lives, but they don't care about us lowly types.

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

They "learned" it was very profitable for Raytheon, Bechtel, Halliburton, etc.  It's wrecking OUR future with massive-debt and lost / broken lives, but they don't care about us lowly types.

But surely the administration doesn't become the administration without support from the "lowly types".

I would have thought that Jan 6th 2021  was a clear indication of what the US population was letting itself in for.

[Rob Browder]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

But surely the administration doesn't become the administration without support from the "lowly types".

I would have thought that Jan 6th 2021  was a clear indication of what the US population was letting itself in for.

The politicians lie, people vote for the lying promises, then they betray us.  It's the same for both the right and left flavors of the Uniparty. 

 

All the "outrages" created for both "sides" seem manufactured, fake, and designed to keep people's attention off of the things that actually affect the quality of their lives.

 

J6 - you mean the honeypot-sting riot Trump helped arrange for his "fans?"   Where his "enemy" (sic), the speaker of the house, refused the required personnel for an event of that size? 

 

Where the guy caught on-video inciting illegal-activity to the crowd got a slap on the wrist, while people who walked in used the bathroom, and left, got a felony-charge and prison-time? 

 

And, where Trump could have pardoned them all on his way out, but didn't?  And, yes, there is court-precedent for the latter.

[sandyf]

7 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

The politicians lie, people vote for the lying promises, then they betray us.

There is a huge difference between a politician that has never been in office, and someone who has.

[PuiPuiHarry]

When we might receive the payback of the USA for spreading the Spanish Flue over Europe and back to the USA again at the end of WW1, with an estimate of 75+ million casualties ?

"The disease was taken to Europe by US troops where it spread throughout Britain and France during 1918.¹ There were three waves of the virus as it mutated, and these became more and more virulent as the disease spread worldwide."

see ://jmvh.org/article/the-navy-and-the-1918-19-influenza-pandemic/  or ://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2862337/   or  Spanish flue spread by US troops transport ships WW1 - Zoeken Video's 

 

Remind: thanks to a total imbicile, the "grab-them-by-the-pussy" president of the USA, a lot of time was wasted to slow down the covid-pandemy in the USA ( same in the U+K, thanks to Johnson).

And till now, even the present Secretary of Health, his unlimited medical whisdom, Kennedy, the situation is still "vaccination is of no use". With some "luck" mazzles will show how stupid the Yanks still are. 97% of the infected are non-vaccinated.

[PuiPuiHarry]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Just curious.

You are a member of the Communist Party of China...

Am I right?

This TikTok image was produced in China, for example.

 

 

Sorry, but.. what has a big laughter about the Yanks, following His Unendless Wisdom, and Biggest lyer in History to do with "Chinese communist party" or a membership of it ? 

Bye-the-way: did "grab-them-by-the-pussy" allrady got Putin on the phone ?

 

see Putin Laughs Upon Being Told He's Running Late for Trump Call - Newsweek www.newsweek.com/watch-putin-laughs-upon-being-told-hes-running-late-trump-call-2046618

[gamb00ler]

23 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

Some think that COVID might have been the last straw.

 

And now, China's virus has finally come home to roost.

 

I believe this might be partly true.

And, some people might even be happy about this.

 

Or, has anyone forgotten China's pandemic, so quickly?

 

Trump has not forgotten it, or us.

 

Go Trump Go???

 

Regards,

Gamma

 

 

oh dear... another tariff twit *sigh*

US residents will be the first to suffer due to the Don's infantile tariff obsession.  In the longer term China will lose export sales after US businesses go through hell trying to rejig their supply chain.  Given the Don's fish out of water flip-flopping US businesses may decide to hang on tight until the Don's tantrum dies down.

[zepplin]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:40 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

Some think that COVID might have been the last straw.

 

And now, China's virus has finally come home to roost.

 

I believe this might be partly true.

And, some people might even be happy about this.

 

Or, has anyone forgotten China's pandemic, so quickly?

 

Trump has not forgotten it, or us.

 

Go Trump Go???

 

Regards,

Gamma

 

 

It should have been 400% in that case! 
you know why the Chinese fought back with another 34% ?

that’s the amount of felonies trump has for corruption, bhaaaaaaaaa

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, zepplin said:

It should have been 400% in that case! 
you know why the Chinese fought back with another 34% ?

that’s the amount of felonies trump has for corruption, bhaaaaaaaaa

 

The Commies are listening to Trump.

They follow him...by the minute....