ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming

[rattlesnake]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

That’s how much taboo there is around this subject, which is itself deeply strange. If science is simply a matter of evidence and causal inference, it should be fearless and not doctrinaire. It should go where evidence leads. 

 

Exactly. As Dr. Suzanne Humphries said about the polio vaccine, she had no skin in the game and went where the facts led her.

[Lacessit]

Due to my travels, I have had more vaccines than most.

 

Unfortunately for the OP, probabilities are not additive.

 

I have also lived longer than the national average for Americans.

 

 

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, phetphet said:

While I don't doubt that some people can have adverse reactions to particular vaccines,  on the whole they provide protection.

What you also seem to be forgetting with your charts are the after effects of some of those diseases on the unvaccinated who survive infection. 

Statistically, long COVID affects far more unvaccinated people than it does those who got vaccinated.

 

At the height of the pandemic, the unvaccinated that did not die were 6-7 times more likely to require ICU admission than the vaccinated.

 

Unfortunately, medical science has not developed a prophylactic for the OP's obsession with irrelevant data.

[rattlesnake]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Statistically, long COVID affects far more unvaccinated people than it does those who got vaccinated.

 

At the height of the pandemic, the unvaccinated that did not die were 6-7 times more likely to require ICU admission than the vaccinated.

 

Unfortunately, medical science has not developed a prophylactic for the OP's obsession with irrelevant data.

 

Dr. Pierre Kory:

"It's hard to overstate what this mRNA vaccine campaign has done. You have depressed... immune systems, so a huge rise in infectious illnesses; we're seeing explosions in cancer; we're seeing [the Yale paper] describing... post-vaccination syndrome..."

"All of my patients have been labeled 'long COVID,' even though 70% of my practice is 'long-vaxxed.' The vax is what triggered it. And people say, 'Well, how do you know?' Well, you take a history—the patients will tell you when they got vaccinated and when their symptoms started." 
 

 

[Peabody]

The chance of death by measles is shown in the chart as 1/106,000,000.

The ACTUAL chance of death by measles in the outbreak in SW USA: 1/250

What a BS post.

[simon43]

OP, I had various vaccinations as a young child.  Now I worry that I will die in this century......

[Red Phoenix]

30 minutes ago, Peabody said:

The chance of death by measles is shown in the chart as 1/106,000,000.
The ACTUAL chance of death by measles in the outbreak in SW USA: 1/250
What a BS post.

 

Let's put things in perspective.

In 2024, the World Health Organization (WHO) European Region reported a total of 127,350 measles cases, Preliminary data up to 6 March 2025 indicate that 38 deaths were associated with measles during that year, so a case-fatality rate of approximately 0.03%.

In comparison the US reported 285 confirmed measles cases in 2024.

And as of April 25, 2025 (today), the United States has reported over 800 confirmed measles cases

Of those 800 cases there have been 2 confirmed deaths, both involving children in Texas, and 1 additional death under investigation.

That's 0,4 % (yes, approx the 1/250 you wrote).  

The point here is of course whether those deaths are caused by measles, or whether other factors (like existing co-morbidities, incorrect hospital treatment, etc.) are at play here. 

The conspiracy theorist in me finds it suspiciously convenient for the vax-pushers to stoke up the fear for what was once a common childhood disease.  With the collapse of their Covid-19 shots (even while it is still on the childhood innoculation scheme) they are in dire need of a new pandemic to get people roll up their sleeves...

[Peabody]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The point here is of course whether those deaths are caused by measles

They were. Give it up.

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Let's put things in perspective.

In 2024, the World Health Organization (WHO) European Region reported a total of 127,350 measles cases, Preliminary data up to 6 March 2025 indicate that 38 deaths were associated with measles during that year, so a case-fatality rate of approximately 0.03%.

In comparison the US reported 285 confirmed measles cases in 2024.

And as of April 25, 2025 (today), the United States has reported over 800 confirmed measles cases

Of those 800 cases there have been 2 confirmed deaths, both involving children in Texas, and 1 additional death under investigation.

That's 0,4 % (yes, approx the 1/250 you wrote).  

The point here is of course whether those deaths are caused by measles, or whether other factors (like existing co-morbidities, incorrect hospital treatment, etc.) are at play here. 

The conspiracy theorist in me finds it suspiciously convenient for the vax-pushers to stoke up the fear for what was once a common childhood disease.  With the collapse of their Covid-19 shots (even while it is still on the childhood innoculation scheme) they are in dire need of a new pandemic to get people roll up their sleeves...

Do Mennonites use modern hospitals?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Dr. Pierre Kory:

"It's hard to overstate what this mRNA vaccine campaign has done. You have depressed... immune systems, so a huge rise in infectious illnesses; we're seeing explosions in cancer; we're seeing [the Yale paper] describing... post-vaccination syndrome..."

"All of my patients have been labeled 'long COVID,' even though 70% of my practice is 'long-vaxxed.' The vax is what triggered it. And people say, 'Well, how do you know?' Well, you take a history—the patients will tell you when they got vaccinated and when their symptoms started." 
 

 

 

I would be quite rich if I had a dollar for every quack posting on social media.

 

They post there for money, because they can't cut the mustard in a normal medical practice.

 

Kory was a proponent of ivermectin treatment of COVID. He had his certifications revoked by the American Board of Internal Medicine for spreading misinformation.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/all-vaccines-will-kill-you-vaccines

https://vaccinechoicecanada.com/

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com

https://chd.tv/

 

All a bunch of anti-vaxers that no one's ever heard of, and have no standing or credibility whatsoever in  the field of public health or vaccines. 

 

But that's what we've come to expect from this particular poster.

 

If there was ANY truth to what's being claimed, does anyone really think it would only be being reported by a bunch of nobody anti-vaxers..... Please!!!

 

 

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I would be quite rich if I had a dollar for every quack posting on social media.

 

They post there for money, because they can't cut the mustard in a normal medical practice.

 

Kory was a proponent of ivermectin treatment of COVID. He had his certifications revoked by the American Board of Internal Medicine for spreading misinformation.

 

So much for "science", eh? Speak against the almighty doxa and face persecution. The message is clear to all those who might be tempted to speak out. The incentive to shut up and just go along with it is immense.

 

History keeps repeating itself… and there is never any shortage of Good Germans to help perpetuate the cycle.

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

All a bunch of anti-vaxers that no one's ever heard of, and have no standing or credibility whatsoever in  the field of public health or vaccines. 

 

But that's what we've come to expect from this particular poster.

 

If there was ANY truth to what's being claimed, does anyone really think it would only be being reported by a bunch of nobody anti-vaxers..... Please!!!

 

 

 

One example of many, former Australian MP Dr. Kerryn Phelps, who was initially pro-vaccine but changed her stance after she and her partner were both seriously injured:

 

Dr Kerryn Phelps reveals ‘devastating’ Covid vaccine injury, says doctors have been ‘censored’

Dr Kerryn Phelps has broken her silence about a “devastating” Covid vaccine injury, slamming regulators for “censoring” public discussion with “threats” to doctors.

[…]

She revealed she had spoken with other doctors “who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent adverse event” but that “vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about”.

“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,” she said.

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Not sure it's been covered - or if I am on the right track based on a quick look at the figures - but isn't the risk so low of getting many of these diseases simply because of past vaccination programs. So because of vaccination a disease is now rare - from an individual point of view  it may now not be necessary to get a particular vaccine unless you are travelling to risky countries.

But if widespread vaccination stops it opens the door to the disease e.g. measles.

So the figures don't seem to be that useful in that sense. 

 

[BritManToo]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

a bunch of anti-vaxers that no one's ever heard of, and have no standing or credibility whatsoever in  the field of public health or vaccines. 

In 1998 I was indirectly involved in making a documentary for Channel 4 about the dangers of MMR vaccines, our lead interviewee was the current director of Great Ormand street children's hospital in London.

 

No one's ever heard of this because while I was standing in the doorway to the editing suite, a man from the ministry walked in with a D notice, this documentary will not be broadcast as it is against the public interest.

[johng]

@BritManToo 

 

Very interesting 🤔 pity some one didnt

accidentally save a copy.

[Will B Good]

Although a small fraction of vaccine doses provoke serious adverse reactions, health professionals agree the benefits of being protected against a wide range of infectious diseases far outweigh the risks. Responding directly to communications from Vaccine Choice Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada stated that the science on vaccines is unequivocal, and laments the actions of "a small but vocal anti-vaccination community that spreads false information. They use powerful emotional images and misinformation with their message. This creates confusion and fear for parents who are trying to make the best decisions for the health and wellbeing of their children." The proportion of Canadians who exhibit vaccine hesitancy is between 20 and 30 percent, connecting the anti-vaccination movement to a rise in populism and a mistrust in expertise.

 

Has the forum rule "only valid sources" been suspended?......or are we just in a headlong rush now to get the  numbers up in order to generate income?

 

[BLMFem]

 

"ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming"

 

I think you should prove it by having one. Take one for the team, okay?

[FolkGuitar]

Ask most riders. The probability is extremely high that you will have an accident one day, especially if you ride a motorcycle every day here in Thailand. That accident may kill you. It certainly does kill a lot of people.

Does that fact stop bike riders? Not very many. We know we're going to die some day. I've been riding daily over 50 years. So far, so good. Will it kill me? Maybe. Will I continue to enjoy the ride until it does? Absolutely!

 

In the case of vaccines, we KNOW that they are very effective in preventing the widespread devastation of many diseases. That's a provable fact. That some people have adverse reactions to it is also a fact. But the percentages of people helped by the vaccines versus the few that have problems are reason enough to protect yourself and your children. At the same time, you are doing a service to your neighbors by reducing the chance of disease spread.

[johng]

29 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Has the forum rule "only valid sources" been suspended?......or are we just in a headlong rush now to get the  numbers up in order to generate income?

This is the off the beaten track subforum...much less censorship here..thank the creator.

[Will B Good]

Just now, johng said:

This is the off the beaten track subforum...much less censorship here..thank the creator.

 

GOD? !!!!

[Red Phoenix]

25 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Has the forum rule "only valid sources" been suspended?......or are we just in a headlong rush now to get the  numbers up in order to generate income?

In case you haven't noticed, we are in the Free Speech corner of AseanNow, as this is a sub-forum of the Off-the-Beaten-Track forum. 

No 'only valid sources' censorship is applied here, so almost by definition you will be confronted here with narrative-challenging facts and opinions that are shunned on the MSM.

[Will B Good]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

In case you haven't noticed, we are in the Free Speech corner of AseanNow, as this is a sub-forum of the Off-the-Beaten-Track forum. 

No 'only valid sources' censorship is applied here, so almost by definition you will be confronted here with narrative-challenging facts and opinions that are shunned on the MSM.

 

You mean unadulterated dross......but I get your meaning.....so is this place what used to be called the Bear Pit?

[johng]

12 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

In the case of vaccines, we KNOW that they are very effective in preventing the widespread devastation of many diseases.

You know because they told you it was so...

[metisdead]

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[johng]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

GOD? !!!!

Upto you. I'm  leaning towards aliens. Same same but different.

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

In the case of vaccines, we KNOW that they are very effective in preventing the widespread devastation of many diseases. That's a provable fact.

It's actually not a provable fact.

Most illness is serious ONLY when the patients are starving or have no access to clean water.

If you look at the stats for disease victims, they always try to include the 3rd world and particularly Africa.

Almost no unvaccinated disease deaths happen in the western world to the healthy, well fed population.

[Pouatchee]

10 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Quote you: Not getting chickenpox means you wont be getting shingles.

 

He just doesnt get it...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re COVID vaccines, let's try look at the actual facts -- which I know is a stretch for this venue: Per the U.S. CDC:

 

Reports of deaths

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination can be concerning. CDC is committed to providing clear and accurate information so that you can make informed, confident decisions about your health.

• Several factors explain reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination. These include:
  • FDA rules that require healthcare providers to report any death after vaccination to VAERS (even if it is unclear that the vaccine was the cause).
  • CDC's reporting requirements for vaccine providers.
  • Increased public awareness of COVID-19 vaccines.
  •  
• Data shows that people who receive COVID-19 vaccines are less likely to die from COVID-19 or COVID-19-related complications than those who are unvaccinated. [emphasis added}

 

• COVID-19 vaccines do not increase the risk of death from non-COVID causes when compared to those who have not been vaccinated.27282930  [emphasis added]

ttps://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/covid-19.html

 

 

[FolkGuitar]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Almost no unvaccinated disease deaths happen in the western world to the healthy, well fed population.

I guess you must mean except for the current Measles problem and the three children who died from it so far?