America has emerged....as an international laughingstock

[metisdead]

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[Scott Tracy]

On 4/28/2025 at 7:27 AM, Cameroni said:

 

No, the goals were to incentivize Powell to lower interest rates earlier than he would usually do, and to incentivize nations to offer the US a new deal in trade. As nations are lining up to give the US what it wants and make new deals, including the UK, it would appear Trump's strategy is working exactly as planned.

Interesting that you knew this was his goal all along. Getting governments to kiss his fat orange ass to get deals. And this despite deals already in place and some signed by him in a previous life. Europe will fund it's own defence now, using it's home grown weapons and shut the US out. As it should be, some will say. Do we need the Orange Savior to come to the rescue on his big white charger? Or is that a Cybertruck I see before me.

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

Interesting that you knew this was his goal all along. Getting governments to kiss his fat orange ass to get deals. And this despite deals already in place and some signed by him in a previous life. Europe will fund it's own defence now, using it's home grown weapons and shut the US out. As it should be, some will say. Do we need the Orange Savior to come to the rescue on his big white charger? Or is that a Cybertruck I see before me.

 

That is as it should be. Trump is helping Europe stand on its own feet. Wherever he goes he makes the world better. A bit like Jesus.

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3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

But they do raise them, the EU lowered barriers internally, but raised tariffs against China.

 

 

They don't. The US has the biggest bond market in the world. Both private and government.

 

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/04/ranked-the-largest-bond-markets-in-the-world/

 

As the focus fades from ultra-cheap prodcuts, but consumers in places like the US are used to paying higher prices, and quality becomes more important, the hunger wages in Asia would lose their rationale.

YOu still haven't explained this comment of yours:

" Well, consumers in the US would not get the opportunity to pay lower prices, US made products will be more expensive, and cheaper imports will be impaired with tariffs, therefore more expensive still.

The US consumer, whether he likes it or not, will have to pay higher prices."

 

Are you predicting an end to representational democracy in the USA?

[S Mart]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:15 AM, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a circus clown. Few expected this level of chaos and such a slide in consumer confidence and poll approval numbers. 

 

Just a few of the insane things this goon has done already. 

 

He turned a legitimate federal employee designation into a loophole. By giving senior officials such as Elon Musk the title “special government employee,” Mr. Trump avoided requirements that they publicly disclose their financial holdings and divest any that present conflicts before taking jobs in the administration.

 

He ended bans that stopped executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists or seeking lobbying jobs themselves for at least two years.

 

He loosened the enforcement of laws that curb foreign lobbying and bribery.

He dismissed the head of the office that polices conflicts of interest among senior officials.

He jettisoned the head of the office that, among other things, protects whistle-blowers and ensures political neutrality in federal workplaces.

 

He purged nearly 20 nonpartisan inspectors general who were entrusted with rooting out corruption within the government.

 

As Mr. Musk’s political activities started to repel many potential customers of Tesla, his electric vehicle company, Mr. Trump lined Tesla vehicles up on the White House driveway and extolled their benefits. Then Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick urged Fox News viewers to buy Tesla shares.

 

DOGE nearly halved the team at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that regulates autonomous vehicles. The agency has been investigating whether Tesla’s self-driving technology played a role in the death of a pedestrian in Arizona.

 

As Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets. It comes as Trump’s trade push upends a decade of American foreign policy — including his own from his first term — toward rallying the rest of the world to join the United States against China. And it threatens to hand Beijing more leverage in any eventual dialogue with the U.S. administration. 

 

Hal Brands, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China will “try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South.”

 

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining. “People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States, particularly for Donald Trump in the U.S. Not for China,” said Li Cheng, professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong. “So in that regard, China gains in the geopolitical landscape.”

In the latest Ipsos poll, for the first time, more people globally now say China has a positive impact on the world than the United States. The pollster cited the broad backlash to Trump’s tariffs. 

 

With Trump saying that countries are “kissing my ass” to negotiate trade deals on his terms or risk stiff import taxes, Beijing is reaching out to countries far and near. It portrays itself as a stabilizing force and a predictable trading partner, both to cushion the impact from Trump’s tariffs and to forge stronger trade ties outside of the U.S. market.

“America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy,” Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech. “Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides. But in reality, each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits.”

 

It’s all a sorry and sordid picture, a president who had already set a new standard for egregious and potentially illegal behavior hitting new lows with metronomic regularity.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/opinion/trump-crypto-musk-spacex.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

You’re the arrogant foolish speaking Clown. Life is bubbling in the USA now his rating zooming up. Gas prices down businesses coming back foreign investors piling in. You couldn’t be more wrong and speaking like a man of great prejudice is obvious. Don’t know where you’re from but obviously not the  USA. Old say “better to silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

 

[retayl]

On 4/28/2025 at 7:54 AM, Cameroni said:

 

Trump advisers say more than 50 countries have reached out for tariff talks with White House

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house

Yep, countries being bullied like Lesotho. US gdp per capita $82,000. Lesotho $900. US really fighting its weight!

[S Mart]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:15 AM, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a circus clown. Few expected this level of chaos and such a slide in consumer confidence and poll approval numbers. 

 

Just a few of the insane things this goon has done already. 

 

He turned a legitimate federal employee designation into a loophole. By giving senior officials such as Elon Musk the title “special government employee,” Mr. Trump avoided requirements that they publicly disclose their financial holdings and divest any that present conflicts before taking jobs in the administration.

 

He ended bans that stopped executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists or seeking lobbying jobs themselves for at least two years.

 

He loosened the enforcement of laws that curb foreign lobbying and bribery.

He dismissed the head of the office that polices conflicts of interest among senior officials.

He jettisoned the head of the office that, among other things, protects whistle-blowers and ensures political neutrality in federal workplaces.

 

He purged nearly 20 nonpartisan inspectors general who were entrusted with rooting out corruption within the government.

 

As Mr. Musk’s political activities started to repel many potential customers of Tesla, his electric vehicle company, Mr. Trump lined Tesla vehicles up on the White House driveway and extolled their benefits. Then Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick urged Fox News viewers to buy Tesla shares.

 

DOGE nearly halved the team at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that regulates autonomous vehicles. The agency has been investigating whether Tesla’s self-driving technology played a role in the death of a pedestrian in Arizona.

 

As Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets. It comes as Trump’s trade push upends a decade of American foreign policy — including his own from his first term — toward rallying the rest of the world to join the United States against China. And it threatens to hand Beijing more leverage in any eventual dialogue with the U.S. administration. 

 

Hal Brands, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China will “try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South.”

 

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining. “People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States, particularly for Donald Trump in the U.S. Not for China,” said Li Cheng, professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong. “So in that regard, China gains in the geopolitical landscape.”

In the latest Ipsos poll, for the first time, more people globally now say China has a positive impact on the world than the United States. The pollster cited the broad backlash to Trump’s tariffs. 

 

With Trump saying that countries are “kissing my ass” to negotiate trade deals on his terms or risk stiff import taxes, Beijing is reaching out to countries far and near. It portrays itself as a stabilizing force and a predictable trading partner, both to cushion the impact from Trump’s tariffs and to forge stronger trade ties outside of the U.S. market.

“America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy,” Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech. “Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides. But in reality, each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits.”

 

It’s all a sorry and sordid picture, a president who had already set a new standard for egregious and potentially illegal behavior hitting new lows with metronomic regularity.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/opinion/trump-crypto-musk-spacex.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

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4 minutes ago, S Mart said:

 

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Trumps tax cuts are conservatively estimated to cost the USA about $700 billion per year. And the lower your income is, the greater the burden due to tariffs.

[RocketDog]

On 4/28/2025 at 1:18 PM, Cameroni said:

Okay, so bargain basement journo nonsense. He claims because Powell wasn't fired and a short reprieve was given on tariffs Trump "rowed" back". Which is of course not true.

 

Both the pressure on Powell and the tariffs were to achieve specific goals, that look likely to be achieved.

Tell me which direction to look please.

 

I'm just not seeing it. 

 

Unless of course the goal is global chaos. 

 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Tell me which direction to look please.

 

I'm just not seeing it. 

 

Unless of course the goal is global chaos. 

 

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

[RocketDog]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

You almost make it sound like Trump has a plan.

 

Nobody is buying that one.

 

What he has is a two week old dead flounder and it's starting to smell.

[Jim Blue]

8 hours ago, Mavideol said:

somebody here, one of the maga blindsided cronies,  claimed he, Trump, did make a deal with Vietnam... another lie

 

 

Trump family money ....Viet investments being targeted big time.

However I am sure that would not influence his decision making in any way !

[retayl]

As a non American with no skin in this game, let me say to all the Trump followers on this forum, your opinion on this topic is irrelevant!  You have no input in other nationalities opinion of your country. USA as existed pre-Trump is gone. America voted to follow a path toward a less influential future ceding that ground in other continents to China and in more limited areas to Russia. The political dynamic in the US is undergoing a dramatic shift from  international hegemony to corporate {oligarchical ) interest. The former served the US & Western Europe very well for over 70 years. I have I idea if the new world order as proposed in Project25 is the way forward but cannot erase the feeling that the movement is for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many and that MAGA crowd will become collateral damage.

 

p.s. Could I respectfully ask you not to reply about “winning” as it both moronic and unhelpful.