America has emerged....as an international laughingstock

[metisdead]

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3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

But they do raise them, the EU lowered barriers internally, but raised tariffs against China.

 

 

They don't. The US has the biggest bond market in the world. Both private and government.

 

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/04/ranked-the-largest-bond-markets-in-the-world/

 

As the focus fades from ultra-cheap prodcuts, but consumers in places like the US are used to paying higher prices, and quality becomes more important, the hunger wages in Asia would lose their rationale.

YOu still haven't explained this comment of yours:

" Well, consumers in the US would not get the opportunity to pay lower prices, US made products will be more expensive, and cheaper imports will be impaired with tariffs, therefore more expensive still.

The US consumer, whether he likes it or not, will have to pay higher prices."

 

Are you predicting an end to representational democracy in the USA?

[S Mart]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:15 AM, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a circus clown. Few expected this level of chaos and such a slide in consumer confidence and poll approval numbers. 

 

Just a few of the insane things this goon has done already. 

 

He turned a legitimate federal employee designation into a loophole. By giving senior officials such as Elon Musk the title “special government employee,” Mr. Trump avoided requirements that they publicly disclose their financial holdings and divest any that present conflicts before taking jobs in the administration.

 

He ended bans that stopped executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists or seeking lobbying jobs themselves for at least two years.

 

He loosened the enforcement of laws that curb foreign lobbying and bribery.

He dismissed the head of the office that polices conflicts of interest among senior officials.

He jettisoned the head of the office that, among other things, protects whistle-blowers and ensures political neutrality in federal workplaces.

 

He purged nearly 20 nonpartisan inspectors general who were entrusted with rooting out corruption within the government.

 

As Mr. Musk’s political activities started to repel many potential customers of Tesla, his electric vehicle company, Mr. Trump lined Tesla vehicles up on the White House driveway and extolled their benefits. Then Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick urged Fox News viewers to buy Tesla shares.

 

DOGE nearly halved the team at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that regulates autonomous vehicles. The agency has been investigating whether Tesla’s self-driving technology played a role in the death of a pedestrian in Arizona.

 

As Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets. It comes as Trump’s trade push upends a decade of American foreign policy — including his own from his first term — toward rallying the rest of the world to join the United States against China. And it threatens to hand Beijing more leverage in any eventual dialogue with the U.S. administration. 

 

Hal Brands, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China will “try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South.”

 

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining. “People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States, particularly for Donald Trump in the U.S. Not for China,” said Li Cheng, professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong. “So in that regard, China gains in the geopolitical landscape.”

In the latest Ipsos poll, for the first time, more people globally now say China has a positive impact on the world than the United States. The pollster cited the broad backlash to Trump’s tariffs. 

 

With Trump saying that countries are “kissing my ass” to negotiate trade deals on his terms or risk stiff import taxes, Beijing is reaching out to countries far and near. It portrays itself as a stabilizing force and a predictable trading partner, both to cushion the impact from Trump’s tariffs and to forge stronger trade ties outside of the U.S. market.

“America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy,” Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech. “Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides. But in reality, each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits.”

 

It’s all a sorry and sordid picture, a president who had already set a new standard for egregious and potentially illegal behavior hitting new lows with metronomic regularity.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/opinion/trump-crypto-musk-spacex.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

You’re the arrogant foolish speaking Clown. Life is bubbling in the USA now his rating zooming up. Gas prices down businesses coming back foreign investors piling in. You couldn’t be more wrong and speaking like a man of great prejudice is obvious. Don’t know where you’re from but obviously not the  USA. Old say “better to silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

 

[retayl]

On 4/28/2025 at 7:54 AM, Cameroni said:

 

Trump advisers say more than 50 countries have reached out for tariff talks with White House

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house

Yep, countries being bullied like Lesotho. US gdp per capita $82,000. Lesotho $900. US really fighting its weight!

[S Mart]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:15 AM, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a circus clown. Few expected this level of chaos and such a slide in consumer confidence and poll approval numbers. 

 

Just a few of the insane things this goon has done already. 

 

He turned a legitimate federal employee designation into a loophole. By giving senior officials such as Elon Musk the title “special government employee,” Mr. Trump avoided requirements that they publicly disclose their financial holdings and divest any that present conflicts before taking jobs in the administration.

 

He ended bans that stopped executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists or seeking lobbying jobs themselves for at least two years.

 

He loosened the enforcement of laws that curb foreign lobbying and bribery.

He dismissed the head of the office that polices conflicts of interest among senior officials.

He jettisoned the head of the office that, among other things, protects whistle-blowers and ensures political neutrality in federal workplaces.

 

He purged nearly 20 nonpartisan inspectors general who were entrusted with rooting out corruption within the government.

 

As Mr. Musk’s political activities started to repel many potential customers of Tesla, his electric vehicle company, Mr. Trump lined Tesla vehicles up on the White House driveway and extolled their benefits. Then Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick urged Fox News viewers to buy Tesla shares.

 

DOGE nearly halved the team at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that regulates autonomous vehicles. The agency has been investigating whether Tesla’s self-driving technology played a role in the death of a pedestrian in Arizona.

 

As Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets. It comes as Trump’s trade push upends a decade of American foreign policy — including his own from his first term — toward rallying the rest of the world to join the United States against China. And it threatens to hand Beijing more leverage in any eventual dialogue with the U.S. administration. 

 

Hal Brands, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China will “try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South.”

 

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining. “People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States, particularly for Donald Trump in the U.S. Not for China,” said Li Cheng, professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong. “So in that regard, China gains in the geopolitical landscape.”

In the latest Ipsos poll, for the first time, more people globally now say China has a positive impact on the world than the United States. The pollster cited the broad backlash to Trump’s tariffs. 

 

With Trump saying that countries are “kissing my ass” to negotiate trade deals on his terms or risk stiff import taxes, Beijing is reaching out to countries far and near. It portrays itself as a stabilizing force and a predictable trading partner, both to cushion the impact from Trump’s tariffs and to forge stronger trade ties outside of the U.S. market.

“America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy,” Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech. “Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides. But in reality, each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits.”

 

It’s all a sorry and sordid picture, a president who had already set a new standard for egregious and potentially illegal behavior hitting new lows with metronomic regularity.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/opinion/trump-crypto-musk-spacex.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

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4 minutes ago, S Mart said:

 

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Trumps tax cuts are conservatively estimated to cost the USA about $700 billion per year. And the lower your income is, the greater the burden due to tariffs.

[RocketDog]

On 4/28/2025 at 1:18 PM, Cameroni said:

Okay, so bargain basement journo nonsense. He claims because Powell wasn't fired and a short reprieve was given on tariffs Trump "rowed" back". Which is of course not true.

 

Both the pressure on Powell and the tariffs were to achieve specific goals, that look likely to be achieved.

Tell me which direction to look please.

 

I'm just not seeing it. 

 

Unless of course the goal is global chaos. 

 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Tell me which direction to look please.

 

I'm just not seeing it. 

 

Unless of course the goal is global chaos. 

 

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

[RocketDog]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

You almost make it sound like Trump has a plan.

 

Nobody is buying that one.

 

What he has is a two week old dead flounder and it's starting to smell.

[Jim Blue]

8 hours ago, Mavideol said:

somebody here, one of the maga blindsided cronies,  claimed he, Trump, did make a deal with Vietnam... another lie

 

 

Trump family money ....Viet investments being targeted big time.

However I am sure that would not influence his decision making in any way !

[retayl]

As a non American with no skin in this game, let me say to all the Trump followers on this forum, your opinion on this topic is irrelevant!  You have no input in other nationalities opinion of your country. USA as existed pre-Trump is gone. America voted to follow a path toward a less influential future ceding that ground in other continents to China and in more limited areas to Russia. The political dynamic in the US is undergoing a dramatic shift from  international hegemony to corporate {oligarchical ) interest. The former served the US & Western Europe very well for over 70 years. I have I idea if the new world order as proposed in Project25 is the way forward but cannot erase the feeling that the movement is for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many and that MAGA crowd will become collateral damage.

 

p.s. Could I respectfully ask you not to reply about “winning” as it both moronic and unhelpful.

[wavodavo]

On 4/28/2025 at 4:27 PM, Cameroni said:

 

No, the goals were to incentivize Powell to lower interest rates earlier than he would usually do, and to incentivize nations to offer the US a new deal in trade. As nations are lining up to give the US what it wants and make new deals, including the UK, it would appear Trump's strategy is working exactly as planned.

 

On 4/28/2025 at 4:27 PM, Cameroni said:

 

No, the goals were to incentivize Powell to lower interest rates earlier than he would usually do, and to incentivize nations to offer the US a new deal in trade. As nations are lining up to give the US what it wants and make new deals, including the UK, it would appear Trump's strategy is working exactly as planned.

That's right cammo , you've got to remember that Trump is a very experienced deal maker. He lays his cards on the table and makes his first offer and then waits for the counter offers The first offer never seals the deal. You can't go from a broke, 4 time bankrupt casino owner to a 2 time president of the USA unless you know how to negotiate to get youself out of the sh*t.  Just relax everybody and wait and  he's only had 100 days and you might get a pleasant surprise.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, wavodavo said:

 

That's right cammo , you've got to remember that Trump is a very experienced deal maker. He lays his cards on the table and makes his first offer and then waits for the counter offers The first offer never seals the deal. You can't go from a broke, 4 time bankrupt casino owner to a 2 time president of the USA unless you know how to negotiate to get youself out of the sh*t.  Just relax everybody and wait and  he's only had 100 days and you might get a pleasant surprise.

 

Absolutely, the progress he has made already is astounding and the trade war is only starting.

[wavodavo]

10 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

 

10 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The first goal is to entice foreign nations to approach the US to negotiate trade deals. Over 100 have approached the US government. Success.

 

The second goal is to put the fear of God into Powell so he lowers interest rates more quickly. We'll find out in June.

Not a bad deal if you ask me.

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Absolutely, the progress he has made already is astounding and the trade war is only starting.

Yep every country in the world NEEDS to deal with the USA because it has the largest economy so give them time and they will all run back to Trump and fall in line becacause they can't afford not to....even China whose economy is in big trouble at the moment.

[wavodavo]

On 4/28/2025 at 3:49 PM, TheAppletons said:

"What’s now increasingly obvious, however, is that Trump is in ragged retreat; he’s compromising all over the shop, such that if the plan was to upend the established global order, one can almost definitely say that, beyond the rhetoric, it is already over.

 

Rank lack of professionalism and organisation has defined the endeavour all along, and now it’s coming apart at the seams. Sensing an administration on the run, no one is any longer hurrying to do a trade deal with the US. From Britain to Canada and beyond, getting the right deal rather than a quick one has become the new mantra."

 

and

 

"Trump has in the meantime made himself – and the US – into an international laughing stock, never mind the damage that policy uncertainty is inflicting on the global economy." 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/26/trumps-attempt-to-upend-the-global-order-defeated/

What a load of codswallop !!

[Cameroni]

39 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

Yep every country in the world NEEDS to deal with the USA because it has the largest economy so give them time and they will all run back to Trump and fall in line becacause they can't afford not to....even China whose economy is in big trouble at the moment.

 

Good point elegantly made.

 

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, wavodavo said:

 

Not a bad deal if you ask me.

 

Yep every country in the world NEEDS to deal with the USA because it has the largest economy so give them time and they will all run back to Trump and fall in line becacause they can't afford not to....even China whose economy is in big trouble at the moment.

but there only 195 countries in the world able to make deals, he claims the have made 200+  deals, where did he find the 5 extra countries

 

Colbert said as Trump. “I made deals with Wakanda, Narnia, McDonald’s Playland, East Korea, and I drove a very hard bargain with the princess of Genovia

'No One's Buying That': Stephen Colbert Nails Trump's Most Bafflingly Weird Claim Yet

 

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/no-ones-buying-stephen-colbert-090325367.html

 

 

 

[RayC]

6 hours ago, wavodavo said:

 

Yep every country in the world NEEDS to deal with the USA because it has the largest economy so give them time and they will all run back to Trump and fall in line becacause they can't afford not to....even China whose economy is in big trouble at the moment.

 

It is difficult to switch suppliers in the very short term, so to that extent it could be argued that the rest of the world NEEDS the US. Obviously, this dependency works the other way as well. (Incidentally, this short term dependency also explains why US tariff revenue is at record levels). However, outside of this very short time-scale it is a different story: Other nations will WANT to deal with the US but very few will NEED to. 

 

On the (US) export side, substitutes for most US goods will be available elsewhere; other things being equal, there shouldn't be any major problems with capacity as goods which were originally destined for the US market can be diverted. All that Trump's tariffs will succeed in doing is reducing the demand for US goods and financially injuring the US producer and ultimately the US consumer.

 

As far as (overseas) exports to the US are concerned; yes, nations will want to deal with the US but not at any price: No deal is better than a bad deal. I suspect that Trump will wrestle a few concessions from nations and claim a great victory, when in reality nothing much will have changed. I doubt very much that there will be a fundamental reordering of the structure of world trade as some posters suggest.

 

Going off on a slight tangent. I am still baffled why Trump believes that relocating cheap textile manufacturing from the likes of Bangladesh and Vietnam - and cheap electrical manufacturing from China - to the US is a good idea. Are these the types of low-paid jobs which the average American worker wants to fill? Even in the unlikely event that is the case, these jobs are likely to very temporary, as capital innovation will probably soon render human labour mostly redundant in these types of industries.

[metisdead]

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[CallumWK]

Have a look at this video, how Bessent is talking around the questions about Trump's lies that he is talking with XI about the tariffs.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-predicts-china-eat-tariffs-204835087.html

[Red Forever]

On 4/28/2025 at 9:41 PM, Cameroni said:

 

Getting 1 million dollars helped of course, but again he is worth  5100 million now. So there was a bit more to it than getting a hands up I suspect.

 

Sure, he got the 400 plus million during the course of his life later, but well, 5100 million. Come on!

You must be getting dizzy now after all the verbal gymnastics you’ve gone through in defending your cult leader and attempting to convince people that he’s a great businessman who had just a modest leg up (and a portfolio of New York real estate) to embark on his career of bankrupting companies, stiffing contractors and students……

 

[CallumWK]

8 hours ago, wavodavo said:

Just relax everybody and wait and  he's only had 100 days and you might get a pleasant surprise.

 

We don't need to wait for the surprise, the surprises are all over the place already. He's not only destroying the US economy, but that of the entire world.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ma-is-slowing-in-us-but-accelerating-worldwide-during-new-trump-era-080058301.html

 

M&A is slowing in US but accelerating worldwide during new Trump era

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stockpiling-ahead-tariffs-likely-hurt-040455055.html

 

Stockpiling ahead of tariffs likely hurt the US economy in the first quarter

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/economy-20-eurozone-countries-grew-090350626.html

 

Economy in 20 eurozone countries grew 0.4% in the first quarter over previous quarter, but Trump tariffs dim outlook

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chip-designer-mediatek-unable-full-083759837.html

 

Chip designer MediaTek unable to give full-year outlook given tariff uncertainty

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dutch-payments-firm-adyens-first-083057975.html

 

Dutch payments firm Adyen's first-quarter sales miss forecasts amid trade uncertainty