O Retirement visa

[Tony Healt]

Mate lets me clarify my situation.

through my own stupidity I removed 50000 from the bank 2 month  after the renewal of the visa . That’s my problem . The money was put back 2 days after the withdrawal. don’t ask .

For the last 10 or 11 years there has always been over a million in the account . For the last 10 or 11 years I have been submitting my visa extension no worries .  I not really interested in applying for a different visa . I stuff up and I just want to know the process to applying for another retirement visa . The current visa still has 10days before expiry yes I do have an in/out permit . 
 

Hope I was able to clarify that a little better this time . Thank you .

[worrab]

3 hours ago, Tony Healt said:

Mate lets me clarify my situation.

through my own stupidity I removed 50000 from the bank 2 month  after the renewal of the visa . That’s my problem . The money was put back 2 days after the withdrawal. don’t ask .

For the last 10 or 11 years there has always been over a million in the account . For the last 10 or 11 years I have been submitting my visa extension no worries .  I not really interested in applying for a different visa . I stuff up and I just want to know the process to applying for another retirement visa . The current visa still has 10days before expiry yes I do have an in/out permit . 
 

Hope I was able to clarify that a little better this time . Thank you .

Personally, I would go to  the office and explain the situation. There is a very slight chance that discretion may be used under the circumstances.

Until you ask, you do not know what the answer will be. And certainly none of us on this forum  will know either! Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

[Equatorial]

5 hours ago, worrab said:

Personally, I would go to  the office and explain the situation.

 

I second that. There is no downside - worst case scenario is they tell you what you're already assuming. 

[DrJack54]

12 hours ago, Tony Healt said:

The current visa still has 10days before expiry yes I do have an in/out permit

One thing immigration are strict on is the financial compliance. 

 

You could run your situation past an agent eg @ThaiVisaCentre.

I'm not suggesting agent on going however that is an option. 

BTW: 10 days remaining is getting down to the wire to consult an agent but still possible. 

 

Your plan of border bounce and transition to Non O will work. 

Suggest you do that with minivan border run company. 

Here is link to one. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/1V4UMpb27x/

 

Assume that you didn't have another account with 50k balance. 

I also messed up start of current extension as tgf dipped it below by 1500b. 

Mention this for others to be aware that you can use two bank accounts. 

 

 

 

[ThaiVisaCentre]

As discussed in the thread, we agree that the best approach is for you to first apply for the extension on your own and explain your situation.

If that doesn’t work, you can then look into getting further assistance.

[Ricardo]

I was once in a similar situation myself, and I would strongly recommend the OP to visit a visa-agent, and ask whether they could help solve the problem. 

 

This will definitely incur a 'special administrative fee', if they can indeed help you !  

[Alex_Ander]

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• Must meet ONE of these financial requirements:
  • A security deposit of 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account for 2 months prior to the visa application.
  • Monthly income of at least 65,000 THB.
  • Combination of security deposit and annual income totaling 800,000 THB.
• Must provide the following documents for the above financial requirements:
  • In the case of the security deposit, you will provide an updated bank book or passbook together with a bank letter stating that the money had been deposited to the account from an overseas source not less than 2 months prior.
  • In the case of a monthly income of at least 65,000 THB, a letter from your embassy in Thailand verifying your monthly income.
  • In cases where your embassy does not issue an income letter, you can provide a 12-month bank statement showing a regular deposit of 65,000 THB into a Thai bank account.

Hi all, 

1. Does monthly income of at least 65,000 THB have to be deposited into a Thai bank account?

2. If the answer to #1 is no, will interest income reflected on my US bank statements suffice? 

3. Will US embassy be willing to issue an income letter?

4. I hear opening a Thai bank account could be challanging. If 65000 THB income option does not work out, how can open a bank account to deposit 800K THB?

Thanks.

[DrJack54]

26 minutes ago, Alex_Ander said:

. Does monthly income of at least 65,000 THB have to be deposited into a Thai bank account?

Yes it does. 

BTW: USA embassy does not providd income letter. 

You would need to show 12 months of 65k + transfers. 

Forget income method for first extension of Non O 

26 minutes ago, Alex_Ander said:

3. Will US embassy be willing to issue an income letter?

No. 

 

26 minutes ago, Alex_Ander said:

I hear opening a Thai bank account could be challanging. If 65000 THB income option does not work out, how can open a bank account to deposit 800K THB?

Why not obtain the Non O e-Visa in USA. 

The 800k can be in foreign bank account. 

With a Non O you will be able to open Thai bank account after you arrive. 

When you enter Thailand with the Non O you will be stamped in for 90 day permission of stay. 

After funds have been in Thai bank account you apply for 12 month extension. 

 

Note: if your plan is to live ongoing in Thailand with annual extensions and you want to use income method then you would start the monthly transfers in addition to maintaining the money in bank financial requirements. 

Then for next extension change to income. 

 

 

 

[Olmate]

Surely you can correct your mistake by talking TO.IO, mistakes are usually easy to confirmvia.your.Bank statements etc?? 

[DrJack54]

23 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Surely you can correct your mistake by talking TO.IO, mistakes are usually easy to confirmvia.your.Bank statements etc?? 

Not sure I follow. 

If the OP, made an error with financial compliance then immigration will not (generally) overlook that. 

[Olmate]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Not sure I follow. 

If the OP, made an error with financial compliance then immigration will not (generally) overlook that. 

I.think OP meant his application didnt reflect his actual true financial situation? 11yrs no problems? 

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, Olmate said:

I.think OP meant his application didnt reflect his actual true financial situation? 11yrs no problems? 

From OP first post...... 

"because of my own negligence, I miss calculated the amount of money I should kept in my account . Yep I know pretty stupid A" 

 

Actually I'm in similar boat. Obtained last extension Nov and  said to Thai partner "all good for another year.

Next day she dipped the 800k under  by 1500.

Immigration are so strict on this. 

[Liquorice]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Actually I'm in similar boat. Obtained last extension Nov and  said to Thai partner "all good for another year.

Next day she dipped the 800k under  by 1500.

No idea why when using the 800K in the bank funds method, it's not deposited in a 'Fixed Term' account, which doesn't have a debit card, and you cannot accidentally withdraw funds that would take you under the financial requirements.

[Tod Daniels]

50 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Immigration are so strict on this

Had a good friend drop his 800K to 400k 90 days after he'd gotten his extension, (thinking it was 90 days instead of 3 calendar months like it's written) and when he went for the year extension the following year the officer said, "9 months ago, you failed to meet the seasoning requirements (by TWO days) for the extension you're on now, so that means IF you go forward with your extension application today you will be found to be on overstay for 9 months, get arrested, deported and banned for 5 years (because you're caught on overstay)

She told him to bounce out/back get a new visa exempt entry stamp, then come back and apply for the 90 day Non-O and 2 months later a new year extension. He NEVER forgot the seasoning is 3 MONTHS after not 90 days 😛  

[DrJack54]

13 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

No idea why when using the 800K in the bank funds method, it's not deposited in a 'Fixed Term' account

Have used FD account previously. 

Currently satisfying money in bank + income method with plan to change to income method next extension. 

For that require savings account. 

[Olmate]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

From OP first post...... 

"because of my own negligence, I miss calculated the amount of money I should kept in my account . Yep I know pretty stupid A" 

 

Actually I'm in similar boat. Obtained last extension Nov and  said to Thai partner "all good for another year.

Next day she dipped the 800k under  by 1500.

Immigration are so strict on this. 

Ohh.ok.i.cant read🤣

[Alex_Ander]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Why not obtain the Non O e-Visa in USA. 

Thank you for the clarification. 800k deposit appears to be an easier route, since 65K income has to be transferred as well.

I'll be applying as a US citizen, and 800k will be wired from one of my US accounts. But do I have to apply for non-O from the US? I am enjoying my life slow-travelling in SEA and didn't have any plans to go back to the US anytime soon. Maybe Laos or any other neigboring country work?

 

Is there an official website that outlines latest and greatest non-O requirements and procedures?

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, Alex_Ander said:

Maybe Laos or any other neigboring country work?

You can obtain Non O at most embassies/consulates.

Current thread running of Non O e-Visa obtained in Vientiane. 

Sounds to good to be true. 

Extremely quick approval. 

One slight negative is you do not pay online. 

You pay at the consulate. 

 

 

[Equatorial]

2 hours ago, Alex_Ander said:

Is there an official website that outlines latest and greatest non-O requirements and procedures?

 

I applied for Non O at the LA consulate and I don't know if this is true for other consulates and embassies, but the consulate web site listed exactly what document they required for Non O. It was an easy process to follow. Surprisingly so 

[Alex_Ander]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Current thread running of Non O e-Visa obtained in Vientiane. 

It sounds like the author went to Laos only to pay the visa fee. I wonder if I can apply and pay online while applying for a visa at a Thai embassy/consulate servicing WA state while staying in SEA? Or am I missing something?

[Alex_Ander]

15 minutes ago, Equatorial said:

It was an easy process to follow.

How long did it take for you to get approved?

Did you pay online?

Did you have to be physically present in the US?

Thanks.

[DrJack54]

20 minutes ago, Alex_Ander said:

I wonder if I can apply and pay online while applying for a visa at a Thai embassy/consulate servicing WA state while staying in SEA? Or am I missing something?

You apply for the eVisa after you have entered the country. 

To apply for eVisa for Thailand from eg Vientiane... You need to have entered Laos. 

[Equatorial]

1 hour ago, Alex_Ander said:

How long did it take for you to get approved?

Did you pay online?

Did you have to be physically present in the US?

 

1/ They came back the next day and asked for an additional document that was not on the original list. I just checked, they asked for "An Invitation Letter from the Family Member." (I was applying for marriage-based Non O.) I submitted that additional document the same day. I received an email with the approved e-visa 6 calendar days after I submitted the application. 

 

2/ Yes, at the time of submitting the application. 

 

3/ I don't know if I had to be. But I was so I didn't give it another thought. I do not recall being asked where I physically reside.

 

But I would be extremely careful with applying through a country where I am not physically present, as I suspect there must be some rules about this. And if there are, I suspect the penalties for violating those rules might be stiff.

 

Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge can elaborate.

[Tod Daniels]

1 hour ago, Alex_Ander said:

Did you have to be physically present in the US?

 

As DrJack54 said,
you go to the US,
you apply for the visa thru the eVisa webportal, selecting the thai consulate which serves the state where you are (in your case if you're in Washington state you use the Los Angeles consulate) and you wait in the US until the visa is approved or rejected. They will email you the PDF file that is the visa if it's approved, you print that and give it with your passport to the officer at passport control when you stamp in to thailand

On their website they state the processing time

[Liquorice]

10 hours ago, Alex_Ander said:

Hi all, 

1. Does monthly income of at least 65,000 THB have to be deposited into a Thai bank account?

2. If the answer to #1 is no, will interest income reflected on my US bank statements suffice? 

3. Will US embassy be willing to issue an income letter?

4. I hear opening a Thai bank account could be challanging. If 65000 THB income option does not work out, how can open a bank account to deposit 800K THB?

Thanks.

1. Yes.

2. No, interest income reflected on your US bank statement is not accepted.

3. The US Embassy no longer issue Income letters.

4. You'd need to open a Thai bank account to use either the 65K monthly transfer method, or the 800K deposit method.

 

As @DrJack54 pointed out, obtaining a Non Imm O visa from the Thai Embassy in the US to enter Thailand could help with opening a Thai bank account.

For the very first extension of stay, you would need to deposit 800K in a Thai bank account in your sole name.

For the monthly income method, you need evidence of 12 x 65K transfers.

 

You could deposit the 800K, then also immediately start monthly transfers of 65K, then for your second extension change from 800K funds in the bank method to the monthly 65K transfers, as you'd then have 12 x 65K monthly overseas transfers.