Ship carrying 200 people hits the Brooklyn Bridge as search and rescue operation underway

[Gobbler]

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So the takeaway lesson is to not make conclusions and assumptions when you do not have all of the relevant facts.

 

Isn't this the wrong place to desire facts?  Most nudniks here can't have that; they would prefer to shoot from the hip.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

 

I can’t find anything saying she was making way astern do you have a link?

 

Take a good look at the VDO's, Tug.

[Gobbler]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Did you see the post i replied to?

Irrevalent.

[Gobbler]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Did you see the post i replied to?

If you need to have something else to explain your response, then it's your fault for not being clear.  Trump has nothing to do with this ship, so the comment is ridiculous.

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

If you need to have something else to explain your response, then it's your fault for not being clear.  Trump has nothing to do with this ship, so the comment is ridiculous.

A ridiculous answer to a ridiculous post. A post where trump was mentioned, why not call that poster out.

Do you really think it out of the question the administration will blame this on DEI?

[Gobbler]

Just now, stevenl said:

A ridiculous answer to a ridiculous post. A post where trump eas mentioned, why not call that poster out.

Do you really think it out of the question the administration will blame this on DEI?

The administration can also blame it on aliens.  Stop it. 

 

 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

The administration can also blame it on aliens.  Stop it. 

 

 

If MTG gets involved, they will.

Still waiting for you to call out the poster i replied to.

[Captain Flack]

Troll post breaking forum rules removed. @Gobbler

[GammaGlobulin]

On 5/18/2025 at 9:38 AM, KhunLA said:

Oops ... well that should have never happened.   What's with the 'search & rescue' ?  Did a few cadets jump overboard to avoid falling debris ?

 

Since sailors, one would expect they know how to swim.

 

147 foot mast, usually doesn't fit under a 127 foot 'low tide' clearance of the Brooklyn bridge 

 

 

 

This is why they need to teach math to both navigators and pilots.

 

Sometimes, GPS is not enough.

 

You need to take into account high and low tides at different days of the year.

 

Obviously, the navigator on the Mexican vessel had never heard of Bowditch.

 

Or maybe, he was looking at the chart for San Francisco, and the Golden Gate bridge.

 

They don't call them tall ships for nothing, ....maybe...

 

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

This is why they need to teach math to both navigators and pilots.

 

Sometimes, GPS is not enough.

 

You need to take into account high and low tides at different days of the year.

 

Obviously, the navigator on the Mexican vessel had never heard of Bowditch.

 

Or maybe, he was looking at the chart for San Francisco, and the Golden Gate bridge.

 

They don't call them tall ships for nothing, ....maybe...

 

 

I'm sure that the Captain and officers were properly trained and certified but the ship was not under command as it approached the bridge, due to what looks to be the main engine stuck in reverse gear, taking the ship fast astern. There was at least one tug close by, I assume to assist the vessel off the dock and out into the channel. I'm just surprised that they were not connected together with a standby tow line, at least until the ship was clear of the bridge and underway ahead, so that this incident might have been managed and avoided.  

[Tug]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Take a good look at the VDO's, Tug.

Yea I found one that shows it someone really flogged the dog on that one!a lot of careers ruined and 2 lives lost not to mention the damage done to that beautiful vessel….sad 

[Gobbler]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Yea I found one that shows it someone really flogged the dog on that one!a lot of careers ruined and 2 lives lost not to mention the damage done to that beautiful vessel….sad 

Perhaps the rules and port regulations should be amended to dock ships like this further away from the bridge. The clearance required for this tall ship should be taken into account when assigning berths.

[josephbloggs]

On 5/18/2025 at 9:38 AM, KhunLA said:

Oops ... well that should have never happened.   What's with the 'search & rescue' ?  Did a few cadets jump overboard to avoid falling debris ?

 

Since sailors, one would expect they know how to swim.

 

147 foot mast, usually doesn't fit under a 127 foot 'low tide' clearance of the Brooklyn bridge 

 

 

You can clearly see people falling from the rigging from great heights.

"Would expect them to know how to swim". Jeez.

[Gobbler]

17 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You can clearly see people falling from the rigging from great heights.

"Would expect them to know how to swim". Jeez.

 

I fly airplanes. I am also afraid of heights.

 

Next?

[Grumpy one]

19 hours ago, John Drake said:

Why was it going backwards?

Trump ordered the Mexicans to be pushed back from the border  

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

You can clearly see people falling from the rigging from great heights.

"Would expect them to know how to swim". Jeez.

Didn't notice people falling.

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, Gobbler said:

 

I fly airplanes. I am also afraid of heights.

 

Next?

Eh?

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So the takeaway lesson is to not make conclusions and assumptions when you do not have all of the relevant facts.

May want to reread my post, as I didn't make any assumptions or conclusions.

 

Not enough info to do so.

[impulse]

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

You can clearly see people falling from the rigging from great heights.

"Would expect them to know how to swim". Jeez.

 

Sure.  Now. 

 

But in the early hours, the videos were mostly lower quality and/or from quite a distance.

 

[John Drake]

On 5/18/2025 at 9:38 AM, KhunLA said:

Since sailors, one would expect they know how to swim.

 

 

Maybe not. It seems their predecessors didn't. 

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Traditionally, most sailors through the 19th century couldn’t swim. The British Royal Navy preferred it that way because men who could not swim had more incentive to remain on board and keep the ship afloat. Life vests of that era were also discouraged because a square-rigged ship sailing downwind wasn’t coming back to find an overboard sailor in the frigid waters of the North Atlantic. So, why prolong the inevitable? Closer to shore, life vests were denied to prevent non-swimming sailors, some of whom were conscripted from city jails, from escaping their imprisonment. https://americansailing.com/articles/swim-to-sail/#:~:text=Traditionally%2C most sailors through the,and keep the ship afloat.

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Peabody]

8 hours ago, Tug said:

 

I can’t find anything saying she was making way astern do you have a link?

She appears to be leaving a wake, i.e., moving faster than the water is moving. Either engines running in reverse or a very strong wind (or both?).

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

You can clearly see people falling from the rigging from great heights.

"Would expect them to know how to swim". Jeez.

 

You are talking about people that probably included the dead. Be ashamed.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Yea I found one that shows it someone really flogged the dog on that one!a lot of careers ruined and 2 lives lost not to mention the damage done to that beautiful vessel….sad 

 

I'm not sure I understand that particular terminology but, yes, all very sad.

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

You are talking about people that probably included the dead. Be ashamed.

Be ashamed???

I was replying to a poster that disrespectfully criticised the deaths by saying sailors should be able to swim. I pointed out you can clearly see people falling (ie. they didn't just drown because they didn't know to swim).

Now untwist your knickers please.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Be ashamed???

I was replying to a poster that disrespectfully criticised the deaths by saying sailors should be able to swim. I pointed out you can clearly see people falling (ie. they didn't just drown because they didn't know to swim).

Now untwist your knickers please.

 

I see. I missed the "  " marks.

 

So sorry.

[josephbloggs]

58 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I see. I missed the "  " marks.

 

So sorry.

No worries.

[impulse]

9 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Obviously, the navigator on the Mexican vessel had never heard of Bowditch.

 

Or maybe, he was looking at the chart for San Francisco, and the Golden Gate bridge.

 

Or maybe there was a mechanical problem and the navigator is blameless.  I doubt that he called for "full speed behind".