Humza Yousaf: Immigration gamble by Labour a dangerous mistake

[JonnyF]

11 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Scotland is hardly impacted by mass immigration because the vast majority of migrants head for London and the south east of England.

 

Yeah Scots traditionally love to talk the talk. Not so good at walking the walk though.

 

Same reason that there are so many Scottish football pundits yet so few decent Scottish players. 

 

Let them experience what's happened in many English cities and then see how keen they are on immigration. Until then, let them pontificate.   

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah Scots traditionally love to talk the talk. Not so good at walking the walk though.

 

 

Care to elaborate?

[The Cyclist]

On 5/21/2025 at 12:05 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

Appears to be a 2 horse race according to Tice. 

 

Hamilton by-election a two-horse race between SNP and Reform, claims Tice

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/richard-tice-reform-hamilton-scotland-holyrood-b1228332.html

 

last Fridays By-election 

 

• Kevin Crawford - Scottish National Party (SNP) - 1331
• David Smith - Reform UK - 919
• Maureen McGlinchey - Scottish Labour Party - 770

That result doesn't suggest that

 

On 5/21/2025 at 10:22 AM, RuamRudy said:

Farage is widely despised in Scotland. We see him for what he is. 

 

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

last Fridays By-election 

 

 

• Kevin Crawford - Scottish National Party (SNP) - 1331
• David Smith - Reform UK - 919
• Maureen McGlinchey - Scottish Labour Party - 770

That result doesn't suggest that

 

 

If you want to place your hopes on a council by-election which got a 25% turnout then by all means go for it. 

 

Whilst the pervasive creep of Farage's lies and racism is undoubtedly attractive to some, I am confident that the decent majority will continue to show him and Reform PLC the contempt they deserve. 

 

 

[The Cyclist]

13 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

If you want to place your hopes on a council by-election which got a 25% turnout then by all means go for it. 

 

I, personally could not care less about Council by-elections.

 

Labour and the Tories are absolutely panicking about their spanking at local Council By-elections.:So they must be of some importance to Political Parties.

 

13 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Whilst the pervasive creep of Farage's lies and racism

 

Take your evidence of this to PC Plod. I believe that the UK has some strictly enforced rules over this.

And I think if there was any truth in those rumours, better people than you would already have taken action. Not as if 2 Tier Kiers stormtroopers are afraid to wade in on anything that appears to be right wing.

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

Take your evidence of this to PC Plod. I believe that the UK has some strictly enforced rules over this.

 

And tell them what? Farage is a liar and a racist? To the best of my knowledge neither are illegal. 

[The Cyclist]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

And tell them what? Farage is a liar and a racist? To the best of my knowledge neither are illegal. 

 

Your knowledge is wrong

 

Racism is a hate crime in the UK.

 

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Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

• demonstrated hostility based on race, 

 

I guess there is no evidence of him being a racist, or he would be in jail.

[RuamRudy]

On 5/23/2025 at 10:05 AM, The Cyclist said:

 

Your knowledge is wrong

 

Racism is a hate crime in the UK.

 

 

I guess there is no evidence of him being a racist, or he would be in jail.

 

I am not wrong. It is not illegal to hold views which could be classed as racist. Being racist and demonstrating hostility based upon race are not the same thing.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I am not wrong. It is not illegal to hold views which could be classed as racist. Being racist and demonstrating hostility based upon race are not the same thing.

 

Everything seems to need a label these days.

 

I share Thailand's protectionist views but if I expressed them in the UK I am sure that I would be labelled racist.

[The Cyclist]

52 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I am not wrong. It is not illegal to hold views which could be classed as racist. Being racist and demonstrating hostility based upon race are not the same thing.

 

Was this not you ?
 

On 5/22/2025 at 5:58 PM, RuamRudy said:

Whilst the pervasive creep of Farage's lies and racism

 

If he has shown racism, then his detractors would be hounding PC Plod to have him arrested.

 

As for lies, the SNP seem to be out in a league of their own, as far as lies are concerned.

[RuamRudy]

30 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Was this not you ?
 

 

If he has shown racism, then his detractors would be hounding PC Plod to have him arrested.

 

As for lies, the SNP seem to be out in a league of their own, as far as lies are concerned.

 

It seems that you are struggling to separate the holding of racist beliefs from actively being hostile to someone because of their race. That's for you to work out; I can't help you understand. 

[The Cyclist]

32 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

It seems that you are struggling to separate the holding of racist beliefs from actively being hostile to someone because of their race.

 

I am not struggling with anything, you said, and I quote

 

On 5/22/2025 at 5:58 PM, RuamRudy said:

Whilst the pervasive creep of Farage's lies and racism is undoubtedly attractive to some,

 

It's there in black and white, you called out Farage's racism, but cannot back it up.

 

You are the one struggling.

 

And I'll leave it that and come back after the Hamilton By-election, which I believe the result will blow another one of your little fibs right out the water.

 

Reform will come 1st or 2nd, which does not equate to your assertion that

 

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Farage is widely despised in Scotland. We see him for what he is. 

 

See ya on the 06 June, I won't point and laugh, honest 

[The Cyclist]

On 5/21/2025 at 10:22 AM, RuamRudy said:

Farage is widely despised in Scotland. We see him for what he is. 

 

 

 

 

 

Reform seems to have done quite well, despite Farage being despised in Scotland.

 

The only Party that headed upwards.

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

 

 

 

Reform seems to have done quite well, despite Farage being despised in Scotland.

 

The only Party that headed upwards.

 

The party in a self proclaimed 'two horse race' with the SNP comes third. I did laugh even louder than I normally do when I see the guff that Reform PLC comes out with. 

 

But hopefully it serves as a wake up call to decent Scots everywhere. We cannot be complacent and think that we are immune to the pervasive lies and dog whistle racism of Farage and his band of snake oil salesman. 

 

Just as they have poisoned English politics with their populist empty rhetoric, there is a possibility of them doing the same in Scotland. Let's hope that this dose of reality propels the decent majority to turn our backs to them.

[The Cyclist]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The party in a self proclaimed 'two horse race' with the SNP comes third. I did laugh even louder than I normally do when I see the guff that Reform PLC comes out with. 

 

That wasn't part of your contention.

 

You shouldn't really be laughing at a Party that came from nowhere to take 26% of the vote.

 

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

But hopefully it serves as a wake up call to decent Scots everywhere. We cannot be complacent and think that we are immune to the pervasive lies and dog whistle racism of Farage and his band of snake oil salesman. 

 

Don't know how old you are, but Einstein declared madness as doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.

 

Labour / SNP for decades have sent Scotland to rack and ruin, between them.

 

Voting them in again, expecting change, meets Einstein's theory of madness.

 

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Just as they have poisoned English politics with their populist empty rhetoric, there is a possibility of them doing the same in Scotland

 

Did you manage to type that with a straight face ? Or did the Irony completely bypass you ?
 

Dogwhistle and grievance Politics was the SNP speciality.

[bannork]

It amazed me that Reform had a Muslim as its chairman, Zia Yusuf.

Clever really as not are his admin skills widely admired,  but it provided an opportunity for Reform to reach out to the Muslim community and claim it was a party open to all, though I wouldn't have thought many Muslims  would be  expected to support Reform, a party with a large percentage of avowed racists.

Still, bringing up banning the burqa in Parliament when it wasn't even party policy yet proved too much for the chair though some say he was on the way out anyway as he 'struggled with relationships', lol.

There should be a debate about the burqa but it's hardly a burning issue, though it was amusing to hear Richard Tice saying 8 EU countries have fully or partially banned it so the UK should look into it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Cyclist]

On 6/6/2025 at 2:55 PM, bannork said:

Still, bringing up banning the burqa in Parliament when it wasn't even party policy yet proved too much for the chair though some say he was on the way out anyway as he 'struggled with relationships',

 

You missed the context of the question, which wasn't about banning the burqa. It was a trap for Starmers closer moves to the EU, where other Countries have banned the burqa.

 

Anyway, interesting article from the Guardian

 

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Less than 48 hours later, Yusuf said his decision to quit was a “mistake” that had resulted from “exhaustion” after working long hours and facing reams of racist abuse on social media.

Farage and Yusuf announced on Saturday that Yusuf would return to the fold and would take on several jobs, though his formal title has not been announced.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/07/zia-yusuf-return-reform-uk

[bannork]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You missed the context of the question, which wasn't about banning the burqa. It was a trap for Starmers closer moves to the EU, where other Countries have banned the burqa.

 

Anyway, interesting article from the Guardian

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/07/zia-yusuf-return-reform-uk

All those bottles of champagne that party members cracked open in delight at his departure, will now have to be resealed, lol.

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

All those bottles of champagne that party members cracked open in delight at his departure, will now have to be resealed, lol.

 

But shareholders in Reform PLC will no doubt be happy at another cash injection into the company. 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

All those bottles of champagne that party members cracked open in delight at his departure, will now have to be resealed, lol.

 

   Which party members wanted him to leave ?

[bannork]

Reform are lucky the next election is years away. Recently they couldn't find a suitable representative to send to the popular 'Any Questions' programme.

A shortage of people with political skills.