Starmer’s Brexit Reset: A Strategic Shift or a Sacrifice?

[jas007]

So the Globalists are going to weasel their way back into the UK one way or the other?  That's too bad.  

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

So the Globalists are going to weasel their way back into the UK one way or the other?  That's too bad.  

 

 

Yes, it seems that is easier to bend over than challenge them.

[RayC]

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

  

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Decline in importance?

 

You consider 0.06% and 0.4% of GDP to be significant?

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Is that because you don't like fish? 

 

I eat fish but I much prefer eating it in Thailand rather than Europe.

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Why do you think that fishing rights are always near the top of EU demands?  

 

Because the other EU member states bow to pressure from France and Spain, who in turn are reacting to domestic pressure. 

 

As I said previously, why the other EU member states are so acquiescent to France and Spain is a mystery to me as the fishing industry's role in any EU - UK negotiations is completely out of all proportion to its' economic significance.

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Most continental Europeans love fish but these days many countries have limited access to quantity and quality.

 

Really? Any data to back that up?

 

Fish imports to the EU are declining. One can speculate on the reasons why.

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

The Dutch and French having some of the most environmentally damaging fleets, tactics and  methods don't help. The Spanish are also guilty of this

 

The inference being that the UK fleet is environmentally sound? Again, any data to support your assertions (and inference)? 

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

and are still plundering African waters illegally too.

 

Allegedly.

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How has the UK been shrewd? What did we get in return for this price you say is so "worth" paying for? 

 

(1) Easier access to the EU market for farming products

 

(2) Easier passage for UK travellers at EU ports 

 

(3) Job opportunities for young Brits in the EU (tbc)

 

(4) Possibility of billion Euro contracts being awarded to UK defence companies (tbc)

 

Price paid: Loss of 0.4% of UK GDP if UK fishing industry were to disappear completely (It won't).

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Fishing would account for a lot more in terms of percentage of UK GDP if we could fully control out waters and stocks again.

 

 

How are you going to replenish fishing stocks while at the same time increasing the volume of sales?

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If UK fish were totally denied to the EU then there would probably be riots in Paris, at least.

 

At least .... 😂. No doubt 'The Terror' would  pale in comparison.

 

What ridiculous hyperbole. 

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Retaining access to a large supply of UK fish seems to be more a symbolic show of power (over the UK) by the EU rather than an economic necessity. Fishing is an important political lever which needs a sharp pull.

 

 

Agreed but fishing is of less symbolic importance in the UK now compared with France, so imo a shrewd negotiating ploy by the UK to use it.

 

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

It might have escaped your notice, but both Starmer and Labour have been making loud noises about reducing legal migration.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/11/will-labours-immigration-changes-make-a-clean-break

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/uk-labour-government-toughens-immigration-plans-as-far-right-gains-support

 

So how youth mobility of potentially millions of EU people into the UK can be seen as a positive absolutely defies belief.

 

It takes a special kind of mentalism to miss the irony, the blatant lies, and the utter cluelessness of the current Government.

 

The youth mobility programs are aimed at students and young people who want to work in the UK/EU for a limited period, they eventually leave.

 

This was true of thousands of young Europeans who while the UK were in the EU came to the UK to study or work for limited period before returning home.

 

These have now been replaced with permanent immigrants from Asia and Africa.

 

[RayC]

30 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

It might have escaped your notice, but both Starmer and Labour have been making loud noises about reducing legal migration.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/11/will-labours-immigration-changes-make-a-clean-break

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/uk-labour-government-toughens-immigration-plans-as-far-right-gains-support

 

So how youth mobility of potentially millions of EU people into the UK can be seen as a positive absolutely defies belief.

 

It takes a special kind of mentalism to miss the irony, the blatant lies, and the utter cluelessness of the current Government.

 

 

It has clearly by-passed you but the rules governing any youth mobility scheme will not be the same as those covering wider immigration. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, any youth mobility scheme will be limited to those under a certain age (in all probability no more than 35; possibly 30).

 

In the year ending June 2015, 270,000 EU nationals of all ages had immigrated to the UK for more than a year, so the idea that millions of young EU citizens will take advantage of this scheme and descend upon the UK is clearly nonsensical. 

 

Notwithstanding the opportunity this initiative affords British youngsters to live and work in Europe, it may well help the hospitality sector - amongst others - in the UK who - like pre-Brexit times - will be able to employ young EU nationals on short-term contracts: A move that will satisfy both parties.

[RayC]

43 minutes ago, jas007 said:

So the Globalists are going to weasel their way back into the UK one way or the other?  That's too bad.  

 

Globalists? I thought the EU were Protectionists?

 

I do wish Brexiters could decide which one it is.

[The Cyclist]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The youth mobility programs are aimed at students and young people who want to work in the UK/EU for a limited period, they eventually leave.

 

Sure

 

Just like the 3 million that were supposed to be in the UK that morphed into 6.5 million.

 

Procrastinate all you like.

 

It is mentalism at its finest to shout about curbing migration, then sign up to a youth mobility scheme.

 

That will no doubt be utilised by all the newly minted EU Citizens, that have arrived in the EU in the last decade or so.

 

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your gross naivety and stupidity.

[The Cyclist]

30 minutes ago, RayC said:

It has clearly by-passed you but the rules governing any youth mobility scheme will not be the same as those covering wider immigration

 

The idiocy of pontificating about curbing immigration and then signing a deal that could allow millions into the UK, clearly passed you by.

 

[The Cyclist]

32 minutes ago, RayC said:

It has clearly by-passed you but the rules governing any youth mobility scheme will not be the same as those covering wider immigration. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, any youth mobility scheme will be limited to those under a certain age (in all probability no more than 35; possibly 30).

 

On what planet are 30 or 35 year olds considered " Youths " ?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

On what planet are 30 or 35 year olds considered " Youths " ?

 

Pedantic.

 

I'm sure that it could be relabelled, 'Young Persons ...' 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

The idiocy of pontificating about curbing immigration and then signing a deal that could allow millions into the UK, clearly passed you by.

 

 

The scheme will not allow millions into the UK. If 2015 figures are anything to go by, in all probability there will be 100k EU nationals or so heading to the UK annually, and +/-30k Brits heading in the opposite direction. No one will have the right to permanent residency through this scheme.

 

I can't understand why there is an objection to this scheme which will allow young people to broaden their horizons. It's an objection for objection's sake.

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

You now seem to be using incoherence as a debating tactic; a truly fascinating ploy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

Gibberish again as usual/every day.

If you don't have anything to contribute ...as always....just shut up for a while/month/year/forever 

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

Labour have been trying to reverse Brexit from day 1, including the disasterous misreading of public opinion which lost them the 2019 general election.

 

Since Labour came to power, Starmer has:

 

1. Had his political enemies arrested, jailed, denied bail, fast-tracked their trials before they had time to mount a defence, and publicly announced that he's expecting 'harsh sentences'

 

2. Given away pensioners' winter fuel allowance to pay the hotel bills of economic migrants

 

3. Introduced inheritance tax for farmers, priming them for re-entry into the CAP due to the need for subsidies

 

4. Re-introduced freedom of movement for EU workers

 

5. Sold the fisherman down the river (again)

 

When did the UK become a banana republic? 🤔

It seems you live in a parallel world.😳

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Gibberish again as usual/every day.

If you don't have anything to contribute ...as always....just shut up for a while/month/year/forever 

 

Once again you demonstrate that the only tools in your armoury, and consequently your only contributions, are contradiction, personal insults, and cognitive incoherence.

 

You behave like a kid in a ‘yes it is, no it isn’t’ playground exchange, continually under the misconception that as long as you are the last to speak, you have somehow won the exchange; this belief drives you to continually embarrass  yourself, so keep it coming, it’s great entertainment.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Once again you demonstrate that the only tools in your armoury, and consequently your only contributions, are contradiction, personal insults, and cognitive incoherence.

 

You behave like a kid in a ‘yes it is, no it isn’t’ playground exchange, continually under the misconception that as long as you are the last to speak, you have somehow won the exchange; this belief drives you to continually embarrass  yourself, so keep it coming, it’s great entertainment.

 

 

 

Said without one iota of introspection.

 

Your first paragraph is an accurate diagnosis for what you served up for the second.

[OJAS]

17 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You don't even know his name .... absolutely hilarious, most embarrassing comment on here so far this year.

 

Well, if @newbee2022 had said Rishi, Liz or Boris instead of Sir Keir, you might have had a point!

 

[newbee2022]

11 minutes ago, OJAS said:

 

Well, if @newbee2022 had said Rishi, Liz or Boris instead of Sir Keir, you might have had a point!

 

Starmer for me is the best. He tries to stay close to EU and doesn't follow the error path initiated by Brexit. Europe without UK is ridiculously wrong and also vice versa.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He hasn’t rolled back Brexit.

 

None of the things in this deal were listed in the Brexit vote.

 

 

What list?

[Chomper Higgot]

The earth shattering importance of this deal to Reform is confirmed by only two Reform MPs attending the debate on the matter in Parliament, neither of which was Farage.

 

 

 

[The Cyclist]

50 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Starmer for me is the best. He tries to stay close to EU and doesn't follow the error path initiated by Brexit. Europe without UK is ridiculously wrong and also vice versa.

 

And that highlights the major failings of the sycophants.

 

They do not even know the difference between the EU and Europe.

 

This was discussed months ago, but is as pertinent to this thread as it was to that one

 

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The number of pupils at private schools has fallen by more than 13,000 in 12 months, a record drop that head teachers blame largely on the introduction of VAT on fees in January.

 

It is only 13,000 will come the cry.

 

Yebbut..... Oops

 

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The figures cast doubt on the government’s prediction that only 3,000 children would leave the private sector during the 2024-25 academic year as a result of the tax,

 

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/private-school-exodus-of-13000-dwarfs-ministers-predictions-sm6pf5qv5

 

Everything Labour touches..... Turns to horse manure.

 

[newbee2022]

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

And that highlights the major failings of the sycophants.

 

They do not even know the difference between the EU and Europe.

 

This was discussed months ago, but is as pertinent to this thread as it was to that one

 

 

It is only 13,000 will come the cry.

 

Yebbut..... Oops

 

 

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/private-school-exodus-of-13000-dwarfs-ministers-predictions-sm6pf5qv5

 

Everything Labour touches..... Turns to horse manure.

 

Happens only in your view onto Labour. 

The reality is different

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

What list?

1. Leave the EU?

2. Remain in the EU?

 

 

[The Cyclist]

14 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Happens only in your view onto Labour. 

The reality is different

 

Only happens in my view ?
 

What have Labour achieved in the last year 

 

1. Record numbers of Illegal Immigrants

 

2. Unemployment heading up

 

3. National Debt heading up

 

4. Interest on the National Debt heading up.

 

5. increased hatred in the Labour Party.

 

* Pensioners

 

* Farmers

 

* The disabled

 

* Actual workers

 

* Fishermen

 

The only people happy with Labour are Illegal Gimmegrants.

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The earth shattering importance of this deal to Reform is confirmed by only two Reform MPs attending the debate on the matter in Parliament, neither of which was Farage.

 

 

 

 

Well, it's not like there was a vote or anything.

 

It looks like a statement of disgust to me.

[newbee2022]

36 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Only happens in my view ?
 

What have Labour achieved in the last year 

 

1. Record numbers of Illegal Immigrants

 

2. Unemployment heading up

 

3. National Debt heading up

 

4. Interest on the National Debt heading up.

 

5. increased hatred in the Labour Party.

 

* Pensioners

 

* Farmers

 

* The disabled

 

* Actual workers

 

* Fishermen

 

The only people happy with Labour are Illegal Gimmegrants.

No1: 

UK can't tackle the problem without EU. So Starmer is doing the right thing to work together to stop illegal immigration.

No2:

In a economical downturn it's impossible to reduce unemployment. 

No3 and followed;

Thank to Trump's erratic "politics" Starmer ties bonds with Europe since he lost his trust in this uneducated weirdo in America.

Actually most European countries have similar problems which can be solved only together.

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

No1: 

UK can't tackle the problem without EU. So Starmer is doing the right thing to work together to stop illegal immigration.

 

You really are clueless, aren't you.

 

The UK paid £750 million to France to stop the boats. Seems to be working a treat as the numbers for 2025 are at record levels.

 

Anyone with a functioning brain, would understand that the EU have no intention of stopping the Gimmegrants reaching the UK. Stand by for an earth shattering revelation.

 

The EU don't want the Gimmegrants either. There is not a snowballs chance in hell of them trying to stop them reaching the UK.

 

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

No2:

In a economical downturn it's impossible to reduce unemployment. 

 

What downturn ?
 

Was the Chancellor not just singing the praises of an 0.8% growth in GDP ?
 

Who is lying. You or the Chancellor ?

[newbee2022]

6 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You really are clueless, aren't you.

 

The UK paid £750 million to France to stop the boats. Seems to be working a treat as the numbers for 2025 are at record levels.

 

Anyone with a functioning brain, would understand that the EU have no intention of stopping the Gimmegrants reaching the UK. Stand by for an earth shattering revelation.

 

The EU don't want the Gimmegrants either. There is not a snowballs chance in hell of them trying to stop them reaching the UK.

 

 

What downturn ?
 

Was the Chancellor not just singing the praises of an 0.8% growth in GDP ?
 

Who is lying. You or the Chancellor ?

You're lost in Farage's propaganda.

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You're lost in Farage's propaganda.

 

Could you tell me what propaganda I am lost in

 

Here is the initial deal

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64916446

 

Other " Incentives " have been paid since then.

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You really are clueless, aren't you.

 

The UK paid £750 million to France to stop the boats. Seems to be working a treat as the numbers for 2025 are at record levels.

 

Anyone with a functioning brain, would understand that the EU have no intention of stopping the Gimmegrants reaching the UK. Stand by for an earth shattering revelation.

 

The EU don't want the Gimmegrants either. There is not a snowballs chance in hell of them trying to stop them reaching the UK.

 

 

What downturn ?
 

Was the Chancellor not just singing the praises of an 0.8% growth in GDP ?
 

Who is lying. You or the Chancellor ?

The UK paid £hundreds of millions to Rwanda for which they managed to deport 4 individuals, and they volunteered to leave.

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK paid £hundreds of millions to Rwanda for which they managed to deport 4 individuals, and they volunteered to leave.

 

Due to Lawfare. Not a thing wrong with the policy or the reasoning behind it.

 

Starmer cancelled it, and wasted around £700 million.

 

The clueless creature is now running around kissing @rses to try and set up offshore return hubs, costs unknown, but it will be triple figure £ Millions.

 

You really should try engaging brain before engaging keyboard.

 

Here is Starmers 1st humiliation over his offshore hubs

 

 

there will be more to come.