Trump Privately Concedes Putin Unwilling to End Ukraine War

[Peabody]

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

And yet, Americans made him POTUS.

With more people voting for someone other than Twitler

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's actually made Ukraine's position much worse!

Rubbish. Biden and the EU drip feeding weapons did this. 

 

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's been about Trump's perverted love of Putin

The elephant in the room you and your ilk always miss is China. What would you rather. Closer US/Russia ties or closer Russia/CCP ties?

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Rubbish. Biden and the EU drip feeding weapons did this. 

 

The elephant in the room you and your ilk always miss is China. What would you rather. Closer US/Russia ties or closer Russia/CCP ties?

Dumb post.

I was obviously talking about Ukraine's NEGOTIATING position that Trump was promising would happen and was setting the table for.

At the time of Trump's election, Ukraine was in a much STRONGER negotiating position than it is now. Because Trump completely messed this up. Kissing Putin's butt. Irrationally attacking Zelinsky. Giving Russia everything they wanted before talks even began. Dude -  Trump is basically working for Putin. I consider him a trator. Putin seeing 

Trump had conceded everything and Trump was never going to put pressure on Russia at all decided rationally, why talk, Trump is a weak poodle and I can get even more. 

 

As far as the moronic theory that the US getting closer to Russia will make Russia an enemy of China, not even worth talking about.

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

At the time of Trump's election, Ukraine was in a much STRONGER negotiating position than it is now.

Only because of the Kursk Oblast incursion which has now collapsed entirely with only around 17 km² now held by Ukrainian forces which at the time of Trump's election victory was well over 1000 km².

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As far as the moronic theory that the US getting closer to Russia will make Russia an enemy of China, not even worth talking about.

This is both a complete misreading and total misrepresentation of what I said and an utter deflection from the question I asked 

37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What would you rather. Closer US/Russia ties or closer Russia/CCP ties?

You failed to answer this and simply deflected. 

Nowhere in my post did I say closer US ties with Russia will make Russia and China enemies. This is purely a misrepresentation on your part and is something you consistently do in response to posters who challenge your posts along with your constant juvenile deflections.

[MicroB]

13 hours ago, impulse said:

And the plan would be? 

 

Zelensky's still stuck on returning Donbass AND Crimea.  Not going to happen. 

 

Any cease fire would benefit him.  Putin isn't having it.  Not until Zelensky gets real.

 

 

 

Sounds like the same advice Halifax gave Churchill. Halifax might have, to adopt your street patois, told Churchill to "get real".

 

What kept De Gaulle going? He lost half his country, the other half became a vassal state.

 

Cease Fires benefit both sides, unless you are saying a ceasefire is particularly problematic for Putin as his army might not want to start  up again.

 

Both sides have desertion problems, as in previous wars. Only one side has actually mutinied.

 

Putin is still stuck on his lunatic, imperialist demands. Why are you not mentioning no shift in the Russian position, instead malignly suggesting its all the fault of Ukraine for Russia rapinf women, kidnapping kids, bombing civilians. Tankies always downplay the culpability of the Russians. They were full of excuses during the Cold War.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, MicroB said:

Sounds like the same advice Halifax gave Churchill. Halifax might have, to adopt your street patois, told Churchill to "get real".

 

What kept De Gaulle going? He lost half his country, the other half became a vassal state.

 

Cease Fires benefit both sides, unless you are saying a ceasefire is particularly problematic for Putin as his army might not want to start  up again.

 

Both sides have desertion problems, as in previous wars. Only one side has actually mutinied.

 

Putin is still stuck on his lunatic, imperialist demands. Why are you not mentioning no shift in the Russian position, instead malignly suggesting its all the fault of Ukraine for Russia rapinf women, kidnapping kids, bombing civilians. Tankies always downplay the culpability of the Russians. They were full of excuses during the Cold War.

 

It's not 1939 and Putin isn't genociding Ukrainians to make room for the Master Race.

 

[JimHuaHin]

What, the master of the deal cannot make the deal?

[gamb00ler]

8 hours ago, harryviking said:

Trump is a fat, ignorant fool!! A coward and a traitor to the western alliance.... 

There's no need to denigrate those groups by associating them with 47.