So Long And Thanks For All The Fish - Ukraine bombs Russian Nuclear Bombers

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

This is grounds for Russia to actually declare war on Ukraine. I'd call that an escalation.

 

Surely you are not serious?

On 24 February 2022. Russia attacked and invaded the independent sovereign nation of Ukraine, with the  intent of annexing  much of the country. This was a legal act of war.

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Lunch after the $7bn dollar strike by Big "Z" 🤔

 

 

 

 Adolf probably had that same grin when the first V2 hit England.  That didn't end well for him, did it?  

 

Edit:  Nor for the German people.

 

[nick supreme]

6 minutes ago, FlorC said:

No , Putin's red line has been breached big time. Now is the time Russia should show they were not bluffing.

No nukes , they have these kinetic weapons that will do the job.

 

The importance of hitting bombers is overstated.

Most bombing now is done by missiles and drones.

 

 

Someone needs to turn Putin's frown upside down. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As the EU is willing to sacrifice Ukrainian's in its proxy war with Russia.

Save yourself some effort and just post the URL that feeds you this nonsense.

 

The EU is not at war with Russia, by proxy or otherwise.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

 Adolf probably had that same grin when the first V2 hit England.  That didn't end well for him, did it?  

 

 

 

Godwin’s turned up.

[jas007]

19 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

 

Do the Russias have any agency?   Russia invades Ukraine then acts then acts like the victim.  You need to watch this video.

 

 

I'm certainly not going to watch a video that's over an hour long, and I certainly don't need to. The title tells me everything I need to know:  you miss the point. You just don't get it. Maybe you're the victim of Western propaganda?  In any event, to even discuss propaganda misses the mark. 

 

Is there propaganda at use in the world?  Of course, Russian propaganda, Western propaganda, Chinese propaganda, and so on. But how does knowing that solve the problem? You seem to be of the belief that anyone advocating for an end of the war is somehow a victim of Russian propaganda.  Russia spreads propaganda, and therefore let's start WWIII and put an end to humanity as we know it?  Do I have that right? 

 

The real issue isn't Russian propaganda or any other type of propaganda. We're past that point, perhaps, and on a collision course with big trouble. And there's only one way to win the game. Don't play. In any other scenario, we all lose.  Do you not understand why that's the case? 

[nick supreme]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

I'm certainly not going to watch a video that's over an hour long, and I certainly don't need to. The title tells me everything I need to know:  you miss the point. You just don't get it. Maybe you're the victim of Western propaganda?  In any event, to even discuss propaganda misses the mark. 

 

Is there propaganda at use in the world?  Of course, Russian propaganda, Western propaganda, Chinese propaganda, and so on. But how does knowing that solve the problem? You seem to be of the belief that anyone advocating for an end of the war is somehow a victim of Russian propaganda.  Russia spreads propaganda, and therefore let's start WWIII and put an end to humanity as we know it?  Do I have that right? 

 

The real issue isn't Russian propaganda or any other type of propaganda. We're past that point, perhaps, and on a collision course with big trouble. And there's only one ay to win the game. Don't play. In any other scenario, we all lose.  Do you not understand why that's the case? 

 

Who's side are you on.   Russia?  Or Ukraine?  

[nick supreme]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

 Adolf probably had that same grin when the first V2 hit England.  That didn't end well for him, did it?  

 

Edit:  Nor for the German people.

 

How's Putin's two week war working out? 

[FlorC]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Save yourself some effort and just post the URL that feeds you this nonsense.

 

The EU is not at war with Tussia, by proxy or otherwise.

 

 

Most people like you don't even know where Tussia is on a map. 😋

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, FlorC said:

Most people like you don't even know where Tussia is on a map. 😋

Oh look you can spot a typo.

 

Well done.

 

 

 

 

 

[nick supreme]

1 minute ago, FlorC said:

Most people like you don't even know where Tussia is on a map. 😋

An intelligent person will figure out that the OP met. 

[FlorC]

1 minute ago, nick supreme said:

An intelligent person will figure out that the OP met. 

What ?

 

 

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

 

Who's side are you on.   Russia?  Or Ukraine?  

 I'm on the side of not having WWIII and its consequences. 

 

 

[dinsdale]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Save yourself some effort and just post the URL that feeds you this nonsense.

 

The EU is not at war with Russia, by proxy or otherwise.

 

 

Of course it's not.

[nick supreme]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 I'm on the side of not having WWIII and its consequences. 

 

 

 

Then you support Russian leaving Ukraine and letting peace break out. 

[jas007]

18 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

OK,  who is calling the shots?  

Are you serious? I'm afraid this entire discussion is over your head. I suppose you could blame propaganda.  One of several explanations. 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

It matters a lot. So far Russia has used a fraction of it's available force (not talking nukes). If Russia declares war the escalation will be massive.

We know they building up against Finland and Norway, and their war machinery and economy is on speed for the moment, and we will see what happens. 

 

Putin declined a great deal from Trump, and here we are. 

 

Proxy war is the nature of any war around the globe for a long time, so nothing new there. Last time we manged to break the back of Ussr, and maybe we manage to do again? 

 

The only danger is China, Iran, India, countries in Africa and South Amerika go off at the same time. 

 

Might happen, since Trump only keeps a narrow view on the world. 

[nick supreme]

Just now, jas007 said:

Are you serious? I'm afraid this entire discussion is over your head. I suppose you could blame propaganda.  One of several explanations. 

 

Do you support the Russian invasion?   Do you support Putin subjugating the people of Ukraine? 

[Yagoda]

This attack has no bearing on the course of the war. I submit it was an attempt by Zelinsky to poke Putin and get him to retaliate to the point that Nato gets involved and comes to Ukraines rescue.

[dinsdale]

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Surely you are not serious?

On 24 February 2022. Russia attacked and invaded the independent sovereign nation of Ukraine, with the  intent of annexing  much of the country. This was a legal act of war.

As I've pointed out very clearly (obviously not clearly enough for you) Russia has made no formal declaration of war upon Ukraine. This is simply a fact.

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Godwin’s turned up.

History's full of stories where the side that's already lost a war pulls out a desperate Hail Mary. 

 

Like the V2, kamikazes, human wave attacks and FPV drones over Russia.  All they did was stiffen resolve and cause millions more unnecessary deaths.

 

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Of course it is and to do this when a negotiated settlement is on the table this seems senseless. The ground war cannot be won by Ukraine, This attack although strategically successful doesn't do anything by way of bringing this war to an end. If anything this attack may only achieve the opposite. Russia's retaliation might be massive. 

 

Russia has refused to  engage in peace talks. This is why Trump blew a gasket. Russia has been throwing  a lot already at Ukraine.  All that ordinance, and equipment costs money. Russia has been spending money on  it, money that could have been spent on taking care of Russia. Infrastructure, healthcare, R&D, sports and culture have all been neglected and seen decreases in funding. There is just so long a country can go without  investing in itself before it starts to crumble. Russia has spent in excess of US $300 billion on the war. That's a lot of and  Russians will be paying for it for years to come.

https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/3-years-later-what-russias-aggression-ukraine-has-cost-it-and-what-its-gained

 

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

It's an attack on Russia's nuclear strategic assets and hence could be viewed by the Kremlin as an attack on Russia's national security. Under international law this is grounds to declare war. As it is Russia has not declared war on Ukraine officially. Will Putin now do this? An all out war with Ukraine will be devastating.  Whatever the case the response by Putin will be big and will happen quickly. 

 

You are playing word games when you write that  Russia has not declared was on Ukraine "officially". The fact is that its actions were an act of war. Because a mugger does not inform you that they  will be mugging you does not  mean the crime is not a mugging. It is the wrongful act that determines the crime.

 

Ukraine is eroding the Russian military, and Russians at some point will say enough.

[nick supreme]

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Are you serious? I'm afraid this entire discussion is over your head. I suppose you could blame propaganda.  One of several explanations. 

 

Who are calling the shots.   You don't know?   

[Patong2021]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

This attack has no bearing on the course of the war. I submit it was an attempt by Zelinsky to poke Putin and get him to retaliate to the point that Nato gets involved and comes to Ukraines rescue.

 

Is that the cannabis talking?

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

This attack has no bearing on the course of the war. I submit it was an attempt by Zelinsky to poke Putin and get him to retaliate to the point that Nato gets involved and comes to Ukraines rescue.

Unfortunately, NATO is involved, more so than you seem to think. Who do you think provided the targeting for the drones? Who do you think supplied the drones? Who do you think orchestrated the entire attack? NATO is in a proxy war with Russia, and it has been that way since day one. 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

You are playing word games when you write that  Russia has not declared was on Ukraine "officially"

It's not word games at all. This is very simplistic. A declaration of war is a formal statement. As I previously said we all know this is a war but if Putin does declare a formal state of war escalation could be massive. IMHO he won't do this. No need. As I have pointed out many times Russia is winning the ground war. What we'll see from Putin instead is a heavy retaliation for the drone strike.

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Is that the cannabis talking?

No but Ill fire one up while I respond. Tell us what tactical  purpose this attack served?

[Cameroni]

6 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

Except Russia? What you are saying is that Russia is risk-free to start using nukes but all others are?

 

Russia had to address the Ukraine problem to ensure it's own survival. NATO encroaching on the European plains further would have made Russia indefensible. For Russia a neutral Ukraine was a matter of existence but of course even Russia will not die for Ukraine, if the war should go really badly they woud just unpack the horror weapons and defeat Ukraine that way.  There is no need for that though since immediately  before this Ukrainian terrorist attack within Russia the Russian armed forces were winning  the real battles in Ukraine.

[nick supreme]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Unfortunately, NATO is involved, more so than you seem to think. Who do you think provided the targeting for the drones? Who do you think supplied the drones? Who do you think orchestrated the entire attack? NATO is in a proxy war with Russia, and it has been that way since day one. 

I'm happy to hear NATO is helping out Ukraine. 

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Who do you think provided the targeting for the drones

Who, with a source

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Who do you think supplied the drones?

Who, with a source

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Who do you think orchestrated the entire attack?

Who, with a source.

 

I bet ya NATO knew nothing of this

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

NATO is in a proxy war with Russia, and it has been that way since day one. 

Well now NATOs attack do is off the leash.

 

Here, tell us, what Tactical interest  did this attack serve?