fredwiggy Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago There are links..............https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/teen-suicide/art-20044308 ...............such as these.....https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/suicide.html.....That show some reasons teens take their lives, and some has a bearing on the relationships with peers, and how they fit in. Self esteem is started at birth and can be either destroyed by stress or bad experiences, or bolstered by the same, depending on how they were raised and how they cope, which also comes from childhood experiences in the family home. ............https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Teen-Suicide-010.aspx 1
richard_smith237 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, fredwiggy said: There are links..............https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/teen-suicide/art-20044308 ...............such as these.....https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/suicide.html.....That show some reasons teens take their lives, and some has a bearing on the relationships with peers, and how they fit in. Self esteem is started at birth and can be either destroyed by stress or bad experiences, or bolstered by the same, depending on how they were raised and how they cope, which also comes from childhood experiences in the family home. ............https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Teen-Suicide-010.aspx Cameroni reveals a profound failure to grasp this essential reality. While I wholeheartedly endorse measured responses, there is an equally dangerous risk in under-reacting - one that perpetuates harm and deepens trauma, a nuance he evidently fails to appreciate. He's missing the point entirely, but he also risks enabling the very damage he seems blind to... 1 1 2
SLOWHAND225 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 23 hours ago, fredwiggy said: And that thinking allows them to continue unabated. Doing this to schoolgirls is a despicable act, and he needs to be held accountable now before he thinks trashing women is okay, as many of his fellow countrymen believe. Girls have it hard enough being the subject of a high percentage of molestation at schools here. It's one major reason I'll be leaving with my own daughter as soon as possible. So what you're saying is that all of the women haters on this forum used to cut and paste porn pictures of their classmates using the Sears catalog ? The nerve ! 1
SLOWHAND225 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago On 6/7/2025 at 2:18 PM, SLOWHAND225 said: So show me, show me what a random kid in Thailand is going to be able to get for free that will do that @captain_shane I'm still waiting
Cameroni Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: At 15, a girl's reputation is her social currency – respect, dignity, and trust among peers. Being sexualised by AI fakes shatters that fragile identity in the most public, humiliating way. Hardly. If she built up sufficient respect, dignity and trust among peers, those peers would recognize that those pics are just fake and it would not have a great impact on her reputation among her "peers". 3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: My response towards you isn't sanctimony... its direct judgement of the depravity of your thought process ! Did I digitally asssault you perhaps? Lol. You are so full of it. You couldn't judge me if your life depended on it. What depravity? Talking about fake AI images of things that never happened? Oh yes, shocking depravity there. lol. 5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Telling her she’ll "recover later" ignores the real damage done now. What "real" damage? A passing annoyance? Or a passing embarrassment? 6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: it’s a violation with lasting impact. What "lasting impact"? Stop talking nonsense, Richard. 7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: No - the girls faces are not faked, they were superimposed on the images of naked women using AI to 'merge' the image i.e. like photoshopping a face onto something else. Yes, I know how it works, thanks, but those girls never engaged in those acts, so what was depicted never ever happened. It's like fantasy. It feels like I'm in a real life fairytale where everyone is saying the emperor is wearing clothes and I'm the only one seeing reality. 10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: trauma inflicted on vulnerable young lives The trauma of seeing your face on pics depicting acts you were never involved in. Yeah, I think they'll get over it. 10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Thats exactly what it is: Its a form sexualised digital assault... as much as you'd like to downplay such issue. Hahahahahahaha...digital assault...thanks Richard, i could use the laughs... digital assault....lol. ..priceless. 11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: highlighting your moral disconnect. You clearly have some moral disconnect if you want to ruin a 15 year old boy's life, have him expelled from school and involve police, for a fake nudie pic depicting acts that never happened as depicted. 13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: IF you had a 15 year old daughter and this happened, and you found out it had been happening to others all year and nothing had been done about it. If you found out it had happened previously with a 'minor slap on the wrist'.... would you be arguing so forgivingly ? Obviously not, repeat offences warrant harsher punishment. By which I mean school sanction btw, not CIA waterboarding. 14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Forgive the gaslighting: but perhaps you think a 'boob grab' at school is also just kids messing and only to be dealt with by a slap on the wrist ? Let's not conflate this with a REAL act. This boy did not such thing. He merely created digital art. 14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: This faking of the imagery crosses a firm boundary An imaginary boundary in fake Bizarro world that is not real, where acts that never happened are sanctioned. Absolutely f***ng crazy. 1 1 1
Cameroni Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: While I wholeheartedly endorse measured responses, there is an equally dangerous risk in under-reacting - one that perpetuates harm and deepens trauma, a nuance he evidently fails to appreciate. So 7 years jail for a fake digital pic showing things that never happened, school expulsion and a police record are a "measured" response? Maybe in Crazyland. I'm not "underreacting". I'm reacting proportionately. You're overreacting. 2 3
fredwiggy Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago This is another link showing that bullying, which this could be construed as, can lead to suicides in teens, especially seeing as more than 20% of teens consider suicide. The reasons for this are many, and embarrassment and bullying are two of them. Teens are just starting to learn their identities, and too many things going wrong can send them over the edge.............https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5656560/, 1 1
SLOWHAND225 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: This is another link showing that bullying, which this could be construed as, can lead to suicides in teens, especially seeing as more than 20% of teens consider suicide. The reasons for this are many, and embarrassment and bullying are two of them. Teens are just starting to learn their identities, and too many things going wrong can send them over the edge.............https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5656560/, So now you're manufacturing things to be upset about. It either is or it isn't. This isn't 2 1
fredwiggy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 16 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said: So now you're manufacturing things to be upset about. It either is or it isn't. This isn't I quote from proven research and studies. Opinions or "manufacturing" mean nothing, so I don't use them. I posted the links for a reason, as some here don't have the knowledge on this subject to comment on it, although they might think they do. Embarrassing is a form of bullying. And yes, I'm upset when teens, and especially girls, as I have 5, are mistreated, as all humans should be, especially if they call themselves men. Always pays to research before replying.............https://medlineplus.gov/bullyingandcyberbullying.html 1 1
fredwiggy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago As an addendum to my previous reply............ What is cyberbullying? Cyberbullying is bullying that happens through text messages or online. It could be through emails, social media, forums, or gaming. Some examples are: Posting rumors on social media Sharing embarrassing pictures or videos online Sharing someone else's private information online (doxing) 1 1
captain_shane Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, SLOWHAND225 said: @captain_shane I'm still waiting flux
SLOWHAND225 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 59 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: I quote from proven research and studies. Opinions or "manufacturing" mean nothing, so I don't use them. I posted the links for a reason, as some here don't have the knowledge on this subject to comment on it, although they might think they do. Embarrassing is a form of bullying. And yes, I'm upset when teens, and especially girls, as I have 5, are mistreated, as all humans should be, especially if they call themselves men. Always pays to research before replying.............https://medlineplus.gov/bullyingandcyberbullying.html The issue I raised went right over your head. lol 1
SLOWHAND225 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 47 minutes ago, captain_shane said: flux Try again. Flux does NOT create pornographic images any longer and its NOT free. 1
fredwiggy Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Just now, SLOWHAND225 said: The issue I raised went right over your head. lol No, actually it shows you know little about the subject, while I have experience in it. This is what you said first,..........."So what you're saying is that all of the women haters on this forum used to cut and paste porn pictures of their classmates using the Sears catalog ? The nerve !", which has nothing to do with what I've said. .......Then you disputed my reply, "So now you're manufacturing things to be upset about. It either is or it isn't. This isn't", and were proven wrong, as I wasn't "manufacturing" anything but telling it like it is. This shows you're ignorant on the subject at hand. But keep coming back in those various usernames, because I'm not the only one who gets a kick out of it. This is what's been over your head for a long time.
SLOWHAND225 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Just now, fredwiggy said: No, actually it shows you know little about the subject, while I have experience in it. This is what you said first,..........."So what you're saying is that all of the women haters on this forum used to cut and paste porn pictures of their classmates using the Sears catalog ? The nerve !", which has nothing to do with what I've said. .......Then you disputed my reply, "So now you're manufacturing things to be upset about. It either is or it isn't. This isn't", and were proven wrong, as I wasn't "manufacturing" anything but telling it like it is. This shows you're ignorant on the subject at hand. But keep coming back in those various usernames, because I'm not the only one who gets a kick out of it. This is what's been over your head for a long time. Are you drunk ? What part of your post did I highlight ? What did I refer to ? It was also humor, mixed with some sarcasm, which past right over you. Take a deep breath, its not that serious. 1
fredwiggy Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said: Are you drunk ? What part of your post did I highlight ? What did I refer to ? It was also humor, mixed with some sarcasm, which past right over you. Take a deep breath, its not that serious. Try thinking before you reply . Assuming like a few others here, who coincidentally, all act the same. And what's amusing, all stick up for each other, not realizing you're dealing with older adults here, yet respond like clueless teenagers. That again, is what's over your head. Try reading the link on cyberbullying, and then, maybe, you might understand why I said bullying can be construed as what this boy is doing.
richard_smith237 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Cameroni said: 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: While I wholeheartedly endorse measured responses, there is an equally dangerous risk in under-reacting - one that perpetuates harm and deepens trauma, a nuance he evidently fails to appreciate. So 7 years jail for a fake digital pic showing things that never happened, school expulsion and a police record are a "measured" response? Maybe in Crazyland. I'm not "underreacting". I'm reacting proportionately. You're overreacting. Wow.. thats a special level of Gaslighting - 7 years jail and a police record... Your reading comprehension has failed you as much as your common sense... 1
richard_smith237 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Cameroni said: Hardly. If she built up sufficient respect, dignity and trust among peers, those peers would recognize that those pics are just fake and it would not have a great impact on her reputation among her "peers". Did I digitally asssault you perhaps? Lol. You are so full of it. You couldn't judge me if your life depended on it. What depravity? Talking about fake AI images of things that never happened? Oh yes, shocking depravity there. lol. What "real" damage? A passing annoyance? Or a passing embarrassment? What "lasting impact"? Stop talking nonsense, Richard. Yes, I know how it works, thanks, but those girls never engaged in those acts, so what was depicted never ever happened. It's like fantasy. It feels like I'm in a real life fairytale where everyone is saying the emperor is wearing clothes and I'm the only one seeing reality. The trauma of seeing your face on pics depicting acts you were never involved in. Yeah, I think they'll get over it. Hahahahahahaha...digital assault...thanks Richard, i could use the laughs... digital assault....lol. ..priceless. You clearly have some moral disconnect if you want to ruin a 15 year old boy's life, have him expelled from school and involve police, for a fake nudie pic depicting acts that never happened as depicted. Obviously not, repeat offences warrant harsher punishment. By which I mean school sanction btw, not CIA waterboarding. Let's not conflate this with a REAL act. This boy did not such thing. He merely created digital art. An imaginary boundary in fake Bizarro world that is not real, where acts that never happened are sanctioned. Absolutely f***ng crazy. What you dismiss as harmless “fun” worthy of a mere slap on the wrist has rightly been recognised in the examples I provided - by both a school and the police - as serious, damaging, and deserving of a firm, proportionate response. (expulsion from school). You seem to believe you’re the lone voice of reason in some warped fairytale. In truth, you’re the one lost in fantasy - because only someone utterly detached from reality could look at the sexualised targeting of underage girls and call it a prank that they'll get over. ... And as for your claim that this is being “conflated with a real act”: this was a real act. A deliberate attempt to humiliate, sexualise, and publicly defame a child. Fake or not, the intent and the damage are real. If they'd pasted her face onto a pornographic cartoon, the harm wouldn’t be theoretical - the bullying, the mockery, the trauma would still be painfully present and it was so repeatedly for over 20 girls while nothing was done about it... hence it the issue snowballed and reached social media. You’re not splitting hairs, you are not the voice of reason... You are are excusing abuse.... 1
Cameroni Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: recognised in the examples I provided - by both a school and the police - as serious, damaging, and deserving of a firm, proportionate response. (expulsion from school). Oh I know. Indeed pretty much every country has passed these laws that criminalise artistic representations of porn, long before AI become fashionable. Now with AI it seems to have gone completely overboard, 7 years in jail in S Korea. Are you telling me this is a proportionate and measured punishment? To lock a boy up for 7 years if he made some porn with AI that is not even real? 12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: look at the sexualised targeting of underage girls and call it a prank that they'll get ove By "sexual targeting" you mean the digital creation of fake images showing acts that never happened in real life, correct? I never said that was a "prank". But of course they will get over it. 13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: this was a real act. It's not a real act like a physical assault. It's a thought crime, that fantasizes and creates an AI image of things that never happened in reality. Which causes no physical harm whatsoever. 14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: A deliberate attempt to humiliate, sexualise, and publicly defame a child. Among 15 year olds, as among most children, attempts at humiliation and defamation are sadly the norm, as you well know. 14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: the damage are real No, it's not. There is no real physical harm. At most there is some annoyance, embarassment, some psychological discomfort of a passing nature. 16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You are are excusing abuse Not at all. This was not physical abuse. This was an AI photo showing things that never happened. Nor am I "excusing" it, I'm merely viewing it in a proportionate way, without the white knight hysteria some have put on display here. 1
richard_smith237 Posted 28 minutes ago Posted 28 minutes ago 39 minutes ago, Cameroni said: Not at all. This was not physical abuse. This was an AI photo showing things that never happened. Nor am I "excusing" it, I'm merely viewing it in a proportionate way, without the white knight hysteria some have put on display here. Going back to my earlier comment: << if it has to be explained to you then you'll never get it anyway >> You just don't get it... Perhaps try the same thing yourself... This time using the PM and post the image publicly on social media and see how your "things that never happened" argument holds up... 1
Cameroni Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You just don't get it... No. I really don't get it. I don't get why people get so worked up about some digital fake photos showing things that never happened. It's almost as if the world has gone crazy. 1
richard_smith237 Posted 16 minutes ago Posted 16 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, Cameroni said: 10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You just don't get it... No. I really don't get it. I don't get why people get so worked up about some digital fake photos showing things that never happened. It's almost as if the world has gone crazy. ... as I said... << if it has to be explained to you then you'll never get it anyway >> 1
simon43 Posted 5 minutes ago Posted 5 minutes ago Well, from the various messages in this thread, I've drawn my own conclusions about Cameroni's moral compass. It seems to be somewhat 'broken'.
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