Prevent Under Fire for Labeling Migration Concerns as Terrorist Ideology

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Remember, the great majority of migrants leave their homes for an uncertain future elsewhere not by choice, but because they can no longer provide for their families in their home countries -- whether because of war, environmental destruction, or the collapse of their society.

 

The vast majority are coming over from France. 

[Chomper Higgot]

 

1 hour ago, quake said:

 

What work are they capable of.

Delivering a take away meal on a stolen scooter.

 

Nah,  They are all highly skilled blue and white collar workers.  

 

I don’t know any more than you do.

 

Though I’m less inclined to sneer at service work.

[quake]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I don’t know any more than you do.

 

Though I’m less inclined to sneer at service work.

 

Oh behave. a sneer at service work.

it was a go at illegal's coming in to the uk uninvited. on boats.

We need skilled workers,  not the unskilled dross from north Africa.

But nice try,  no cigar, chump's

 

[The Cyclist]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

Here's a little thought experiment for you to ponder:

 

Due to another spanking, on yet another thread, the word thought, might be more appropriate to ponder.

[Magictoad]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Labeling someone who holds a different view to yourself as a terrorist just shows you have lost the argument.”

 

On that we agree Jonny, though it happens a lot.

 

“So now they've gone from locking people up for questioning the negative effects of mass migration, to labeling them extreme right wing terrorists.”

 

No it hasn’t, that’s a bit of hyperbole on your part.

Sadly; it isn't. 

[Magictoad]

It was inevitable that anyone concerned with migration would be labelled as some thing or other. Get out while your still allowed!

[RayC]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

The vast majority are coming over from France. 

 

The vast majority of illegal migrants first port of European call is Greece or Italy.

 

Is the rest of Europe meant to shrug its' shoulders and say, 'Your problem'? What do you suggest the Greek and Italian authorities do to those who seek to cross their borders: Force them to stay?

[James105]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

The vast majority of illegal migrants first port of European call is Greece or Italy.

 

Is the rest of Europe meant to shrug its' shoulders and say, 'Your problem'? What do you suggest the Greek and Italian authorities do to those who seek to cross their borders: Force them to stay?

 

Why do they want to leave Greece and Italy do you think?   I imagine if Greece and Italy put them up in free accommodation, gave them driving lessons, language lessons, free food, free phones, priority free medical and free dental treatment, benefit from a 2 tier justice system and with an almost cast iron guarantee they will be able to live permanently in that country (and free legal aid to fight deportation of course) then they might want to stay there.   Can you think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to offer those things to illegal immigrants?

[JonnyF]

21 minutes ago, RayC said:

Is the rest of Europe meant to shrug its' shoulders and say, 'Your problem'? What do you suggest the Greek and Italian authorities do to those who seek to cross their borders: Force them to stay?

 

That's up to the EU. Having let them into the EU, it is an EU problem.

 

What they shouldn't do is enable them onto boats to non-EU countries. Especially non-EU countries that are paying EU countries hundreds of millions of Euros to stop them doing just that.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64916446

 

  

Of course, in reality France doesn't want them either so they turn a blind eye. 

[RayC]

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's up to the EU. Having let them into the EU, it is an EU problem.

 

So a Somalian illegally entering Italy who has no desire to stay in Italy but is en route to the UK is not a British problem, not even an Italian one but an EU one. Right.

 

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

What they shouldn't do is enable them onto boats to non-EU countries.

 

Under your scenario where the UK washes its' hands of all responsibility, why shouldn't they?

 

Italy doesn't want the problem. The EU doesn't want the problem. The illegal migrant doesn't want to be in an EU state. Let the individual make their way unhindered to the UK.

 

Problem solved from the Italian/EU perspective.

 

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Especially non-EU countries that are paying EU countries hundreds of millions of Euros to stop them doing just that.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64916446

 

  

 

And you think that means that each and every illegal migrant trying to reach the UK should therefore be intercepted before they are able to do so? The Normandy coast is 640km long, the departure points vary and these people don't have a regular schedule for crossings like the ferries but that's all irrelevant?

 

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Of course, in reality France doesn't want them either so they turn a blind eye. 

 

Agreed. France, Italy, Greece and the rest of Europe would prefer that they weren't there. But they are and they need to be dealt with.

 

I don't often agree with Lee Anderson but he is correct when he says  that the UK needs to strengthen its' own border controls and to improve the processing of refugees/ illegal immigrants.

 

Unfortunately, even doing that won't solve the problem. Illegal economic immigrants need to be stopped from embarking on their journeys. I can't think of an easy solution but I firmly believe that it will need a coordinated European response. However, I imagine that you would be against any form of co-operation with the EU.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Why do they want to leave Greece and Italy do you think?   I imagine if Greece and Italy put them up in free accommodation, gave them driving lessons, language lessons, free food, free phones, priority free medical and free dental treatment, benefit from a 2 tier justice system and with an almost cast iron guarantee they will be able to live permanently in that country (and free legal aid to fight deportation of course) then they might want to stay there.   Can you think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to offer those things to illegal immigrants?

 

You've obviously conducted a detailed comparison of the ways in which illegal immigrants are treated in the various individual European countries and come to the conclusion that the UK is by far the most generous.

 

Perhaps, you could share the full details of your survey here.

[James105]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

You've obviously conducted a detailed comparison of the ways in which illegal immigrants are treated in the various individual European countries and come to the conclusion that the UK is by far the most generous.

 

Perhaps, you could share the full details of your survey here.

 

I never mentioned the UK but I cannot think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to encourage unvetted and potentially dangerous fighting aged males that come from non western cultures with those kind of incentives.   I'll repeat the question you avoided though:  Can you think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to offer those things to illegal immigrants?  I presume you cannot hence the reason you "did a starmer" and just didn't answer it.   

[RayC]

5 hours ago, James105 said:

 

I never mentioned the UK but I cannot think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to encourage unvetted and potentially dangerous fighting aged males that come from non western cultures with those kind of incentives.   I'll repeat the question you avoided though:  Can you think of any country that would be so moronically stupid to offer those things to illegal immigrants?  I presume you cannot hence the reason you "did a starmer" and just didn't answer it.   

 

So in your list of 'freebies' supposedly provided by the state, you weren't comparing the treatment of illegal  immigrants in Italy and Greece with the UK but, in fact, with another unnamed country?

 

I'm not the one avoiding the question. You inferred - and have done so again -  that the UK treats illegal immigrants better than any other country. I asked you to provide evidence to support that premise, something that you have failed to do.

[Cory1848]

20 hours ago, quake said:

 

Oh behave. a sneer at service work.

it was a go at illegal's coming in to the uk uninvited. on boats.

We need skilled workers,  not the unskilled dross from north Africa.

But nice try,  no cigar, chump's

 

Oh, so there are plenty of Anglo-Brits happy to do janitorial work and other forms of unskilled labor at minimum wage or less? Maybe so; I don’t know; but that’s certainly not the case in the US. If it weren’t for labor from Guatemala and El Salvador working in the chicken processing plants in my home state of Delaware -- and whether they’re documented or not is of no relevance -- there would be no packaged chicken in local grocery stores, or it would cost $30 for a pair of chicken drumsticks.

 

As for your characterizing people from North Africa as “dross”: so many people who are anti-immigration start sobbing when they’re called racist. But your language pretty much speaks for itself.

[quake]

4 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

As for your characterizing people from North Africa as “dross”: so many people who are anti-immigration start sobbing when they’re called racist. But your language pretty much speaks for itself.

 

Yawn. 

 

[Yagoda]

You can see in Los Angeles what uncontrolled migration gives you.

 

 

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Oh, so there are plenty of Anglo-Brits happy to do janitorial work and other forms of unskilled labor at minimum wage or less?

 

Ah the old "who is going to clean our toilets" line.

 

Is that you Kelly? 😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-33782498

 

[Chomper Higgot]

48 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ah the old "who is going to clean our toilets" line.

 

Is that you Kelly? 😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-33782498

 

Not that you would ever make such remarks eh Jonny?:

 

23 hours ago, quake said:

 

What work are they capable of.

Delivering a take away meal on a stolen scooter.

 

Nah,  They are all highly skilled blue and white collar workers.  

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not that you would ever make such remarks eh Jonny?:

 

 

 

Well given that it was Quake who said that I guess the answer would be No. 😄

 

Try harder Chomps. 😄

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

On 6/9/2025 at 8:52 AM, Cory1848 said:

Not sure exactly how Western culture “works” any better than non-Western cultures. All cultures are prone to cycles of barbarism, present-day Islamic extremism being one example. And don’t forget that, with regard to the “Judeo-Christian values” you hold up as the standard, over the past two millennia the “Christian” part has turned on the “Judeo” part with sickening regularity.

 

Go on....

[nauseus]

On 6/9/2025 at 8:52 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t burn books.

 

I’m cognizant of the historical context of such acts, particularly by rightwing Christian nationalist in a cult of national cultural and racial purity.

 

Perhaps book burning isn’t a good example.

 

 

 

More deflector shields than a Federation Starship.