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Gibraltar Deal Triggers Backlash: UK ‘surrendering Gibraltar’


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Posted
29 minutes ago, jippytum said:

No suprise here. Starmer is happy to hand our country to Europe and any illegal immigrant who fancies a two hour dingy trip. 

Oh, "your" country doesn't belong to Europe?

Very interesting post 🤓🤓🤓

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8 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

To argue that government policies are having a negative effect on the country is one thing, but it is bias, irrational nonsense to infer that any of the major parties in the UK hates the country and that a Labour government would deliberately try to weaken it.

 

I judge people not by what they say, but by what they do.

 

Nothing Labour has done since coming to power suggests anything other than a deliberate attempt to weaken the country. Based on their actions, I believe my conclusion is perfectly rational. 

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16 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Nothing to be seen there. 

What you called "nice" there?

Nice to walk there , the views and even some monkeys like in Thailand.

When you come from Spain you had to cross an airfield.

 

But sorry for you , there was no soi 6.

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23 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I judge people not by what they say, but by what they do.

 

Nothing Labour has done since coming to power suggests anything other than a deliberate attempt to weaken the country. Based on their actions, I believe my conclusion is perfectly rational. 

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

 

 

I was actually giving you a free 'Get out of jail' card - you could have stated that you were using hyperbole - but you decided to double down, so I'll take you at your word that you believe this Labour administration hates the UK and actively wants to weaken it.

 

And why would it do that? Self loathing? Masochism? There are 403 Labour MPs and 22 cabinet ministers. Do you suppose that they are all self-loathing? I'd say that it's fairly short odds that at least a few of them might be arrogant narcissists.

 

And why would this collective of 403 souls actively try to weaken the UK? Given that it's unlikely that they are all self-loathing and/or masochist, the only logical conclusion can be that they are fifth columnists. Again, the odds that 403 Labour MPs, including 22 cabinet ministers, all fit into this category must be very slim: However, if that is the case, then I must profess some grudging admiration for the foreign power that is managing the operation, while at the same time, wondering why they simply don't complete the job of destroying the UK immediately, given how easy it is to infiltrate the UK political establishment.

 

Given the above, I'd suggest that the most rational conclusion for anyone who feels that this government is failing would be that it is due to their incompetence, and not anything more sinister.

 

Of course, that doesn't fit in so easily with your narrative whereby anyone who doesn't ascribe to your biased and bigoted view of the UK is considered an enemy.

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27 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:


it’s a rock with thousands of citizens who continually vote 99% to remain British rather than Spanish. How so unlike yourself.

Yes, I know about their benefits. Free housing, almost no taxes. Cheap petrol. Who wouldn't vote for it????

If Spain would close border....100% will vote for Spain because no business 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, FlorC said:

Gibraltar is a nato spy rock.

Doesn't really matter who owns it.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-secretly-turned-gibraltar-into-major-nato-spy-base/

 

It's nice though , I was there in 1995.

 

2 hours ago, FlorC said:

Nice to walk there , the views and even some monkeys like in Thailand.

When you come from Spain you had to cross an airfield.

 

But sorry for you , there was no soi 6.

Wrong.

 

There is No 6 in Gibraltar.

 

Probably you've never been than watching YouTube 

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1 hour ago, Tiger1980 said:


it’s a rock with thousands of citizens who continually vote 99% to remain British rather than Spanish. How so unlike yourself.

They also voted to stay in the EU. With this agreement sll seems good: for practical purposes in the EU while remaining British.

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3 hours ago, Purdey said:

I don't know whether Britons should be that worried. If one were to blame a politician for giving away assets, look to who gave away India, Hong Kong, Singapore and countries in Africa. Those were a lot more valuable (gold, diamonds, financial center etc.) than Gibraltar.

Good post.  I was in Shenzhen recently.  I took a walk around a nice park, and then up to its highest point.  There was a statue of Deng Xiaoping facing towards Hong Kong, walking in that direction to take it back from Maggie.  I had to smile at the irony.

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3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

 

Wrong.

 

There is No 6 in Gibraltar.

 

Probably you've never been than watching YouTube 

Never said there was. Learn to read.

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8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The agreement in itself benefits everyone. It facilitates the flow of goods in an out of  Gibraltar, and will make it easier to get to Gibraltar without having to land in Spain and then transit to the enclave. A big win for the local economy, and a boost to tourism.

The presence of Spanish border/customs of agents in the territory is not a new concept and makes life easier for everyone. UK Border Force officers already operate in France at the Port of Calais, the Eurotunnel terminal, Paris Gare du Nord, Lille, and Calais-Frethun. They also operate at Brussels-South railway station in Belgium and Amsterdam Centraal and Rotterdam Centraal stations in the Netherlands.   The USA has its border and customs agents stationed inside at Shannon, Dublin, Dubai and all major Canadian airports as well as in Aruba, Bahamas and Barbados, so that travellers clear US  border security before they enter the USA. It  makes travel easier and speeds  cargo transit.

 

 

No it belongs to the UK. It was owned and controlled  by England far longer than it was by Spain. It was part of the muslim Emirate of Granada until it was captured  by the Duke of Sidonia in 1462.  He then sold it to  jewish- christian convert  refugees fleeing  Seville and elsewhere. Then in 1501 Queen Isabella of Castille claimed it.. The If Gibraltar is  part of Spain, then so too are Belgium and  Luxembourg, the Spanish Netherlands. Spain only became Spain with its war of Succession that ended in 1714. Before then, in 1704 the  Anglo Dutch fleet liberated  Gibratar and the English took possession in the War of Succession. The treaty of Utrecht which allowed the war to end recognized the English ownership of Gibraltar.

For the past 321 years, Gibraltar has been a part of England, then Great Britain and now the United Kingdom. as an overseas territory. That's  100+ more years than  a forerunner to Spain controlled it.

 

 

 

He has not handed England  to Europe. Gibraltar remains a self governing  British Overseas Territory and its citizens  are British citizens.

 

 

Nonsense.  On June 8, 1969, the fascist military dictator and crony of Adolf Hitler, Francisco franco, closed the border, and it remained shut for commercial traffic for 16 years.  Gibraltar did not fall, nor did it collapse. Despite the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in 2020, Gibraltar has remained steady and without the 100% demanding union with Spain as you claim. The people of Gibraltar like their independence.

 

 

 

You're so good in history.

So England would belong then to Germany, because you got your several "George" from Hannover??

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Make a full stop. Gibraltar belongs economically to Spain. Fact.

Your "oversea" territories are an outdated joke.

You're a lost island in the North Sea struggling to get the train back to Brussels 😂. That's called reality.👍

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8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The agreement in itself benefits everyone. It facilitates the flow of goods in an out of  Gibraltar, and will make it easier to get to Gibraltar without having to land in Spain and then transit to the enclave. A big win for the local economy, and a boost to tourism.

The presence of Spanish border/customs of agents in the territory is not a new concept and makes life easier for everyone. UK Border Force officers already operate in France at the Port of Calais, the Eurotunnel terminal, Paris Gare du Nord, Lille, and Calais-Frethun. They also operate at Brussels-South railway station in Belgium and Amsterdam Centraal and Rotterdam Centraal stations in the Netherlands.   The USA has its border and customs agents stationed inside at Shannon, Dublin, Dubai and all major Canadian airports as well as in Aruba, Bahamas and Barbados, so that travellers clear US  border security before they enter the USA. It  makes travel easier and speeds  cargo transit.

 

 

No it belongs to the UK. It was owned and controlled  by England far longer than it was by Spain. It was part of the muslim Emirate of Granada until it was captured  by the Duke of Sidonia in 1462.  He then sold it to  jewish- christian convert  refugees fleeing  Seville and elsewhere. Then in 1501 Queen Isabella of Castille claimed it.. The If Gibraltar is  part of Spain, then so too are Belgium and  Luxembourg, the Spanish Netherlands. Spain only became Spain with its war of Succession that ended in 1714. Before then, in 1704 the  Anglo Dutch fleet liberated  Gibratar and the English took possession in the War of Succession. The treaty of Utrecht which allowed the war to end recognized the English ownership of Gibraltar.

For the past 321 years, Gibraltar has been a part of England, then Great Britain and now the United Kingdom. as an overseas territory. That's  100+ more years than  a forerunner to Spain controlled it.

 

 

 

He has not handed England  to Europe. Gibraltar remains a self governing  British Overseas Territory and its citizens  are British citizens.

 

 

Nonsense.  On June 8, 1969, the fascist military dictator and crony of Adolf Hitler, Francisco franco, closed the border, and it remained shut for commercial traffic for 16 years.  Gibraltar did not fall, nor did it collapse. Despite the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in 2020, Gibraltar has remained steady and without the 100% demanding union with Spain as you claim. The people of Gibraltar like their independence.

 

 

 

You're so good in history.

 

So England would belong then to Germany, because you got your several "George" from Hannover??

 

🤓.

 

Make a full stop. Gibraltar belongs economically to Spain. Fact.

 

Your "oversea" territories are an outdated joke.

 

You're a lost island in the North Sea struggling to get the train back to Brussels 😂. That's called reality.👍

I forgot to add:

Give back NI to the Irish.

It's generally part of the Republic, occupied by British.✌️

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9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The agreement in itself benefits everyone. It facilitates the flow of goods in an out of  Gibraltar, and will make it easier to get to Gibraltar without having to land in Spain and then transit to the enclave. A big win for the local economy, and a boost to tourism.

The presence of Spanish border/customs of agents in the territory is not a new concept and makes life easier for everyone. UK Border Force officers already operate in France at the Port of Calais, the Eurotunnel terminal, Paris Gare du Nord, Lille, and Calais-Frethun. They also operate at Brussels-South railway station in Belgium and Amsterdam Centraal and Rotterdam Centraal stations in the Netherlands.   The USA has its border and customs agents stationed inside at Shannon, Dublin, Dubai and all major Canadian airports as well as in Aruba, Bahamas and Barbados, so that travellers clear US  border security before they enter the USA. It  makes travel easier and speeds  cargo transit.

Completely agree with this.

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2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You're so good in history.

 

So England would belong then to Germany, because you got your several "George" from Hannover??

 

🤓.

 

Make a full stop. Gibraltar belongs economically to Spain. Fact.

 

Your "oversea" territories are an outdated joke.

 

You're a lost island in the North Sea struggling to get the train back to Brussels 😂. That's called reality.👍

I forgot to add:

Give back NI to the Irish.

It's generally part of the Republic, occupied by British.✌️

 

Yes, I did study history in school.  What does  Gibraltar belongs economically to Spain mean?

You do know that  Gibraltar has a strong position as a  marine bunkering  port?   Gibraltar based Peninsula is ranked as the 6th largest bunker entity in the world.  Its marine service capabilities are well reputed. Gibraltar makes most of its income from financial services. It is also home to multiple online  casinos.

 

Gibraltar's GDP per capita is approx 3X that of Spain., which indicates that Gibraltar  is financially better off.

 

Your reference to  losing an island in the North Sea makes no sense and is gibberish.  In respect to Northern Ireland, you obviously do not know the history. There is not much  one can do to change the colonization by the Normans that started in 1169.The Normans also conquered the English. Your quarrel is with the French.  The presence of the "English"in Ireland got handed off for a few centuries until the Tudors integrated Ireland in the 1600's. Ireland only came into existence as a stand alone nation in 1921 and it did not include the northern territory. Besides, the future of Northern Ireland is really not for the UK to decide. It is a local driven issue, and  a majority of residents do not wish to join with Ireland. I expect that one day they will want to do so . Until then, their wishes must be respected.

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16 hours ago, Purdey said:

I don't know whether Britons should be that worried. If one were to blame a politician for giving away assets, look to who gave away India, Hong Kong, Singapore and countries in Africa. Those were a lot more valuable (gold, diamonds, financial center etc.) than Gibraltar.

Well, therefore give back what you got by exploits and robberies. Gold, diamonds, arts. And pay compensation to the former slaves

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4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Yes, I did study history in school.  What does  Gibraltar belongs economically to Spain mean?

You do know that  Gibraltar has a strong position as a  marine bunkering  port?   Gibraltar based Peninsula is ranked as the 6th largest bunker entity in the world.  Its marine service capabilities are well reputed. Gibraltar makes most of its income from financial services. It is also home to multiple online  casinos.

 

Gibraltar's GDP per capita is approx 3X that of Spain., which indicates that Gibraltar  is financially better off.

 

Your reference to  losing an island in the North Sea makes no sense and is gibberish.  In respect to Northern Ireland, you obviously do not know the history. There is not much  one can do to change the colonization by the Normans that started in 1169.The Normans also conquered the English. Your quarrel is with the French.  The presence of the "English"in Ireland got handed off for a few centuries until the Tudors integrated Ireland in the 1600's. Ireland only came into existence as a stand alone nation in 1921 and it did not include the northern territory. Besides, the future of Northern Ireland is really not for the UK to decide. It is a local driven issue, and  a majority of residents do not wish to join with Ireland. I expect that one day they will want to do so . Until then, their wishes must be respected.

Rubbish 

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17 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

I was actually giving you a free 'Get out of jail' card - you could have stated that you were using hyperbole - but you decided to double down, so I'll take you at your word that you believe this Labour administration hates the UK and actively wants to weaken it.

 

And why would it do that? Self loathing? Masochism? There are 403 Labour MPs and 22 cabinet ministers. Do you suppose that they are all self-loathing? I'd say that it's fairly short odds that at least a few of them might be arrogant narcissists.

 

And why would this collective of 403 souls actively try to weaken the UK? Given that it's unlikely that they are all self-loathing and/or masochist, the only logical conclusion can be that they are fifth columnists. Again, the odds that 403 Labour MPs, including 22 cabinet ministers, all fit into this category must be very slim: However, if that is the case, then I must profess some grudging admiration for the foreign power that is managing the operation, while at the same time, wondering why they simply don't complete the job of destroying the UK immediately, given how easy it is to infiltrate the UK political establishment.

 

Given the above, I'd suggest that the most rational conclusion for anyone who feels that this government is failing would be that it is due to their incompetence, and not anything more sinister.

 

Of course, that doesn't fit in so easily with your narrative whereby anyone who doesn't ascribe to your biased and bigoted view of the UK is considered an enemy.

 

There are only really 2 possibilities.

 

1. They hate Britain and this is deliberate.

2. They do not hate Britain and they are monumentally stupid.

 

All the evidence suggests the majority of Labour MP's fall into the first bracket. Thornberry's tweet mocking the white van man who had the temerity to have the St George flag hanging from a window etc. The contempt she had for such a working class Brit was palpable. 

 

But I will concede there are probably a minority that fall into the second. 

 

Then there are the likes of Mastermind Lammy who fall into both brackets. Britain hating AND monumentally stupid. Unfortunately, his was the "great mind" behind the Chagos deal. The same mind that thought Henry VII came after Henry VIII. 

 

Britain is in dire need of a change of government.   

 

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