Is paying the bar to take a girl out of the bar justified? Or just a scam?

[RAZZELL]

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I have a “drinking friend” who lives in the UK who has found “true love” in the bar.

He is 58, divorced and seems fairly well off.

She is damn hot, 26 from Burirum province. Friendly, speaks good English, 8 year old daughter lives in Burirum.

He plans to come to Thailand 2-3 times per year. 
She claims to have about 40,000 in debts with crazy interest which is why she is working the bar.

He is going to pay these debts so she can go back to live with her kid in Burirum, and she can get a normal job and he will top up her salary if needed. 
Everyone happy.

 

Except now the bar is demanding 50,000 baht from him so she can go”retire” from the bar. 
And she is agreeing with the Mamasan. “Justified” because Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc

It is getting ugly.
He is refusing. Mamasan isn’t budging. 
 

Why can’t she just quit like at any other job? 
Interested to hear views from other bar owners.

Is this standard or are they taking the pi55?

 

 

 

 

Basically the "buy me out of the bar" is a ruse by the bar to compensate them for the loss of a "valuable" staff member...

 

The money usually gets divided up between the bar and staff member on say a 70-30 split.

 

It is to enable the girl to go back to work in the bar - a sort of "no hard feelings for leaving you" gift and should enable her return to work if things don't work out. You could even say it comes under "greng jai."

 

I have a mate who owns a bar and they "ask" for about 10k...and sometimes get it. (But the women are mostly in their 40s and 50s and anything but "hot" )

 

What some posters don't get is the "obligation" many Thais feel to any employer or perceived social superiors. Just look at how the staff in a bank, office, or security "wai" their "bosses" in the morning.

 

 

 

 

[Keeps]

52 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

 

Basically the "buy me out of the bar" is a ruse by the bar to compensate them for the loss of a "valuable" staff member...

 

The money usually gets divided up between the bar and staff member on say a 70-30 split.

 

It is to enable the girl to go back to work in the bar - a sort of "no hard feelings for leaving you" gift and should enable her return to work if things don't work out. You could even say it comes under "greng jai."

 

I have a mate who owns a bar and they "ask" for about 10k...and sometimes get it. (But the women are mostly in their 40s and 50s and anything but "hot" )

 

What some posters don't get is the "obligation" many Thais feel to any employer or perceived social superiors. Just look at how the staff in a bank, office, or security "wai" their "bosses" in the morning.

 

 

 

 

I agree. Thai acquaintance of mine owns a bar on Samui and the 'buy out' for a good looking girl is 10k. This is split roughly in the percentages you mention between the bar and girl.

 

Many years ago I was a bit of a barfly. It seemed to be the case that particularly in the smaller bars run by a Thai mamassan, a lot of the girls came from the same village as mamassan. I got the impression they didn't want to cause any ill feeling with the boss by just leaving. This could have ramifications between the families back in the village. The 'buy out' seemed to keep everyone happy and left the door open for a return when/if the relationship with the punter went sour.

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, Keeps said:

I agree. Thai acquaintance of mine owns a bar on Samui and the 'buy out' for a good looking girl is 10k.

So it is a thing and all the other members saying it is not didn’t know what they were talking about.

Can always rely on Keeps for accurate information. 
 

Especially when it comes to paying prostitutes.
 

Thanks champ.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, RAZZELL said:

 

Basically the "buy me out of the bar" is a ruse by the bar to compensate them for the loss of a "valuable" staff member...

 

The money usually gets divided up between the bar and staff member on say a 70-30 split.

 

It is to enable the girl to go back to work in the bar - a sort of "no hard feelings for leaving you" gift and should enable her return to work if things don't work out. You could even say it comes under "greng jai."

 

I have a mate who owns a bar and they "ask" for about 10k...and sometimes get it. (But the women are mostly in their 40s and 50s and anything but "hot" )

 

What some posters don't get is the "obligation" many Thais feel to any employer or perceived social superiors. Just look at how the staff in a bank, office, or security "wai" their "bosses" in the morning.

 

 

 

 

Alright I will tell my friend to just pay it. It is grengjai Thai culture. 
Maybe the bar could give me a free bar fine for managing the negotiations to show me some grengjai also.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Are you aware the world's oldest profession has been around since the beginning of man?  Shortly after Adam and Eve (Eve’s fault) were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. 

 

Or is this a new concept you’ve recently discovered?

 

Are you a “save the world “ and a “do gooder”    type online while participating when “no one’s watching “.?  More likely than not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What was the barfine price for Eve back in the day?

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Alright I will tell my friend to just pay it. It is grengjai Thai culture. 
Maybe the bar could give me a free bar fine for managing the negotiations to show me some grengjai also.

Just pay it, matey................😉...............🤗

[Peabody]

Total scammer.

 

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

whats up with the shaved thing... I hate it.

Makes them look a lot younger

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

If it is a common question, then it has been addressed  previously multiple times.

The purchase of human flesh by losers seeking to exploit vulnerable and desperate people is indeed disgusting.

Repeated discussions n effect normalize the exploitation of  people.

 

 

Only to those who  seek approval of others as they exploit other humans. What's next a price list or a listing of bars on where to find 12 year olds for lewd sexual acts?

 

 

Your trying to cover up what the thread is about: The normalization of sexploitation. You are all for it. and so are some others. Well, I am not. You want to promote the depravity, fine. I can say no to it.

 

 

So you named yourself Patong after the beach and temples?

[Magictoad]

Entirely justified 

[Keeps]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Just pay it, matey................😉...............🤗

He'd probably need a GoFundMe to cobble 10k THB together. 

 

It's also a steep price to pay for what, around 4 days? Can't see it being any longer than that before any self respecting girl would ditch the bogan.

 

Bit out of Malky boys price range.

 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, Keeps said:

Bit out of Malky boys price range.

You are not wrong there.

I think I would prefer the caddy for 500 instead.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

9 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I have a “drinking friend” who lives in the UK who has found “true love” in the bar.

He is 58, divorced and seems fairly well off.

She is damn hot, 26 from Burirum province. Friendly, speaks good English, 8 year old daughter lives in Burirum.

He plans to come to Thailand 2-3 times per year. 
She claims to have about 40,000 in debts with crazy interest which is why she is working the bar.

He is going to pay these debts so she can go back to live with her kid in Burirum, and she can get a normal job and he will top up her salary if needed. 
Everyone happy.

 

Except now the bar is demanding 50,000 baht from him so she can go”retire” from the bar. 
And she is agreeing with the Mamasan. “Justified” because Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc

It is getting ugly.
He is refusing. Mamasan isn’t budging. 
 

Why can’t she just quit like at any other job? 
Interested to hear views from other bar owners.

Is this standard or are they taking the pi55?

FIXED - 

I have a “drinking friend” who lives in the UK who has found “true love” in the bar.

He is 58, divorced and seems fairly well off - but he is an idiot.

[Ralf001]

10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Makes them look a lot younger

Prepubescent ?

[MalcolmB]

7 minutes ago, Keeps said:

any self respecting girl

We are talking prostitutes, not about girls with self respect.

 

Any girl with self respect would be free.

 

Funny how life works.

[swerve]

I think it's mostly a made up scam between the girl and the bar.  However, the girl could owe the bar money from a loan or whatever and the bar wants to get repaid.

[BusyB]

9 hours ago, henryford1958 said:

It's a job, she quits end of story. 

 

Her job is to squeeze as much lucre as possible out of those who swarm around Thailand's bars looking for 'love'. She seems to be quite adept at it.

[JAG]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Why on earth do you old guys think these girls like you

Well in my case it is because I am handsome!

 

On my occasional forays to the very limited bar scene in my neck of the woods I chat, flirt, buy drinks for the girl who I am with and enjoy myself. I don't shag them, bar fine or grope. I do usually enjoy a kiss when I leave the bar. But then, as I said, I am universally regarded as handsome.

[ThreeCardMonte]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

What was the barfine price for Eve back in the day?

 

 

A piece of fresh fruit picked off a tree.

 

A simpler time.

[rumak]

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Because she's a scammer, trying to extort money.

Which gives the guy a good warning.

 

We can explain it to these newbies over and over ........ but we can't understand it for them .   Even after the first scam..... the next one is "different".

[JAG]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

What was the barfine price for Eve back in the day?

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

A piece of fresh fruit picked off a tree.

 

A simpler time.

And my giddy aunt, didn't it cause some trouble!

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

So you named yourself Patong after the beach and temples?

 

Not familiar much with social media abbreviations?

[Patong2021]

7 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Are you aware the world's oldest profession has been around since the beginning of man?  Shortly after Adam and Eve (Eve’s fault) were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. 

 

Or is this a new concept you’ve recently discovered?

 

Are you a “save the world “ and a “do gooder”    type online while participating when “no one’s watching “.?  More likely than not.

 

 

Murder, incest,  spousal and child abuse have also been around just as long.  Your logic holds that we should turn a blind eye to it  as well. A wrongful act is a wrongful act.

 

The beneficiaries of bar fines are pimps. They make their living from the sale of men women, boys and girls for sexual acts. they are parasites.  The practice leaves emotionally damaged people. That is why the discussion of whether or not pay a pimp is disgusting

 

[it is what it is]

 

really? this old chestnut again. Zzzzzzzz 🥱

[pub2022]

Run away.

 

Lady from bars are just for a one night fun.

[Jenkins9039]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I have a “drinking friend” who lives in the UK who has found “true love” in the bar.

He is 58, divorced and seems fairly well off.

She is damn hot, 26 from Burirum province. Friendly, speaks good English, 8 year old daughter lives in Burirum.

He plans to come to Thailand 2-3 times per year. 
She claims to have about 40,000 in debts with crazy interest which is why she is working the bar.

He is going to pay these debts so she can go back to live with her kid in Burirum, and she can get a normal job and he will top up her salary if needed. 
Everyone happy.

 

Except now the bar is demanding 50,000 baht from him so she can go”retire” from the bar. 
And she is agreeing with the Mamasan. “Justified” because Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc

It is getting ugly.
He is refusing. Mamasan isn’t budging. 
 

Why can’t she just quit like at any other job? 
Interested to hear views from other bar owners.

Is this standard or are they taking the pi55?

 

 

 

Technically its human trafficking by the bar, prostitution by the girl, and paying for prostitution / to the pimp by the guy.

 

All breaking the law.

[lamyai3]

13 hours ago, Keeps said:

If you say the last three quickly, it sounds like somewhere I visited once in Scotland. 

 

Oak, Ai, Da, Noo... 

[lamyai3]

9 hours ago, RAZZELL said:

I have a mate who owns a bar and they "ask" for about 10k...

 

It always used to be 10k, even in the most popular bars, 50k is absolutely taking the pi$$.

[mangkut70]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Has anyone ever heard of anyone paying this before?

The bar seems to think it is standard process.

 

 

 

different city, quite a while ago and less money involved... but yes.

barfine back then was 200thb, the farewell payment 8500thb.

The way I understand it: this is a mixture of things and dependencies.
On a business level, the bar loses an earner. For an hour or a night, it's a barfine. For a long holiday with a customer or a total checkout, it's a larger sum.
Often, the girls are very much integrated into a bar, almost like family, living, sleeping, eating there. Think of it as a kind of sin sot and "go with our blessing"—nobody will talk badly about the girl, and if things don't work out, the door will be open.

 

 

  

 

[MalcolmB]

6 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

 

It always used to be 10k, even in the most popular bars, 50k is absolutely taking the pi$$.

Thankyou.

A lot of the less inexperienced members were trying to say it wasn’t a thing at all.