7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Is that why the head of Police put out a statement hours after the Liverpool car rampage naming the driver and his Nationality immediately before  wrong info was given out on social media.

 

Probably. Lessons were learned after Southport which I agree was very badly managed, but some folk are slow learners.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Probably. Lessons were learned after Southport which I agree was very badly managed, but some folk are slow learners.

I take on board it started as false information to start with but the Police and starmer hid the true facts about this piece of scum trying to portray him as a child like choir boy and from Wales. All lies to defuse the potential for a all out riot on the streets. When infact he was living close with parents who  came to the UK from Africa.

Just now, BarraMarra said:

I take on board it started as false information to start with but the Police and starmer hid the true facts about this piece of scum trying to portray him as a child like choir boy and from Wales. All lies to defuse the potential for a all out riot on the streets. When infact he was living close with parents who  came to the UK from Africa.

 

I do not recall any media effort to portray the murderer as "choir boy from Wales". In lieu of anything the police released later, that was probably the only picture that was in the public domain at the time. That isn't Starmer's fault. The age of the murderer was also a significant legal factor in why he could not be publicly identified sooner.

 

Now he's been identified and convicted, if you search on social media, there's probably only about four pictures of him, two of which are the ones issued at the time. The murderer was British-born, and the ethnicity and UK immigration status of his Rwandan parents is irrelevant.

 

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

 The murderer was British-born, and the ethnicity and UK immigration status of his Rwandan parents is irrelevant.

 

Yes his parents pleaded total innocence. Their son was out of control and could do nothing about him. May be.

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Is that why the head of Police put out a statement hours after the Liverpool car rampage naming the driver and his Nationality immediately before  wrong info was given out on social media.

And a much more recent photo not a photo when he was a 14 year choir boy.

7 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

This one ?

No.  The one i was referring to actually happened many years ago. i only found out about it when someone i knew said he had to go and see his ex wife and she was resident in the high class flats, rented via housing society or council .

Although a friend, i would of had nightmares at the thought of having him as a neighbour or even resident in the same block. Probably same area (ocean Village) though just another project.   

Unless things have changed in the last few years it seems/was very prevalent in Southampton.

2 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Yes his parents pleaded total innocence. Their son was out of control and could do nothing about him. May be.

 

I haven't read or heard any direct quotes from his parents. They obviously struggled with his behaviour, but it appears the heaviest 'punishments' for carrying knives into school were being banned or suspended from schools. The government scheme called Prevent can also be apportioned some blame as they reportedly 'intervened' at least three times over the years. He was on a watch list, but they still managed to miss opportunities to at least have him sectioned. 

 

His father stopped him getting in a taxi to go to his old school where he claimed to have been bullied and, armed with a knife, was going to kill the bullies. The following week, it appears he was going to walk to the school, but then went into the dance class and committed the assaults and murders. It was almost like a secondary target.

29 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

I haven't read or heard any direct quotes from his parents. They obviously struggled with his behaviour, but it appears the heaviest 'punishments' for carrying knives into school were being banned or suspended from schools. The government scheme called Prevent can also be apportioned some blame as they reportedly 'intervened' at least three times over the years. He was on a watch list, but they still managed to miss opportunities to at least have him sectioned. 

 

His father stopped him getting in a taxi to go to his old school where he claimed to have been bullied and, armed with a knife, was going to kill the bullies. The following week, it appears he was going to walk to the school, but then went into the dance class and committed the assaults and murders. It was almost like a secondary target.

Successive Governments had threatened to bring in laws to hold parents of feral youths responsible. Something that I actually thought was a daft idea. 

12 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Successive Governments had threatened to bring in laws to hold parents of feral youths responsible. Something that I actually thought was a daft idea. 

 

I recall at least two successful prosecutions of delinquent parents in the US. These linked to shooting incidents carried out by their errant progeny, where I believe the parents allowed them access to firearms or knew they had them already? Firearms are for the most part legal in the US so that may have been a challenging prosecution, but it was successful.

 

I believe simple possession of a knife in public is totally illegal in the UK, but "bad parenting" alone isn't a prosecutable offense. I wonder how many parents know or even allow their kids to carry? I wonder how many parents are aware of the dangers their children face every day? I wonder how many children have told their parents about the bullying, the peer pressure and the gangs? How many parents take an interest in who their children are befriending or hanging out with?

On 6/27/2025 at 9:33 AM, NanLaew said:

 

The Southport rioting was PRIMARILY caused by a post on social media, subsequently proven to be from malicious parties, stating that the attacker was an illegal immigrant who had just arrived in the country. It makes absolutely no difference what picture of the murderer was released because most of the rioters don't like coloured people anyway. This is evidenced in their trying to set fire to a hotel with coloured people in it.

 

Light the blue touch paper of the ignorant and ill-advised, and stand well back from the drunken lynch mob that ensues.

 

No, it was PRIMARILY caused by allowing Rwandans into the UK to live permanently.