TM30 Required Still ?

[Jumbo1968]

Yes I know this has been discussed before many times, when theTM6 was in force a TM30 was never required at Jomtien providing you were returning to the same address and on a Retirement Visa. When they temporarily stopped it, it was. 
With the introduction of the Digital Arrival Card is a TM30  still required ?

in my current rental property the owner for some reason has never added her name to the Tabien Baan, the name is of the previous owner who died.

[DrJack54]

When returning to same address after trip abroad a TM30 (should Not) be required. 

You mention Jomtien...in the past they have flipped flopped on this. 

Most recent report I've seen was Jomtien not require TM30 if returning to same address. 

[Briggsy]

I was in Jomtien yesterday for a CoR. I had a TM30 from my second to last entry but not the most recent entry. 

 

I was told I must do a TM30 every time I enter even if it was the same address. I had to waste 2 hours getting a new TM30 before they would allow me to apply for the CoR and I also had to pay a fine of 1600 Baht because I had entered Thailand more than 3 days previous and thus the TM30 was 'late'.

 

So, in answer to the OP's question, if you plan to do anything with Jomthien Immigration, expect them to insist upon a TM30 from your most recent entry to Thailand. They won't allow you to go on and do the task you actually went there for until the TM30 refers to the most recent entry.

[asiacurious]

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

I was told I must do a TM30 every time I enter even if it was the same address.  I had to waste 2 hours getting a new TM30 before they would allow me to apply for the CoR and I also had to pay a fine of 1600 Baht because I had entered Thailand more than 3 days previous and thus the TM30 was 'late'.

 

Ugh. What a freaking pain.  I think they probably just wanted to fine you.  It's not needed if re-entering on the same visa (or any extensions to that visa).  They should be aware of this, and I've linked to the official documentation below.  There's an unofficial English translation pdf that's been shared in these pages previously, but any time it gets posted, a moderator seems to delete the file. 

 

Basically, you DO need to do a new TM30 if you change visa types or get a new visa.  (For example, if you have a 6-month tourist visa and you leave the country multiple times during that visa's validity, you only need to do a TM30 once. But if the end of that 6 month tourist visa you get a new tourist visa or change to any other type of visa, you'll need to do a new TM30.) 

 

A few years ago, this document was released (this is an unofficial English translation and I link to the official Thai document further down).... 

 

 

And the document reads in part.... 

 

 

 

The official document (in Thai) can be found on the Thai Parliament's website, the Legislative Institutional Repository of Thailand.  Here's the link: https://dl.parliament.go.th/handle/20.500.13072/563662

 

I suggest downloading it and bringing a copy with you whenever you visit immigration.  It saved me from the headache Briggsy faced. (I'm hoping this link won't get removed. It is after all, a link to the official government publication of the regulation, made publicly available by the Thai Government.)

 

As for the English unofficial English translation, it can be difficult to locate online. 

 

If this happened to me, I'd probably go back and get my 1600 Baht back. And if no joy, I'd lodge an official complaint.  Of course, I'd gauge what impact this might have on future interactions with them first!

[MarkBR]

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

I was in Jomtien yesterday for a CoR. I had a TM30 from my second to last entry but not the most recent entry. 

 

I was told I must do a TM30 every time I enter even if it was the same address. I had to waste 2 hours getting a new TM30 before they would allow me to apply for the CoR and I also had to pay a fine of 1600 Baht because I had entered Thailand more than 3 days previous and thus the TM30 was 'late'.

 

So, in answer to the OP's question, if you plan to do anything with Jomthien Immigration, expect them to insist upon a TM30 from your most recent entry to Thailand. They won't allow you to go on and do the task you actually went there for until the TM30 refers to the most recent entry.

Each Imm. place makes up rules as they go along.  Wish there was a furious emoticon.   Are they incapable of being consistent throughout Thailand? This is a rhetorical question.

[asiacurious]

Just now, MarkBR said:

Each Imm. place makes up rules as they go along.  Wish there was a furious emoticon.   Are they incapable of being consistent throughout Thailand? This is a rhetorical question.

 

A particular IO might make up their own arbitrary rules, but when presented with the actual regulation on a sheet of paper, in Thai, directly from the Thai Government website, my experience has been that they back down.

 

My general rule of thumb in life is that knowledge is power.  When someone thinks that you don't know... they'll insist and you'll comply. But when they find out you do know... you can insist and they'll comply.

 

 

[Yumthai]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

When returning to same address after trip abroad a TM30 (should Not) be required. 

Few months ago in CW IO stated a new TM30 record is required, even returning to same address, after each new entry stamp in passport.

I then assume the last entry stamp should always be linked to the most up-to-date residential address/TM30.

[asiacurious]

6 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

Few months ago in CW IO stated a new TM30 record is required, even returning to same address, after each new entry stamp in passport.

I then assume the last entry stamp should always be linked to the most up-to-date residential address/TM30.

 

I suggest you download the official regulation (in my previous reply) and bring it with you next time.

 

CW is the Imm Office I go to, and I've always found them to be sticklers for following the rules. 

 

When an IO once told me what you've been told, I shared a highlighted copy of the regulation (in Thai) and that resolved the issue.

 

Of course the government is always free to change the law and it's possible they've recently done so.  But then they'll have something in black and white that documents the new regulation which they can refer to.  I'm not going to argue with them if they have a basis for their requirement, but I will most definitely stand my ground if it's clear they have no basis.