While Trump fails, Carney outsmarts him once again

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Trump checkmate coming soon, kids. 

 

 

In two weeks, right? Then another two weeks, then another, ad infinitum.

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes that for sure plus the fact he is obese,he can't even score a woman in Thailand.

Naw fat guys just pay extra.

 

Notice the lefty Democrat body shaming. Bet ya call folks fag too.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

In two weeks, right? Then another two weeks, then another, ad infinitum.

Well yeah.

Three years Trump

8 years Vance

8years Rubio

8 years Donald

 

That should take of most lifespans here

[gargamon]

32 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

LILLEY: Softwood lumber tariffs soar as Mark Carney's plan fails to deliver

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/softwood-lumber-tariffs-soar-as-carneys-plan-fails-to-deliver

 

"Since Carney won the election, tariffs on steel and aluminum have gone from 25% to 50%, copper has had a 50% tariff added to it, anything related to automotive deemed not compliant with CUSMA has a 50% tariff, general exports not covered by CUSMA have a 35% tariff and now so too does softwood lumber."

 

It looks to me and other patriot American voters that left wing Carney has been outsmarted by the master of the deal, President Trump. Trump just keeps on winning. 

The Toronto Sun is another fox news and should also be ignored.

[Mike_Hunt]

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Trump lives in your head 24/7

This is true. 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, JakeC said:

normal women.

I forgot, are you alleging that Thai ladies in the bar industry are not "normal"? Even when they are now happily married? You think  roads get more worn out if there is a toll?

[JakeC]

@Yagoda I have nothing to do with 'bar girls', so I wouldn't know. It seems that you regard yourself as an expert on such things. 

[Mike_Hunt]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Canada is a huge source of oil for the US, in the middle of summer when Texas cranks the AC and California battles wildfires, it's Canadian Hydro dams keeping US cities from going dark, your city is wired into Ottawa's Mercy. Here's the part nobody wants to talk about, Canada has proved it can shut it all down oil, electricity, and trade anytime, and not with bombs, not with armies, with just a single political decision. The most important part is that most Americans will have no idea about this until the lights go out.

 

This is a brilliant political ambush that Mark Carney wages against Trump. While Trump was raging with his juvenile tweets, Carney was online with Mexico's president to make an offer the United States could not match. Reliability within 48 Hours. Canada and Mexico shocked the world, they unveiled the Northern Corridor, a trade Super Highway designed to treat America not as a partner but it has an obstacle, to ship around. Carney's exact words "when one door closes, we will find a better door". That wasn't a diplomacy, that was a declaration of economic independence. And Canada has just come up with a way to tax American transport between the US and Alaska, due to poor American policy those shipments are going to become far more expensive, as America cannot afford to ship them by sea. Oops. Didn't think about that. 

 

What Washington doesn't understand is that in 2025 it's not about who screams the loudest, it's about who the world can't function without. Canada has built themselves into the one country American can't cut out regardless of how reckless Trump behaves. They have total infrastructure integration, your iPhone uses Canadian hydroelectric power, your home is built with superior Canadian lumber, your car runs on Canadian oil, you can't replace all of that overnight.

 

In February a lumber mill in Illinois closed. Because Canadian lumber suddenly became too expensive, after Trump's tariff terrors. This wasn't a failing mill, this was a mill that had been running for 60 years, employing 300 families. It didn't die from Canadian competition, Trump killed it. It died from bad American policy.

 

There is no surge capacity to replace Canadian imports, even analysts on Fox Business admitted it could take a decade to rebuild domestic production. And even if rebuilt, will it be competitive? So instead of protecting American jobs, tariffs will do the opposite, they will make lumber unaffordable in the middle of a housing crisis, and while America is having a political meltdown, Canada was having a strategy meeting. Trump expected the usual script, retaliation, angry press conferences, maybe a new round of tariffs. Instead Canada did something no one saw coming, no shouting, no threats, no photo ops with fingerpointing, politicians stepped up to a podium and announced a 1 billion dollar support program for Canadian lumber companies. Every company taking the money had to commit to Canada's new 25 billion dollar domestic housing program, in other words America just gave us our own lumber back and we're going to use it to fuel a big housing bill. Thanks for the favor Trump!

 

Because of silly political grand standing a kitchen renovation that cost $30,000 in January now costs $35,000. Not because there wasn't enough wood or steel but because of political theater in Washington. Multiply that by millions throughout America. Trump promised to fix the housing crisis, but instead he's destroying it.

 

If Canada, America's closest ally with the longest undefended border could openly defy US pressure, then the question becames avoidable for the rest of the world. What's stopping us from doing the same? Maybe we don't need American approval, China took notice, the EU took notice, so did Mexico. Many other countries did too. 

 

Trump is too dim to understand that Canada has infrastructure indispensability, you can't sanction a country when you run on their oil, you can't bully a partner when you run in their electricity. Canada won't beat America by force, they'll beat America with integration. America's grid was built using cheap Canadian electricity and America just proved it's willing to hurt its own people to make a political point.

 

American can no longer be counted upon for reliability and that's not a trade war, that is a trade crisis. America has a superpower credibility crisis. There's a moment during every empire is history when the mirror doesn't recognize the face staring back. August 1st was America's mirror moment, Trump thought he was teaching a lesson, instead Canada gave America a master class in independence.

 

While America was busy building walls Canada was busy building bridges to Mexico, to Europe, and to Asia. America barked demand for loyalty, Canada quietly earned reliability. Every new home or skyscraper you see, you're looking at Canadian lumber.

 

Here's what the next decade looks like if nothing changes. America drifts into self-imposed isolation as one partner after another quietly diversifies away from US dependence. The EU, Canada and China step into the vacuum, as the predictable hub of trade, dealing with whoever treats them fairly and the US continues its March into  irrelevance, and it's economy starts to shrink, inflation skyrockets, and joblessness becomes a major problem. 

 

The guiding principle that Trump not only ignores but has a complete lack of understanding about, is that America became the greatest economy on the planet due to a lack of tariffs, due to very low import taxes. You don't tax your way out of a deficit, the deficit is there for a reason, ignoring the reason for that deficit and simply focusing on the symptoms is a recipe for disaster. We'll have to call it the Trump economy, we will have to call it the Trump depression, and we will have to call Trump the worst and most destructive  president America has ever seen. 

 

 

 

 

Here is a summary from ChatGPT

 

Canada under Carney is strategically strengthening ties with Mexico, diversifying its trade posture, and reinforcing resilience against U.S. tariffs and policy shocks. Initiatives like the Northern Corridor and domestic aid to lumber firms are real and significant.

But many of the dramatic claims in your narrative—including Canadian control over U.S. energy/electricity and domestic infrastructure dependency—are unverified speculation. They make for compelling rhetoric—but the reality is more nuanced and grounded in conventional economic statecraft, not geopolitical blackmail.

[NoDisplayName]

43 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

Since Carney won the election, tariffs on steel and aluminum have gone from 25% to 50%, copper has had a 50% tariff added to it, anything related to automotive deemed not compliant with CUSMA has a 50% tariff, general exports not covered by CUSMA have a 35% tariff and now so too does softwood lumber.

 

You are aware, are you not, that Canada does not pay the tariffs.  These are nothing but taxes added to the price paid by the American consumer.

 

Oh, the winning!

[JakeC]

I don't think the OP stated anything about "geopolitical blackmail". I think he suggested "outsmarted".

[ronnie50]

3 hours ago, blaze master said:

Alberta wants to separate. Saskatchewan and parts of BC also.

 

Note about Canadian oil. It's also refined in the US and then sold back to Canada.

 

So some of these things are not so simple is what i'm getting at.

Canada's MAGA-version in Alberta have always been spouting off about perceived unfair treatment from Ottawa. It goes back decades. There's some justification, but the loudmouths don't speak for the majority, who would be crazy to leave a G7 country like Canada. Same goes (even more so) for Saskatchewan. 

 

Regarding oil refineries, it's not a big deal to build a few extra refineries if necessary, so it is rather simple, actually. Canada has energy that the United States needs. The U.S. needs more fresh water too, but Canada has steadfastly, through the decades, refused the idea of freshwater pipelines or shipments of water to the western United States.

 

Sidelining the United States was a good idea (with Mexico), but Mexico is a hesitant partner thus far.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

a G7 country like Canada.

They are a G7 country because of us. 

[blaze master]

6 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Canada's MAGA-version in Alberta have always been spouting off about perceived unfair treatment from Ottawa. It goes back decades. There's some justification, but the loudmouths don't speak for the majority, who would be crazy to leave a G7 country like Canada. Same goes (even more so) for Saskatchewan. 

 

Regarding oil refineries, it's not a big deal to build a few extra refineries if necessary, so it is rather simple, actually. Canada has energy that the United States needs. The U.S. needs more fresh water too, but Canada has steadfastly, through the decades, refused the idea of freshwater pipelines or shipments of water to the western United States.

 

Sidelining the United States was a good idea (with Mexico), but Mexico is a hesitant partner thus far.

 

If its no biggie to build refineries....then why hasn't it been done already.

 

Your opening sentence speaks volumes to any reasonable conversation. 

[Bacon1]

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[JakeC]

@Yagoda Revealing that you know exactly where the 'ladyboys' hang out. Weird. Curious? Not something that interests me.

Therein lies the crux of the matter. People who are different from me do not concern me, as long as they don't bother me. But you seem to be bothered by a lot of things. All whilst pretending that you are living this great life.

I live a good life and am happy for others to do so too. You seem to need to find an outlet for your hate. Who hurt you?

 

 

[JakeC]

Okay...good to see we are back on track with the topic...

[BLMFem]

49 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

PLease set forth what makes Trump a madman.

 

Do you think he is a Russian asset? I bet his morals bother you, deacon.

What morals?

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JakeC said:

Revealing that you know exactly where the 'ladyboys' hang out. Weird. Curious? Not something that interests me.

Yet you bring it up

 

1 minute ago, JakeC said:

You seem to need to find an outlet for your hate. Who hurt you?

Nice try, but Wellman you are not. When did you first decide you were curious about Ladyboys in Thailand?

[JakeC]

Not curious at all and you brought them up. Ask yourself why.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

What morals?

Same as yours.

[Wingate]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Yeah 1000 topics we could talk about but lets talk Trump again? 

Perhaps Trump is in your head, because OP's post was largely about Canada, and what Canada is doing to obviate Trump's silliness and ignorance. Canada's actions are a new topic, as nothing as detailed as the OP's post about Canada has been posted.

 

Yes, it peripherally involves Trump, because his stupidity is what led to Canada's actions, and the fact Trump's Carnival People Administration lacks the brains to advise Trump what other nations might do.

 

I'm certainly glad I don't live in Alaska, because whether goods come by boat or via the Yukon, prices are going to rise. I guess Trump never looked at a map and noticed there's a big piece of Canada sitting between the Continental 48 and Alaska. Alaskan oil is also going to become more expensive, since parts for drilling and the pipeline are going to cost more, getting to Alaska either by boat or taxed crossing into Canada on the land route.

[NoDisplayName]

13 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

If its no biggie to build refineries....then why hasn't it been done already.

 

Your opening sentence speaks volumes to any reasonable conversation. 

 

I'm sure Putin and Xi would be happy to lend a hand with refinery construction.

 

Maybe even build a few military bases to help protect Canada's freedom from American aggression.

 

There's always room in BRICS and SCO for new members.

[Wingate]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Can you imagine being so full of hate and rage over a business deal or a firing 45 years ago that you spend all of you're retired time stealing, plagiarizing and cutting and pasting anything you can find to attack Donald Trump.

 

Give it up dude if he ruined your career you'll probably deserved it. You're chasing him throughout the decades is more of a comment about your deranged mental state than anything he's ever done.

 

Someone needs to run his Screech through chat BPT and see who it's stolen from.

Your messiah is so upset about a joke Obama told at a WCD gala more than a decade ago, that he's still trying to get back. In the intervening period the clown made up the Birther story and tried to undue everything Obama did (although he did take false credit for things Obama did that remained quite popular).

 

It's also your messiah who stays up all night whining on his Truth Social when somebody who might not even be of political importance says something critical of him, whether that's Taylor Swift, Bruce Springsteen, Jimmy Kimmel, Charlemagne tha God, Sen Warren, etc.

[Keep Right]

"Carney was elected to do one thing, and it took him four months on the job to FAIL!"

 

https://www.facebook.com/CanadaProud.org/posts/carney-was-elected-to-do-one-thing-and-it-took-him-four-months-on-the-job-to-fai/1087237506923460/

 

Carney has failed again to make a deal with Trump which will haunt him forever. Carney is a failed leader just like Justin Trudeau. So sad for the Canuks. 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Your messiah is so upset about a joke Obama told at a WCD gala more than a decade ago, that he's still trying to get back. In the intervening period the clown made up the Birther story and tried to undue everything Obama did (although he did take false credit for things Obama did that remained quite popular).

 

It's also your messiah who stays up all night whining on his Truth Social when somebody who might not even be of political importance says something critical of him, whether that's Taylor Swift, Bruce Springsteen, Jimmy Kimmel, Charlemagne tha God, Sen Warren, etc.

So? Whats the problem. What lies does he tell?

 

Trump is pissed at himself from falling into Obamas birther trap and now hes paying that tactic back in spades,

 

As to the OP, It isnt just the constant spittledribbling stolen stream of cut and paste nonsense, its the lies. 

 

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I'm sure Putin and Xi would be happy to lend a hand with refinery construction.

 

Maybe even build a few military bases to help protect Canada's freedom from American aggression.

 

There's always room in BRICS and SCO for new members.

Ouch. Change your user name to Vlad the Impaler.

 

Bet the chinese and Russkies are great at following environmental rules.

[JakeC]

@Keep Right Carney was elected to take Trump on, not to just play his game. He decided to go his own way. That obviously stings.

Trumps is making the rules for the U.S. No one is obliged to agree when they have other choices. Deal with it.

[JakeC]

@Yagoda Everyone knows by now that all of your descriptions really just apply to yourself. You are telling us about you. 70 and still cannot see that?

Your 'political views' really just represent you. Most decent people would be reviled.

[BLMFem]

34 minutes ago, JakeC said:

I don't think the OP stated anything about "geopolitical blackmail". I think he suggested "outsmarted".

 

40 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Here is a summary from ChatGPT

 

 

Canada under Carney is strategically strengthening ties with Mexico, diversifying its trade posture, and reinforcing resilience against U.S. tariffs and policy shocks. Initiatives like the Northern Corridor and domestic aid to lumber firms are real and significant.

But many of the dramatic claims in your narrative—including Canadian control over U.S. energy/electricity and domestic infrastructure dependency—are unverified speculation. They make for compelling rhetoric—but the reality is more nuanced and grounded in conventional economic statecraft, not geopolitical blackmail.

 

38 minutes ago, JakeC said:

I don't think the OP stated anything about "geopolitical blackmail". I think he suggested "outsmarted".

Exactly, which makes his quote from ChatGPT a lie. Poor guy, must have been desperate to resort to such lame tactics.

[NoDisplayName]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Ouch. Change your user name to Vlad the Impaler.

 

Bet the chinese and Russkies are great at following environmental rules.

 

As good as Trump the environmentalist?

 

President Trump directed agencies that regulate energy and the environment to sunset a wide array of environmental protections in an executive order issued Wednesday night.

He ordered agencies including the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Energy Department, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement and Fish and Wildlife Service to amend regulations so that they expire by October 2026.

The order applies to all regulations issued under laws governing things like energy appliance standards, mining and offshore drilling — as well as regulations issued under the Endangered Species Act.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5242921-trump-executive-order-environmental-protections-sunset/