19 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Dr to patient     "how can i help you ?"

patient to dr      "Id like surgery to affirm my gender"

dr to patient      "Which is ?"

patient to dr      "Non binary yet questioning"

dr to patient     " i'll book you in for a lobotomy then "  

Rubbish! 😁

If such a conversation were to take place, I'd advise the doctor to do a removal of any external sex organs (penis/scrotum or vagina). Then, later, if and when the person did finally identify with a specific gender, another surgery could be done to either restore or replace these organs.

 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

We lefties are progressives and we, at least I, have been "woke" for many, many years.

 

And it is time that " You lefties " woke up to reality.

 

Produce a serious medical paper ( A Tinder Chart doesn't count ) That espouses anything beyond Males, Females and an small sprinkling of Hermaphrodities.

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree in your "either/or" opinion.

If a "bloke" (someone mainly biologically male) wears a dress and lipstick (identifies with the female gender), that does make him a "bloke in a dress." Another term for that is a "transgender person."

We lefties are progressives and we, at least I, have been "woke" for many, many years.

Well, I’ll agree to disagree - per Wiki:  

What Does Transvestite Mean?

Definition: Transvestite refers to individuals who dress in clothing typically associated with a different gender, often for personal expression or entertainment.

Key Characteristics:

Not related to gender identity or sexual orientation.

Transvestites typically identify with the gender they were assigned at birth.

The term is less commonly used today, with cross-dresserbeing a more accepted alternative.

Example: A man who enjoys wearing traditionally feminine attire, such as dresses or makeup, may identify as a transvestite or cross-dresser.

 

Dont matter to me either way, just my observation.  Changing the definition of a word or subject doesn’t mean its an accurate description.

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree in your "either/or" opinion.

 

It's not an opinion.

 

It is a biological fact.

 

17 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

If such a conversation were to take place, I'd advise the doctor to do a removal of any external sex organs (penis/scrotum or vagina). Then, later, if and when the person did finally identify with a specific gender, another surgery could be done to either restore or replace these organs.

Comments like this show that the alphabet supporters are equally as mentally ill/deranged….if not more so.

33 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Comments like this show that the alphabet supporters are equally as mentally ill/deranged….if not more so.

What's amazing is an author of 10 books thinks you can sew a penis on, and it'll work.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

Can you explain why "gender reaffirming" surgery is only able to reaffirm one of just two genders?   Hmmm thats a difficult one isn't it ?

No, because your statement is incorrect.

57 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree in your "either/or" opinion.

If a "bloke" (someone mainly biologically male) wears a dress and lipstick (identifies with the female gender), that does make him a "bloke in a dress." Another term for that is a "transgender person."

We lefties are progressives and we, at least I, have been "woke" for many, many years.

Incorrect. A man who dresses like a woman is transvestite.

This article is an interesting read. It backs up some of what @WDSmartsays. It also debunks those suggesting we are talking about "blokes in dresses and lipstick".

 

I'm only posting this for reference. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763420306540

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48 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What's amazing is an author of 10 books thinks you can sew a penis on, and it'll work.

I think they’re working on interchangeable snap on/off body parts now.

 

The doctor will see you now 😁

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

And it is time that " You lefties " woke up to reality.

 

Produce a serious medical paper ( A Tinder Chart doesn't count ) That espouses anything beyond Males, Females and an small sprinkling of Hermaphrodities.

This is part of the problem. You, and many others here, are only concerned with our simplistic and inaccurate either/or classification of "biological sex." I'm much more concerned with gender DEI, that is, the social treatment of someone depending on their choice of gender. 

2 hours ago, Explorator en Actione said:

Well, I’ll agree to disagree - per Wiki:  

What Does Transvestite Mean?

Definition: Transvestite refers to individuals who dress in clothing typically associated with a different gender, often for personal expression or entertainment.

Key Characteristics:

Not related to gender identity or sexual orientation.

Transvestites typically identify with the gender they were assigned at birth.

The term is less commonly used today, with cross-dresserbeing a more accepted alternative.

Example: A man who enjoys wearing traditionally feminine attire, such as dresses or makeup, may identify as a transvestite or cross-dresser.

 

Dont matter to me either way, just my observation.  Changing the definition of a word or subject doesn’t mean its an accurate description.

I also agree to disagree, but do appreciate your reintroduction of the word "tranvestite."

I do, however, think a transvestite is not necessarily a transgender. As you said above in one of your defining characteristics, "Transvestites typically identify with the gender they were assigned at birth." Transgenders do not. That's what makes them transgender.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

This is part of the problem. You, and many others here, are only concerned with our simplistic and inaccurate either/or classification of "biological sex." I'm much more concerned with gender DEI, that is, the social treatment of someone depending on their choice of gender. 

 

Right OK.

 

Obviously you have no idea about the background to the actual topic.

 

The UK Supreme Court was asked to make a ruling on the word " Sex " in relation to the equalities Act 2010.

 

The Supreme Court ruled that the word ";Sex " meant Biological Sex. It further ruled that Single sex spaces are protected spaces, for people born of that biological sex.

 

With me so far ? Happy. or would you like to go and argue with the UK Supreme Court ?
 

It also ruled that protections for other protected characteristics remained in place.

 

The only problem here, is people that cannot understand that a single sex space, is exactly that, a single sex space.

 

It has got nothing to do with gender, made up genders, or any other nonsense, trying to conflate gender with Biological sex.

 

In really simple terms, that anybody can / should understand 

 

Born with meat and 2 veg = Use the gents

 

Born with an axe wound = Use the ladies.

 

If you have gone through surgery, and still resemble Hulk Hogan, you are liable to be arrested for trying to use a female only space.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree in your "either/or" opinion.

 

It's not an opinion.

 

It is a biological fact.

There are no "biological facts," or, as an aside, any such thing as a "scientific fact." All these "facts" are just our opinion, delusions created by our intellect. Nature (biology) is never "either/or" or even logical. There are no rules. It is all just a smooth curve, not an either/or.

2 hours ago, Airalee said:

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

If such a conversation were to take place, I'd advise the doctor to do a removal of any external sex organs (penis/scrotum or vagina). Then, later, if and when the person did finally identify with a specific gender, another surgery could be done to either restore or replace these organs.

Comments like this show that the alphabet supporters are equally as mentally ill/deranged….if not more so.

After I posted this, I later decided it was not appropriate.

Anything done would not have been a "gender-affirming" surgery. Because of the patient's indecision, it would have been a "gender-disaffirming" survey. What I believe the doctor should have done is nothing, at least until the patient decided on what gender he/she preferred to be.

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Incorrect. A man who dresses like a woman is transvestite.

Yes, you could call them that, but not all transvestites are transgenders. A transgender is someone who identifies with a gender not compatible with their biological sex classification. Not all transvestites do that. 

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

There are no "biological facts," or, as an aside, any such thing as a "scientific fact." All these "facts" are just our opinion, delusions created by our intellect. Nature (biology) is never "either/or" or even logical. There are no rules. It is all just a smooth curve, not an either/or.

 

If you are trying to sound wise and enlightened it is not working. 😃

 

You sound like a 15 year old who just tried mushrooms for the first time while watching The Matrix. 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, you could call them that, but not all transvestites are transgenders. A transgender is someone who identifies with a gender not compatible with their biological sex classification. Not all transvestites do that. 

I know. That's why I wrote what's in my comment.

 

Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry like to dress in women's clothing but have no desire to live like a women. They are transvestite.

9 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Right OK.

 

Obviously you have no idea about the background to the actual topic.

 

The UK Supreme Court was asked to make a ruling on the word " Sex " in relation to the equalities Act 2010.

 

The Supreme Court ruled that the word ";Sex " meant Biological Sex. It further ruled that Single sex spaces are protected spaces, for people born of that biological sex.

 

With me so far ? Happy. or would you like to go and argue with the UK Supreme Court ?
 

It also ruled that protections for other protected characteristics remained in place.

 

The only problem here, is people that cannot understand that a single sex space, is exactly that, a single sex space.

 

It has got nothing to do with gender, made up genders, or any other nonsense, trying to conflate gender with Biological sex.

 

In really simple terms, that anybody can / should understand 

 

Born with meat and 2 veg = Use the gents

 

Born with an axe wound = Use the ladies.

 

If you have gone through surgery, and still resemble Hulk Hogan, you are liable to be arrested for trying to use a female only space.

How, then, do you determine someone's "sex"?

I your post above, you suggest that it is determined by external physical characteristics. There are other characteristics that also determine the "biological sex" of someone. They are:
- Internal physical (womb. ovaries)
- Chromosones (XX or XY)
- Hormones (estrogen/androgen)

So, if SCOTUS defined the term "sex" as "biological sex," did it also spell out just how that would be determined?

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

If you are trying to sound wise and enlightened it is not working. 😃

 

You sound like a 15 year old who just tried mushrooms for the first time while watching The Matrix. 

I am 79 years old and have conducted extensive research on this topic. Nature (reality) is pure chaos. Any order we (humans) think we find in it is just some delusion we've created and projected out onto it. 

5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I know. That's why I wrote what's in my comment.

 

Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry like to dress in women's clothing but have no desire to live like a women. They are transvestite.

 

Wrong.

 

Eddie Izzard now calls himself Suzy and wants to use female pronouns.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2023/03/07/eddie-izzard-reveals-new-name-suzy/11420160002/

 

I guess transvestites aren't as cool these days. 

Just now, WDSmart said:

I am 79 years old and have conducted extensive research on this topic. Nature (reality) is pure chaos. Any order we (humans) think we find in it is just some delusion we've created and projected out onto it. 

 

So you do not believe in biological sex? 😄

 

It's all in our imagination? 😃

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

How, then, do you determine someone's "sex"?

 

There are millions upon millions of hospitals around the world, who determine the Biological sex of newborn babies every day.

 

Take a big long trip, visit them all, and tell them that they are all wrong.

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Wrong.

 

Eddie Izzard now calls himself Suzy and wants to use female pronouns.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2023/03/07/eddie-izzard-reveals-new-name-suzy/11420160002/

 

I guess transvestites aren't as cool these days. 

Wrong.

 

Eddie Izzard has actually said he doesn't mind what name or pronouns people use when referring to him. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/eddie-izzard-suzy-name-gender-preferred-pronouns-b2350323.html

11 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Wrong.

 

Eddie Izzard has actually said he doesn't mind what name or pronouns people use when referring to him. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/eddie-izzard-suzy-name-gender-preferred-pronouns-b2350323.html

 

He's just changing his mind every few minutes to keep people on their toes and stay in the headlines.

 

Typical attention seeking behaviour from trans people. 

3 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

And it is time that " You lefties " woke up to reality.

 

Produce a serious medical paper ( A Tinder Chart doesn't count ) That espouses anything beyond Males, Females and a small sprinkling of Hermaphrodities.

Not that you are in the least bit interested in anything that undermines the nonsense you are peddling:

 

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/body-self

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He's just changing his mind every few minutes to keep people on their toes and stay in the headlines.

 

Typical attention seeking behaviour from trans people. 

I doubt it. However, his decisions do seem to be having an effect on you.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not that you are in the least bit interested in anything that undermines the nonsense you are peddling:

 

What nonsense ?
 

Are you another one that wants to go and argue with the ruling of the UK Supreme Court ?
 

A Harvard magazine has no standing in the UK, the Supreme Court does.

 

Try engaging single brain cell, before rattling keyboard, and making an arse of yourself.

Beloved children's show host Mr. Rogers seemed to have a take on this.