11 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

I get it, you don't like Israel. You make reference to a long standing US contingency plan on Iran and keep trying to blame Israel. Over the past 47 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.

It was Iran which has tried to assassinate the US President 2X. As per the USA's own Congressional documentation; US law enforcement has disrupted multiple potentially lethal Iranian-backed plots in the United States since 2020. During this time frame, the Iranian government has also unsuccessfully targeted critics of its regime who are based in the USA for lethal attack.

Need a reminder of how many times Iran has caused death and injury to US citizens, and presents a threat to US national security?

• November 1979: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran — taking 66 Americans hostage in a 444-day standoff.

• April 1983: The Islamic Jihad, an Iran-backed terrorist group, carried out a suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 Americans.

• October 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 241 U.S. military personnel — including 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel — in a truck bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut.

• March 1984: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists kidnapped CIA station chief William Buckley on his way to work in Beirut, ultimately killing him the following year.

• September 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 23 innocent people — including two American service members — in a car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut.

• December 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 221 en route to Pakistan, diverting it to Tehran — where they brutally tortured and killed two American officials.

• June 1985: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked TWA Flight 847 on its way from Athens to Rome, torturing a U.S. Navy diver before shooting him point blank in the head and tossing his body onto the Beirut airport tarmac.

• July 1989: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while serving with a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

• April 1995: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists killed eight people — including one American citizen — in a car bomb attack in the Gaza Strip.

• August 1995: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers, and wounding more than 100 others.

• February 1996: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up another bus in Jerusalem, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans.

• March 1996: A suicide bomber linked to the Iran-backed Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist groups killed 20 people — including two Americans — in a suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv shopping center.

• May 1996: Iran-backed terrorists killed an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounded another American citizen in the West Bank.

• June 1996: Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz terrorists killed 19 U.S. Airmen and wounded nearly 500 others in a truck bombing at a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia.

• September 1997: Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombers blew themselves up at a shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens.

• August 1998: Al-Qaeda suicide bombers, facilitated by Iran-backed Hezbollah, simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people — including a dozen American citizens.

• August 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a Jerusalem pizzeria, killing three Americans.

• January 2002: An Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade terrorist killed an American-Israeli dual citizen in the West Bank.

• July 2002: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist killed five Americans in a bombing at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

• June 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber killed 17 people — including an American citizen — on a bus in Jerusalem.

• October 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees terrorists killed three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.

• Between 2003 and 2011: Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq — “roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq.”

• August 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American.

• August 2006: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed American citizen and Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier Michael Levin during the Second Lebanon War — the only American to die in the conflict.

• January 2007: A dozen men affiliated with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force killed five U.S. soldiers and wounded three others in Karbala, Iraq, after disguising themselves as U.S. soldiers and entering the Provincial Joint Coordination Center.

• March 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson disappeared in Iran, likely dying in an Iranian prison.

• July 2014: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed two American citizens serving in the IDF.

• October 2015: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed an American citizen and his wife in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank.

• December 2019: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed an American civilian contractor and wounded several U.S. service members in a rocket attack at K1 Air Base in Kirkuk, Iraq.

• January 2020: 109 U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries in an Iranian ballistic missile attack on the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq.

• September 2020: U.S. intelligence indicated the Iranian regime was considering a plot to assassinate the U.S. Ambassador to South Africa.

• February 2021: An Iran-backed militia fired a rocket at coalition forces in Erbil, Iraq, wounding a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.

• July 2021: Iranian-backed militias wounded two U.S. service members in a series of rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.

• September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack killed an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

• November 2022: An IRGC captain orchestrated the killing of an American citizen in Baghdad.

• March 2023: An Iranian drone attack killed an American contractor and wounded five U.S. service members and another contractor in a strike on a coalition base in Syria.

• October 2023: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed 46 Americans and kidnapped at least 12 Americans in the October 7th massacre.

• December 2023: Iran-backed militias wounded three U.S. service members in an attack on Erbil Air Base in Iraq.

• January 2024: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed three U.S. service members and wounded more than 40 other service members in a drone attack against the Tower 22 military base in Jordan.

• Between October 2023 and November 2024: Iran and its proxies conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East, wounding more than 180 U.S. service members and killing three service members.

• November 2024: An Iranian national and IRGC asset was charged for plotting to assassinate President Trump.

• June 2025: Iran-backed militias attacked at least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

Let's tally the butcher's bill, shall we?

3.5 million dead in Southeast Asia - Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian - incinerated, napalmed, Agent Oranged - because the US couldn't tolerate national sovereignty that didn't bend the knee to Washington.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered in an illegal war of aggression built on lies. No WMDs. Just blood and oil and Halliburton contracts.

Libya - a functioning state turned into an open-air slave market because NATO decided Gaddafi had to go.

Iran 1953 - CIA coup overthrowing Mossadegh, a democratically elected leader, because he dared nationalize oil. Gave them the Shah's torture chambers instead.

And you sit there with your hand-wringing about chump chnage terrorism bill like it's remotely comparable?

Spare me your moral lectures. The US has rivers of blood on its hands.

I don't care about your concerns. I care about the millions dead from American "freedom."

33 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Let's tally the butcher's bill, shall we?

3.5 million dead in Southeast Asia - Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian - incinerated, napalmed, Agent Oranged - because the US couldn't tolerate national sovereignty that didn't bend the knee to Washington.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered in an illegal war of aggression built on lies. No WMDs. Just blood and oil and Halliburton contracts.

Libya - a functioning state turned into an open-air slave market because NATO decided Gaddafi had to go.

Iran 1953 - CIA coup overthrowing Mossadegh, a democratically elected leader, because he dared nationalize oil. Gave them the Shah's torture chambers instead.

And you sit there with your hand-wringing about chump chnage terrorism bill like it's remotely comparable?

Spare me your moral lectures. The US has rivers of blood on its hands.

I don't care about your concerns. I care about the millions dead from American "freedom."

Deal with the issue at hand: Iran.

You haven't got a valid argument, and so in desperation you are throwing anything from the past to justify Iran's state sponsorship of international terror.

There is no crisis in South east Asia and hasn't been in decades, not since Pol Pot was still running his killing fields and slave labour camps, and China was trying to invade Vietnam.

No NATO did not decide that Ghaddafi had to go, the Libyan people decided that. Italy and France intervened because Ghaddafi was sending over thousands of economic migrants in an attempt to destabilize their countries. Ghaddafi was also financing terrorism. Who funded the IRA? Who was responsible for Lougherbie?

Iran has had almost 50 years to transition to a civil peaceful nation. Instead it has adopted Shiite extremism

Always blaming and never accepting the responsibility.

18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Deal with the issue at hand: Iran.

You haven't got a valid argument, and so in desperation you are throwing anything from the past to justify Iran's state sponsorship of international terror.

There is no crisis in South east Asia and hasn't been in decades, not since Pol Pot was still running his killing fields and slave labour camps, and China was trying to invade Vietnam.

No NATO did not decide that Ghaddafi had to go, the Libyan people decided that. Italy and France intervened because Ghaddafi was sending over thousands of economic migrants in an attempt to destabilize their countries. Ghaddafi was also financing terrorism. Who funded the IRA? Who was responsible for Lougherbie?

Iran has had almost 50 years to transition to a civil peaceful nation. Instead it has adopted Shiite extremism

Always blaming and never accepting the responsibility.

Nah let US/Israel and their running lap dogs stew in their own juices in the chaos of their own making. - peace came in SE Asia when the US was defeated - we live in hope.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

I get it, you don't like Israel. You make reference to a long standing US contingency plan on Iran and keep trying to blame Israel. Over the past 47 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.

It was Iran which has tried to assassinate the US President 2X. As per the USA's own Congressional documentation; US law enforcement has disrupted multiple potentially lethal Iranian-backed plots in the United States since 2020. During this time frame, the Iranian government has also unsuccessfully targeted critics of its regime who are based in the USA for lethal attack.

Need a reminder of how many times Iran has caused death and injury to US citizens, and presents a threat to US national security?

• November 1979: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran — taking 66 Americans hostage in a 444-day standoff.

• April 1983: The Islamic Jihad, an Iran-backed terrorist group, carried out a suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 Americans.

• October 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 241 U.S. military personnel — including 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel — in a truck bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut.

• March 1984: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists kidnapped CIA station chief William Buckley on his way to work in Beirut, ultimately killing him the following year.

• September 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 23 innocent people — including two American service members — in a car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut.

• December 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 221 en route to Pakistan, diverting it to Tehran — where they brutally tortured and killed two American officials.

• June 1985: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked TWA Flight 847 on its way from Athens to Rome, torturing a U.S. Navy diver before shooting him point blank in the head and tossing his body onto the Beirut airport tarmac.

• July 1989: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while serving with a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

• April 1995: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists killed eight people — including one American citizen — in a car bomb attack in the Gaza Strip.

• August 1995: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers, and wounding more than 100 others.

• February 1996: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up another bus in Jerusalem, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans.

• March 1996: A suicide bomber linked to the Iran-backed Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist groups killed 20 people — including two Americans — in a suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv shopping center.

• May 1996: Iran-backed terrorists killed an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounded another American citizen in the West Bank.

• June 1996: Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz terrorists killed 19 U.S. Airmen and wounded nearly 500 others in a truck bombing at a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia.

• September 1997: Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombers blew themselves up at a shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens.

• August 1998: Al-Qaeda suicide bombers, facilitated by Iran-backed Hezbollah, simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people — including a dozen American citizens.

• August 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a Jerusalem pizzeria, killing three Americans.

• January 2002: An Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade terrorist killed an American-Israeli dual citizen in the West Bank.

• July 2002: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist killed five Americans in a bombing at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

• June 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber killed 17 people — including an American citizen — on a bus in Jerusalem.

• October 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees terrorists killed three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.

• Between 2003 and 2011: Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq — “roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq.”

• August 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American.

• August 2006: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed American citizen and Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier Michael Levin during the Second Lebanon War — the only American to die in the conflict.

• January 2007: A dozen men affiliated with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force killed five U.S. soldiers and wounded three others in Karbala, Iraq, after disguising themselves as U.S. soldiers and entering the Provincial Joint Coordination Center.

• March 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson disappeared in Iran, likely dying in an Iranian prison.

• July 2014: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed two American citizens serving in the IDF.

• October 2015: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed an American citizen and his wife in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank.

• December 2019: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed an American civilian contractor and wounded several U.S. service members in a rocket attack at K1 Air Base in Kirkuk, Iraq.

• January 2020: 109 U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries in an Iranian ballistic missile attack on the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq.

• September 2020: U.S. intelligence indicated the Iranian regime was considering a plot to assassinate the U.S. Ambassador to South Africa.

• February 2021: An Iran-backed militia fired a rocket at coalition forces in Erbil, Iraq, wounding a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.

• July 2021: Iranian-backed militias wounded two U.S. service members in a series of rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.

• September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack killed an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

• November 2022: An IRGC captain orchestrated the killing of an American citizen in Baghdad.

• March 2023: An Iranian drone attack killed an American contractor and wounded five U.S. service members and another contractor in a strike on a coalition base in Syria.

• October 2023: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed 46 Americans and kidnapped at least 12 Americans in the October 7th massacre.

• December 2023: Iran-backed militias wounded three U.S. service members in an attack on Erbil Air Base in Iraq.

• January 2024: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed three U.S. service members and wounded more than 40 other service members in a drone attack against the Tower 22 military base in Jordan.

• Between October 2023 and November 2024: Iran and its proxies conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East, wounding more than 180 U.S. service members and killing three service members.

• November 2024: An Iranian national and IRGC asset was charged for plotting to assassinate President Trump.

• June 2025: Iran-backed militias attacked at least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

It is a long and impressive list Patong.

However you missed out Ollie North selling

2000 Tomahawk missiles To Iran circa 1979?

The cover was to persuade them to release

the Embassy hostages and it was all done

bahind sleepy Reagan,'s back !

37 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

It is a long and impressive list Patong.

However you missed out Ollie North selling

2000 Tomahawk missiles To Iran circa 1979?

The cover was to persuade them to release

the Embassy hostages and it was all done

bahind sleepy Reagan,'s back !

I'm totally sick of this crap as we head to WW3 on a Trump whim and Netanhayu craziness - going to take a break from this place for a while which will please most of the few that are left I'm missing the sanity of my Redditt echo chambers !

34 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I'm totally sick of this crap as we head to WW3 on a Trump whim and Netanhayu craziness - going to take a break from this place for a while which will please most of the few that are left I'm missing the sanity of my Redditt echo chambers !

I'm with you and may follow. This Trump channel is tiring. Have to scroll though to much of Trump to find a thread, that hasn't been infected, no matter the subject.

Hurry up 2029

3 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

It is a long and impressive list Patong.

However you missed out Ollie North selling

2000 Tomahawk missiles To Iran circa 1979?

The cover was to persuade them to release

the Embassy hostages and it was all done

bahind sleepy Reagan,'s back !

No. There is no record of the USA having sold Tomahawk missiles to Iran. Can you back up your claim or are you relying on the false information planted on Tik Tok?

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Nah let US/Israel and their running lap dogs stew in their own juices in the chaos of their own making. - peace came in SE Asia when the US was defeated - we live in hope.

I am not surprised that you consider the barbaric regime of Pol Pot insignificant, a beacon of peace. More people in Cambodia died during the Pol Pot era than during the Vietnam war. 10X more and more than the Vietnamese who died during the Vietnam war.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

I am not surprised that you consider the barbaric regime of Pol Pot insignificant, a beacon of peace. More people in Cambodia died during the Pol Pot era than during the Vietnam war. 10X more and more than the Vietnamese who died during the Vietnam war.

Very comforting for the Cambodians I'm sure !

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

No. There is no record of the USA having sold Tomahawk missiles to Iran. Can you back up your claim or are you relying on the false information planted on Tik Tok?

The Iran Contra Affair ....Wikipedia .

Where you around at the time ?

10 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

And yet here you are coming to blame Israel.

You still miss my main point. All of these things have been happening over decades because it's clear to those countries that if Israel doesn't like them, or has a real or imagined threat, then they KNOW they are on America's sh!t list too. By extension, these countries also more generally blame the West, which (as Carney pointed out in Davos) has, since WW2, allowed America to call all the shots with barely a whisper of defiance from its 'allies'. The only Western countries that consistently have any balls, as far as I can tell, are Spain, France, Ireland, Nordic countries, and, more recently, Canada.

10 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Need a reminder of how many times Iran has caused death and injury to US citizens, and presents a threat to US national security?

• November 1979: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran — taking 66 Americans hostage in a 444-day standoff.

Need a reminder of how the evil and brutal Shah came to power, and why the religious nutters espoused hatred of the United States?

1953 - Mohammad Mosadegh - democratically elected, populist leader of Iran was removed by a coup, masterminded by the son of a former US President working for the CIA and operatives of the UK. The reason? Mosadegh partially nationalized 40% of the countries oil reserves for domestic use - at the expense of US and British oil companies. Once he was ousted, the US brought in the 'Shah' - who would encircle himself with the country's richest people and effectively suppress violently any democratic street level movements. Rape, torture. With no capable democratic opposition the religious nutters grasped the opportunity of discontent to revolt, and blamed the US for the Shah's abuses (rightly so too). He scurried off to America. Prior to the coup, in those days, women had full freedoms, went to universities, wore western clothes, skirts, etc. The US andBritain are to blame for the state of affairs. If they'd just minded their own business. Now of course war and conflict is a major US industry.

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Need a reminder of how the evil and brutal Shah came to power, and why the religious nutters espoused hatred of the United States?

1953 - Mohammad Mosadegh - democratically elected, populist leader of Iran was removed by a coup, masterminded by the son of a former US President working for the CIA and operatives of the UK. The reason? Mosadegh partially nationalized 40% of the countries oil reserves for domestic use - at the expense of US and British oil companies. Once he was ousted, the US brought in the 'Shah' - who would encircle himself with the country's richest people and effectively suppress violently any democratic street level movements. Rape, torture. With no capable democratic opposition the religious nutters grasped the opportunity of discontent to revolt, and blamed the US for the Shah's abuses (rightly so too). He scurried off to America. Prior to the coup, in those days, women had full freedoms, went to universities, wore western clothes, skirts, etc. The US andBritain are to blame for the state of affairs. If they'd just minded their own business. Now of course war and conflict is a major US industry.

The US government warned the Shah in the early 1970's. He chose not to listen. Whatever his wrongs were, it has been nearly 50 years since his removal. The majority of citizens did not want to replace the Shah with extremist shiite clerics, and were betrayed by the clerics and their western enablers. The original Ayatollah was presented as a champion of human rights in glowing editorials and articles in the European media. The NYT ran an article prasiing the man. Blaming the USA for almost 2 generations of brutality and evil is a feeble excuse.

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

You still miss my main point. All of these things have been happening over decades because it's clear to those countries that if Israel doesn't like them, or has a real or imagined threat, then they KNOW they are on America's sh!t list too. By extension, these countries also more generally blame the West, which (as Carney pointed out in Davos) has, since WW2, allowed America to call all the shots with barely a whisper of defiance from its 'allies'. The only Western countries that consistently have any balls, as far as I can tell, are Spain, France, Ireland, Nordic countries, and, more recently, Canada.

You ignore the long running conflict that Iran a Shiite Persian/Farsi nation has with its Sunni Arab neighbors. Iran has been meddling in the internal affairs of Arabs for decades. The brutal war that Iraq and Iran had is a reflection of the animosity. The Iraqis thought nothing of poisoning Iranians with gas. The Iranians thought nothing of burning the Iraqis alive. The Iranians have had their hand in multiple intra Arab conflicts, none of which are related to the USA or Israel.

The conflict between Sunni and Shiite is centuries old. The Persian culture was once an advanced and civilized culture before the Shiite sect took hold and turned back the clock. Pan-Arabism as espoused by Nasser and supported by the Bath parties of Syria and Iraq did not include Iran.

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Deal with the issue at hand: Iran.

You haven't got a valid argument, and so in desperation you are throwing anything from the past to justify Iran's state sponsorship of international terror.

There is no crisis in South east Asia and hasn't been in decades, not since Pol Pot was still running his killing fields and slave labour camps, and China was trying to invade Vietnam.

No NATO did not decide that Ghaddafi had to go, the Libyan people decided that. Italy and France intervened because Ghaddafi was sending over thousands of economic migrants in an attempt to destabilize their countries. Ghaddafi was also financing terrorism. Who funded the IRA? Who was responsible for Lougherbie?

Iran has had almost 50 years to transition to a civil peaceful nation. Instead it has adopted Shiite extremism

Always blaming and never accepting the responsibility.

Patong, my favorite source of Israel's propaganda. I thought this was what Ghaddafi said:

Muammar Gaddafi warned that his removal from power in Libya would lead to chaos, the rise of extremist groups like al-Qaida, and a surge in migration to Europe.

In private phone calls with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair in February 2011, Gaddafi stated that his ousting would create a power vacuum, allowing jihadist groups to seize control of Libya and potentially launch attacks on Europe. He warned: "They [jihadis] want to control the Mediterranean and then they will attack Europe." He also emphasized that the violence and instability would not be contained within Libya, predicting widespread destruction across the Mediterranean region.

These warnings were later seen as prophetic, as the collapse of his regime following NATO intervention in 2011 led to Libya’s descent into anarchy, the proliferation of armed militias, and its emergence as a major transit hub for African migrants attempting to reach Europe. The resulting migration crisis and humanitarian disaster have been widely cited as direct consequences of the intervention that removed Gaddafi.

BTW, Epstein had no connections to Israel.

5 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

The Iran Contra Affair ....Wikipedia .

Where you around at the time ?

Where does it say that US Tomahawk missiles were sold?

And once you realize that you are wrong, will you retract your claim?

5 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Very comforting for the Cambodians I'm sure !

What's your point? That you are dismissive of Pol Pots mass murder of millions of Cambodians all because he was not the USA?