2 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

How does the Law of Return align with socialism?

Did you bother to read the quote from Yagoda I was replying to?

Here it is again for your delectation:

5 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Why would someone support socialism? It's an ideology that has failed.

If you’re against 'socialist' intervention, then you must be against the bank bailouts and Quantitative Easing (QE) that saved the market. We’ve reached a stage of late-stage capitalism where a rentier parasite class extracts maximum wealth while the masses are impoverished.

Ironically, the wealthy have used 'socialist' leversstate-funded liquidity and QE to artificially inflate the value of their 401(k)s and pensions. It’s the ultimate hypocrisy: they privatize the gains during the boom but socialize the losses when the bubble bursts. It isn't 'free market' success; it’s a state-sponsored wealth transfer.

Still no updates on the 3 Thai crew members as the NBC news agency reports Iranian death tolls.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/live-blog/live-updates-iran-war-israel-killed-basij-iraq-embassy-trump-hormuz-rcna263845

And the terror goes on as the terror regime strikes businesses in other countries.

The GOAT POTUS says their taken a pounding as all their Leaders are dead.

The expert on CCP relations says don't go to visit XI, they are helping the other side.

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1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If you’re against 'socialist' intervention, then you must be against the bank bailouts and Quantitative Easing (QE) that saved the market. We’ve reached a stage of late-stage capitalism where a rentier parasite class extracts maximum wealth while the masses are impoverished.

Ironically, the wealthy have used 'socialist' leversstate-funded liquidity and QE to artificially inflate the value of their 401(k)s and pensions. It’s the ultimate hypocrisy: they privatize the gains during the boom but socialize the losses when the bubble bursts. It isn't 'free market' success; it’s a state-sponsored wealth transfer.

A bailout is not socialism; you should understand what it means. I can't believe how many people misuse terms they don't understand.

4 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

A bailout is not socialism; you should understand what it means. I can't believe how many people misuse terms they don't understand.

Funny how the most aggressive 'users' here all have their visitor blocks disabled. I'm not playing into the sockpuppet theater anymore if you hide your activity, you don't get a reply. Transparency or nothing. Sorry.

2 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

A bailout is not socialism; you should understand what it means. I can't believe how many people misuse terms they don't understand.

Years ago factions of the communist party left the soviet bloc nations many formed grassroots groups in Europe and other ME countries. what your seeing is the result of Anarchist/Socialist/Communist/Marxist influences still resonating influence.

Google ai overview:

"The transition and dissolution of the Soviet bloc (1989–1991) led many former state-aligned communist party members, activists, and intellectuals to reorganize into new, diverse grassroots movements in Europe and the Middle East, often adopting decentralized anarcho-socialist or reformed leftist ideologies rather than orthodox Marxism-Leninism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Funny how the most aggressive 'users' here all have their visitor blocks disabled. I'm not playing into the sockpuppet theater anymore if you hide your activity, you don't get a reply. Transparency or nothing. Sorry.

I understand that you didn't enjoy being schooled by me, so you are expressing your anger.

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Years ago factions of the communist party left the soviet bloc nations many formed grassroots groups in Europe and other ME countries. what your seeing is the result of Anarchist/Socialist/Communist/Marxist influences still resonating influence.

Google ai overview:

"The transition and dissolution of the Soviet bloc (1989–1991) led many former state-aligned communist party members, activists, and intellectuals to reorganize into new, diverse grassroots movements in Europe and the Middle East, often adopting decentralized anarcho-socialist or reformed leftist ideologies rather than orthodox Marxism-Leninism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc

And the Campists - don't forget them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism

23 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You may wish to check the Isareli Right of Return Law - so Marx if he found a time machine could theoretically move to Tel Aviv and live on stolen Palestinian land. He wouldn't want to though.Update his parents became Lutheran so he couldn't - the Nazis would have gassed him though. We can be certain of that.

Jewish ancestry amendment

The Law of Return was amended in 1970 to extend the right of return to some non-Jews.^[8][9] Amendment number 2, 4a, states:

The law since 1970 applies to the following groups:

• Those born Jews according to the Orthodox interpretation; having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother.

• Those with Jewish ancestry – having a Jewish father or grandfather.

• Converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).

Jews who have converted to another religion are not eligible to immigrate under the Law of Return, even though they are still Jews according to halakha.

So you agree that converts are Jews? That one doesnt have to be born a Jew to be a Jew?

31 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So now you are calling Israel a National Socialist state? There are lots of folks out there who would agree with you.

"The Law of Return (Hebrew: חוק השבות, romanized: ḥok ha-shvūt) is an Israeli law, passed on 5 July 1950, which gives Jews, people with one or more Jewish grandparent, and their spouses the right to relocate to Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship.[1] Section 1 of the Law of Return declares that "every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh [immigrant]". In the Law of Return, the State of Israel gave effect to the Zionist movement's aim for the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. In 1970, the right of entry and settlement was extended to people with at least one Jewish grandparent and a person who is married to a Jew, whether or not they are considered Jewish under Orthodox interpretations of Jewish law.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

So you are saying that non Jews cant be Jews? Conversely, one born a Jew cant be something else?

25 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Why would someone support socialism? It's an ideology that has failed.

Really? My socialist government in Australia provided me with a year's targeted inhibitor medication for AUD 100. In America, that same medication would have cost me USD 70,000.

If that's failure, bring it on.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So you are saying that non Jews cant be Jews? Conversely, one born a Jew cant be something else?

I'm saying that Israel says that they're Jews based solely on ancestry. Nothing to do with belief.

Just now, Lacessit said:

Really? My socialist government in Australia provided me with a year's targeted inhibitor medication for AUD 100. In America, that same medication would have cost me USD 70,000.

If that's failure, bring it on.

Yes and I and my wife get free medications and free London travel and of cousre the 'free' NHS - along with index linked state pensions. More socialism - thanks dad in heaven who fought in WW2 and voted along with millions of his comrades to kick Churchill out.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Really? My socialist government in Australia provided me with a year's targeted inhibitor medication for AUD 100. In America, that same medication would have cost me USD 70,000.

If that's failure, bring it on.

Oh my, we have another poster who has not taken the time to understand that socialism is an economic system without private ownership of businesses.

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So you agree that converts are Jews? That one doesnt have to be born a Jew to be a Jew?

So if a Palestinian converts to Judaism and rock up with land deeds from the Mandate can they get their homes back from some Brooklyn born fanatic that thinks they are a chosen person and acts like a thug on holiday.

4 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Oh dear bener mind. Wher's his best mate Bibi who got him into this mess ?

2 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Oh my, we have another poster who has not taken the time to understand that socialism is an economic system without private ownership of businesses.

Classic attack the poster instead of the argument.

Come on, tell us what a magnificent health system the free enterprise economy of America provides for its citizens.

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

Still no updates on the 3 Thai crew members as the NBC news agency reports Iranian death tolls.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/live-blog/live-updates-iran-war-israel-killed-basij-iraq-embassy-trump-hormuz-rcna263845

And the terror goes on as the terror regime strikes businesses in other countries.

The GOAT POTUS says their taken a pounding as all their Leaders are dead.

The expert on CCP relations says don't go to visit XI, they are helping the other side.

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Overnight strike kills top Iranian official who goaded US and Israel in live street interview

Two democracy type governments who are experienced experts in fighting state sponsored terror, updates the official tally.

"The 67-year-old was one of 10 Islamic Republic officials with a $10 million bounty placed on his head Friday by the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program".

https://nypost.com/2026/03/17/world-news/israel-says-top-iranian-security-official-killed-in-overnight-strike/

1 minute ago, Effective altruism said:

Oh my, we have another poster who has not taken the time to understand that socialism is an economic system without private ownership of businesses.

Actually, maybe you should take the time to look at the different kinds of socialism. Here's one of them:

Social democracy is a broad, centre-left^[1] to left-wing^[2] social, economic, and political ideology within the wider socialist movement^[3] that supports political and economic democracy^[4] and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality. In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of a predominantly capitalist,^[5] yet robust welfare state, with policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.^[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Classic attack the poster instead of the argument.

Come on, tell us what a magnificent health system the free enterprise economy of America provides for its citizens.

You are the one making the attack. I am discussing the definition of socialism. Which you do not want to understand.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

Actually, maybe you should take the time to look at the different kinds of socialism. Here's one of them:

Social democracy is a broad, centre-left^[1] to left-wing^[2] social, economic, and political ideology within the wider socialist movement^[3] that supports political and economic democracy^[4] and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality. In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of a predominantly capitalist,^[5] yet robust welfare state, with policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.^[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Congratulations. I don't have the time or patience to explain such things to people with blinkers.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Actually, maybe you should take the time to look at the different kinds of socialism. Here's one of them:

Social democracy is a broad, centre-left^[1] to left-wing^[2] social, economic, and political ideology within the wider socialist movement^[3] that supports political and economic democracy^[4] and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality. In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of a predominantly capitalist,^[5] yet robust welfare state, with policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.^[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

There is only one definition of socialism. It's where there is no private ownership, and the government owns all the businesses.

Just now, Lacessit said:

Congratulations. I don't have the time or patience to explain such things to people with blinkers.

You have not taken the time to learn about socialism. Your lack of knowledge on this topic is evident here.

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Overnight strike kills top Iranian official who goaded US and Israel in live street interview

Two democracy type governments who are experienced experts in fighting state sponsored terror, updates the official tally.

"The 67-year-old was one of 10 Islamic Republic officials with a $10 million bounty placed on his head Friday by the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program".

https://nypost.com/2026/03/17/world-news/israel-says-top-iranian-security-official-killed-in-overnight-strike/

Looks like reward money might of helped in the conflict against terror.
"The Rewards for Justice (RFJ) mission is to generate useful information that protects Americans and furthers U.S. national security. The program offers rewards for information on terrorism, foreign-linked interference in U.S. elections, foreign-directed malicious cyber activities against the United States, and other actors".

https://rewardsforjustice.net/

1 minute ago, Effective altruism said:

There is only one definition of socialism. It's where there is no private ownership, and the government owns all the businesses.

I didn't realize that you had the copyright or some other form of absolute authority on what socialism means. Now that we have been informed of your ukase, I'm sure any and all scholars will accept your definition as dogma.

2 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

You are the one making the attack. I am discussing the definition of socialism. Which you do not want to understand.

Just now, Effective altruism said:

You have not taken the time to learn about socialism. Your lack of knowledge on this topic is evident here.

Stop wasting my time with your narrow-mindedness. Where did you get the idea you are an altruist?

21 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

So if a Palestinian converts to Judaism and rock up with land deeds from the Mandate can they get their homes back from some Brooklyn born fanatic that thinks they are a chosen person and acts like a thug on holiday.

Head to Chabad

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Stop wasting my time with your narrow-mindedness. Where did you get the idea you are an altruist?

You seem to be upset that I took the time to prove you wrong.

28 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I'm saying that Israel says that they're Jews based solely on ancestry. Nothing to do with belief.

Really? Converts not allowed?