3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Here is a live marine tracker from the Strait. Have a look for yourself. There are 200 sitting ducks here - an Iranian missile/drone/kamikaze boat just needs to hit one once in a while and the detreecne stays in place. Rinse and repeat

https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/HORMUZ-STRAIT/ship-traffic-tracker?full_screen=yes&map=vf

This is the Trump Israel Tax that we are all paying

Summary Table: Estimated Daily Global Cost

Category	Estimated Daily Impact (USD)
Increased Energy Costs	$600M – $800M
Lost Export Revenue (Gulf States)	$1.2B – $1.5B
Increased Shipping & Insurance	$150M – $200M
Supply Chain/Manufacturing Delays	Hard to quantify (Estimated $500M+)
TOTAL ESTIMATED COST	~$2.5 Billion to $3 Billion per day

Sorry for the Gemini "slop" but I think it's worth digging. Let's hypothecate these extra costs as a valid security payment to Israel then allocating these per Israeli households here's the math we are giving $1000 per day to each Israeli household. Fagin would have been proud.

To calculate this hypothetical "wealth transfer," we have to look at the total global cost of the current blockade and distribute it as if that entire "cost" were a security dividend being "invested" into each Israeli household.

If we assume the world is paying this price to ensure Israel’s long-term security, here is how the math breaks down as of March 16, 2026:

1. The Total Global Cost (The "Bill")

Based on current market data, the global economy is losing roughly $2.8 billion per day due to the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. This includes:

• Energy Price Spike: $750M (Difference between $73 and $100+ oil).

• Shipping/Logistics: $250M (Insurance, fuel, and Cape of Good Hope rerouting).

• Lost Trade/GDP: $1.8B (Deferred revenue for Gulf states and manufacturing slowdowns).

Over the 17 days this blockade has been active (since Feb 28), the total global "payment" has reached approximately $47.6 billion.

2. The Israeli Household Calculation

As of early 2026, Israel’s population is approximately 10.18 million. With an average household size of roughly 3.7 people, there are approximately 2.75 million households in Israel.

3. The Wealth Transfer

If we treat that global economic loss as a "security premium" paid on behalf of Israel, the per-household "contribution" from the rest of the world looks like this:

Timeline	Total Global Cost	Wealth Transfer Per Israeli Household
Daily	$2.8 Billion	$1,018
To Date (17 Days)	$47.6 Billion	$17,309
If it lasts 3 Months	$252 Billion	$91,636

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The Implications

If your hypothesis is that this is a "cost worth paying," the implications are staggering:

• The "Invisible Subsidization": Each Israeli household is effectively receiving over $1,000 per day in global economic "protection services."

• Global Resentment Risk: This represents a massive transfer of utility. For example, the daily $1,000+ per Israeli household is more than the annual income of a household in several developing nations currently suffering from the resulting fertilizer and fuel shortages.

• Geopolitical Leverage: If the world views this as a bill they are paying for Israel's security, the diplomatic "credit" being spent is being exhausted at an unprecedented rate.

Note on the math: This calculation uses the total global loss. It doesn't mean $1,000 is being deposited into Israeli bank accounts; rather, it's the amount of global wealth being destroyed or redirected daily to maintain the current tactical reality.

And digging down into Israel's costs since October 7th they are simply staggering and unprecedented and remember a bigly proportion are large Haredi familes that don't serve in the IDF rock back and forth with a key box on their head leaving the costs for those still working off the scale. Part of the Hamas calculation (and others) was if they continue to illegally own what they rightly own and was stolen from them then they will raise the costs to such a level that they destroy the country long term from within. The implicit logic if we cam't have it no one can have it. The Samson option.

To account for the "working household" burden, we must narrow the denominator. In Israel’s current demographic and economic landscape (March 2026), the fiscal burden is not distributed evenly.

As per your request, we will assume the ~1.45 million Haredi citizens (roughly 210,000–250,000 households due to larger family sizes) are excluded from the "contributing" base. We also account for the fact that roughly 20% of the remaining population (largely in the Arab sector and low-income secular sectors) falls below the tax-paying threshold or relies heavily on subsidies.

This leaves us with a "core working base" of approximately 2.1 million households (down from the 2.75 million total) that effectively foot the bill for the nation's taxes and the "war effort."

1. The Domestic Cost (The Daily "Taxpayer Bill")

If we take the active war cost and the baseline defense budget and divide it only by these 2.1 million "working" households:

• Baseline Defense Cost: ~$45 per day (was $34).

• Active War Cost ($1B/day): $476 per day (was $363).

• Combined Daily Domestic Burden: $521 USD (approx. 1,690 NIS) per working household.

The Reality Check: The average working (non-Haredi) household in Israel earns roughly 24,500 NIS (~$7,500 USD) per month.

• At $521/day, the monthly cost of the war per working family is $15,630.

• This means the cost of the war is currently 200% of the average working family's total income. The difference is being covered by massive national debt and international military aid.

2. The Global "Wealth Transfer" (The Hypothetical Investment)

Using your hypothesis that the world’s economic pain is a price paid for Israel’s security, we recalculate the $2.8 billion daily global loss across only the working Israeli households:

Timeline	Total Global Cost	Wealth Transfer Per Working Household
Daily	$2.8 Billion	$1,333
To Date (17 Days)	$47.6 Billion	$22,661
If it lasts 3 Months	$252 Billion	$120,000

3. Total "Security Value" Per Working Household

If you are a working Israeli citizen today, the "value" being spent daily to maintain your long-term security (combining what you pay, what your government borrows in your name, and what the world loses) is:

• Your Household’s Share: $1,854 per day ($1,333 global + $521 domestic).

The Strategic Implication

By shifting the math to "working households," the disparity becomes even more stark:

1. The Domestic Tension: The "Working Israeli" is carrying a per-capita defense burden that is nearly 14 times higher than the average US citizen and 20 times higher than the average European.

2. The Haredi Dividend: Under your assumption, each Haredi household is effectively receiving a "security subsidy" (paid for by working neighbors and the global economy) of over $1,800 per day in protected status without contributing to the fiscal or military pool.

3. Sustainability: At a cost of $1.8M per working household per 1,000 days (approx. 3 years), this model suggests that unless the conflict ends or the demographic participation changes, the "working household" faces a mathematical path to insolvency regardless of the military outcome.

Would you like me to calculate the "breakeven point"—how many years of peace would be required to "pay back" the global economic loss from just this one month of blockade?

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The US doesn't need help so much that now Trump is NATO countries with dire consequences if they don't send warships to patrol the Straits of Hormuz. And he's threatening to call off his summit meeting with China, too, if they don't contribute to the effort

Trump warns Nato faces 'very bad' future if allies do not help secure Strait of Hormuz

US President Donald Trump says it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the Strait of Hormuz - a critical waterway for global oil shipping

In an interview with the Financial Times, Trump says he expects China to help unblock the strait and could delay a summit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping if it doesn't

Aboard Air Force One, Trump also says he is speaking to "about seven" countries about "policing" the strait, adding that he "will remember" if they do not help

BBC News

Trump warns Nato faces 'very bad' future if allies do not...

The US president says he is speaking to several countries about "policing" the strait, adding he "will remember" if they do not help.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2lr40g17kt

For other NATO countries, drawing feet seems to be the adequate response. 😀

...during a Kentucky rally ha said “We’ve won.”

“You know, you never like to say too early you won. We won,” he said. “We won the, in the first hour, it was over.”

...

“Many Countries, especially those who are affected by Iran’s attempted closure of the Hormuz Strait, will be sending War Ships, in conjunction with the United States of America, to keep the Strait open and safe,” Trump wrote on Saturday, later adding, “this should have always been a team effort.”

He never was a team-player. He repeatedly insulted all the former Allies. And now he sobs for a team that doesent exist.

HE (USA) started a war and now demands that NATO should join and clean up his mess.

On 3/8/2026 at 11:51 AM, riclag said:

We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

So true Mr . President ! If and when the tide turned and the UK ally needed help , America would be the first to step up! Goes to show what a weak appeasing PM , he is., as he cowers in the face of diversity.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-tells-starmer-aircraft-carriers-no-longer-needed-mideast-accuses-him-joining-war-us-already-won.amp

its a story about a foxnews report

In light of your leader's recent plea for the allies to send their ships, you must feel more of a totally misguided Fox-watching buffoon than usual.

On 3/14/2026 at 2:06 PM, riclag said:

I wasn't born in 1939. Neville Chamberlain was though!

If you're blaming someone for 1939 timing or policy, look at your own British leader back then, not me/us.

I wasn't born in 1939. Neville Chamberlain was though!

He was born in 1869. Nice guess.

9 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I wasn't born in 1939. Neville Chamberlain was though!

He was born in 1869. Nice guess.

What did you expect from a buffoon?

trump said:- "We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

Fair enough and as trump has stated that the US has already won this war, then there is no need for others to join in and help. Case closed!!

32 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I wasn't born in 1939. Neville Chamberlain was though!

He was born in 1869. Nice guess.

I think to be fair to him he was implying that he wasn't alive then but Chamberlain was which is factually true. MAGA "Joe Blows" are't the brightest sparks - hence they elected Trump. Trump is getting well narked - keep up the good work let's drive him mad.

Whar fresh hell is this ?

Not coming back much now is there from our own pair of MAGA Fans.

On 3/8/2026 at 6:51 PM, riclag said:

We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

So true Mr . President ! If and when the tide turned and the UK ally needed help , America would be the first to step up! Goes to show what a weak appeasing PM , he is., as he cowers in the face of diversity.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-tells-starmer-aircraft-carriers-no-longer-needed-mideast-accuses-him-joining-war-us-already-won.amp

its a story about a foxnews report

So would you care to amend this post, now that Trump has done a complete and total 180 on it?

Ouch - the idiocy on display on Air Force One is utterly breathtaking.

38 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

So would you care to amend this post, now that Trump has done a complete and total 180 on it?

Nah, paraphrasing Trump's own words shows Iran is done as a threat,no 180 needed, just reality after they've been taken apart , the GOAT Trump stated that the U.S.A has essentially defeated Iran militarily, destroying their air force, navy, air defenses, and much of their missile and drone capabilities, leaving them with very little firepower to disrupt shipping.

With Iran crippled and eager to negotiate a deal (starting with no nuclear weapons), Trump indicated the Strait of H can be secured through international efforts once the situation stabilizes, as their capacity to undermine peace or fire on ships is now minimal.

In addition,what a master class of turning the negative appeasing leftist prior policies on the strait and forcing them to help in securing safe passage.

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2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Nah, paraphrasing Trump's own words shows Iran is done as a threat,no 180 needed, just reality after they've been taken apart , the GOAT Trump stated that the U.S.A has essentially defeated Iran militarily, destroying their air force, navy, air defenses, and much of their missile and drone capabilities, leaving them with very little firepower to disrupt shipping.

With Iran crippled and eager to negotiate a deal (starting with no nuclear weapons), Trump indicated the Strait of H can be secured through international efforts once the situation stabilizes, as their capacity to undermine peace or fire on ships is now minimal.

In addition,what a master class of turning the negative appeasing leftist prior policies on the strait and forcing them to help in securing safe passage.

Err we are not helping let Trump has his FAFO moment, Inshallah.

lol Sir Mr President is the Earth flat, Trump yes i can assure you it is flat take it from me. OK thanks Mr President youv'e assured us and we believe it. What absolute Boffoonery you and your master spew Riclag straight out of Chemical Ali's mouth.

On 3/8/2026 at 9:11 PM, khaosokman said:

He sat on his arse doing nothing. His country is near stuffed with 11 year record youth unemployment. The UK economy grew by 1.3% in 2025, with Q4 2025 growth slowing to 0.1%. Despite 2024 seeing a 1.1% recovery, growth remains sluggish, with 2026 projections lowered to 0.9%.

Yes but he can blame the fools who dragged us into

Brexit for that .

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

trump said:- "We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

Fair enough and as trump has stated that the US has already won this war, then there is no need for others to join in and help. Case closed!!

Furthermore trump.......you started this war without really thinking (trump thinking, not a chance) through the possible consequences of it, so you own it, you deal with it.

Usual arrogance from Brit or US governance, despite the fact that they have lost face. Nothing new.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Not coming back much now is there from our own pair of MAGA Fans.

I like to think they're offline at the moment, airborne and fully kitted up with parachutes and a recent paper map of the Strait of Hormuz

I swear you can't make this up. Trump has authorized the use of migrant workers as they don't have enough to work on the farms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/us/politics/farm-labor-trump-migrant-workers-h2a.html

Every policy is now failing.

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

BUT did Trump 🤡 say he did not need anybody's help ,then when he realised

he might have to put troops on the ground ....he asked for help. because he knows

the amount of troops it would take ,many body bags returning to USA would finish

him.

regards worgeordie

If they put boots on the ground, it wont be like July, 1916

19 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

lol Sir Mr President is the Earth flat, Trump yes i can assure you it is flat take it from me. OK thanks Mr President youv'e assured us and we believe it. What absolute Boffoonery you and your master spew Riclag straight out of Chemical Ali's mouth.

You made it personnel and its insulting .

56 minutes ago, riclag said:

Nah, paraphrasing Trump's own words shows Iran is done as a threat,no 180 needed, just reality after they've been taken apart , the GOAT Trump stated that the U.S.A has essentially defeated Iran militarily, destroying their air force, navy, air defenses, and much of their missile and drone capabilities, leaving them with very little firepower to disrupt shipping.

With Iran crippled and eager to negotiate a deal (starting with no nuclear weapons), Trump indicated the Strait of H can be secured through international efforts once the situation stabilizes, as their capacity to undermine peace or fire on ships is now minimal.

In addition,what a master class of turning the negative appeasing leftist prior policies on the strait and forcing them to help in securing safe passage.

56 minutes ago, riclag said:

In addition,what a master class of turning the negative appeasing leftist prior policies on the strait and forcing them to help in securing safe passage.

This proves Trump's master class reversal, after we (US/Israel) crippled Iran militarily (as he detailed March 15), the blockade lingers , but the big importers won't commit forces. We get only 1 to 2 % of our oil from the strait of H according to the POTUS, so why USA alone? Forcing the heavy users (China 38 thru 45%, Europe, Asia) to help or watch prices hit $100+,genius burden sharing. No more leftist style appeasement .

"France has said it will not send naval vessels to the Strait of Hormuz after US President Donald Trump called on countries reliant on oil from the Gulf to help secure the shipping lane that has been blocked since the start of the US and Israeli attacks on Iran".

https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20260316-france-holds-back-warships-as-trump-urges-allies-to-secure-strait-of-hormuz

Here the vile person is refusing to answer questions about dead American service members. This must make you MAGA guys so SO proud!

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

If they put boots on the ground, it wont be like July, 1916

If he wants to change the Government (one of the few reasons given for the war) he will have to put boots on the ground ,and they will be fighting a

guerilla war ,snipers ,roadside bombs, hit and run, which was exactly

what happened in Vietnam ,and Afghanistan ,both which were unpopular

wars and which the USA never won and just left. and with the attention

span Trump 🤡 has , is exactly what he will do , much prefers to play

golf ,while others die....

regards worgeordie

6 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

If he wants to change the Government (one of the few reasons given for the war) he will have to put boots on the ground ,and they will be fighting a

guerilla war ,snipers ,roadside bombs, hit and run, which was exactly

what happened in Vietnam ,and Afghanistan ,both which were unpopular

wars and which the USA never won and just left. and with the attention

span Trump 🤡 has , is exactly what he will do , much prefers to play

golf ,while others die....

regards worgeordie

If there are boots on the ground then he will have to get even more help from Ukraine. If I were Zelenskyy I'd squeeze him until he squealed like a pig.

If the Yanks go in with Boot's on the ground They will still be there 5 yrs later.

1 hour ago, Sigmund said:

Usual arrogance from Brit or US governance, despite the fact that they have lost face. Nothing new.

Our Arrogance Sigmund is we will not Kow Tow to Trump anymore sending our troops into a war we are not involved in or wish to be involved in.

On 3/8/2026 at 6:51 PM, riclag said:

We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

So true Mr . President ! If and when the tide turned and the UK ally needed help , America would be the first to step up! Goes to show what a weak appeasing PM , he is., as he cowers in the face of diversity.

Was it the Tariffs, Greenland or constantly trying to help ex Stassi/KGB thug Vlad Putin that pissed off former US Allies?!