18 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

However, enough irrational hatred of Jews remains to make a homeland for the world's Jews an absolute necessity.

I think making a homeland for Jews is a good thing. But how do you do that?

By taking away someone else’s homeland and they saying it belongs to you?

Isn’t that stealing?

Hate speech reported and removed.

NO MORE of that please @Packer

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

But Jews seem to be the only group of people who insist on having a word which describes the hate towards them exclusively and even defend it tooth and nail: anti-semitism.

English abounds with words that denote hatred towards various groups. How about Islamophobia, which dates back more than 100 years? Or homophobia? Transphobia? And there's Anglophobia (hatred of England and the English) and Francophobia (hatred of France and the French), as well as numerous others about nationalities. Anti-Americanism goes back to 1828.

There are also dozens of words covering fear or hatred of non-national groups of people, such a coulrophobia (clowns), gerontophobia (elderly people) and androphobia (men). You can find of a list of ethnic and national "phobias" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias.

Antisemitism may be the world's oldest hatred, but it is definitely not unique.

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

I can only guess that is because you do not really want it to end. You want to keep your members by birth only religion and use that expression as a shield to label anyone who opposes you as deeply evil and therefore his criticism can only be based on evil lies, even if it is true.

You are mistaken. As much as any people on earth, Israelis and all other Jews want wars to end. Constant war for 78 years has been enough.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think making a homeland for Jews is a good thing. But how do you do that?

By taking away someone else’s homeland and they saying it belongs to you?

Isn’t that stealing?

Who owned what land in Mandatory Palestine is a complicated issue that leaves historians deeply divided. Most of the land that became Israel had been owned by the Ottoman Empire or absentee landlords in Istanbul, Cairo and Damascus. It had not been owned by the Palestinian peasant farmers who lived and worked there. Also, many of the Arabs who lived in Mandatory Palestine were recent immigrants; they had not lived there for centuries.

Given those factors, from whom did Israelis steal the land? The Ottoman Empire no longer existed and the absentee landlords didn't have their homeland taken away.

5 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Who owned what land in Mandatory Palestine is a complicated issue that leaves historians deeply divided. Most of the land that became Israel had been owned by the Ottoman Empire or absentee landlords in Istanbul, Cairo and Damascus. It had not been owned by the Palestinian peasant farmers who lived and worked there. Also, many of the Arabs who lived in Mandatory Palestine were recent immigrants; they had not lived there for centuries.

Given those factors, from whom did Israelis steal the land? The Ottoman Empire no longer existed and the absentee landlords didn't have their homeland taken away.

Israel demonizers and fellow travelers don't do complicated.

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think making a homeland for Jews is a good thing. But how do you do that?

By taking away someone else’s homeland and they saying it belongs to you?

Isn’t that stealing?

Hilarious.

I used to often find arrowheads where I grew up in the United States.

12 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

leaves historians deeply divided.

Well, that's the thing. The people that owned those plots of land thousands of years ago are long dead, and they (as they are long dead) or their current ancestors hundreds of generations later have no right to it today. I cannot come to your house and say that a relative of mine owned this plot of land 3,000 years ago so it's mine, pack your bags and your family and get off it now and go live in a camp. That would be ridiculous, right? 🙂

Maybe me being a non native speaker with only a few years of learning English at school for only 3 hours a week some 45 years ago just had a poor choice of words or maybe what I wrote infuriated you so much, that you missed the details and therefore misunderstood. I had no such intensions. So for clarification:

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Assuming all that is true, isn´t it even more irrational to go on with their old ways and keep being targetted?

Maintaining their religion and religious identity is of supreme importance to some Jews. It's a matter of personal conscience, In Western democracies, Jews should be allowed to believe and practice their religion as they see fit, as long as they don't break secular laws. It's the intolerant types who target Jews who need to change, not the Jews.

Wouldn´t it be better for everybody on this planet if Jews gave up their exclusive "ancestry only" Religion and transform it into something more modern and open minded and "everybody welcome" thing like Christianity or Islam?

I can't see how anyone would benefit from Jews giving up their religion, anymore than if the Amish, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Hindus or Buddhists gave up theirs. The practice of Judaism as a religion doesn't harm anyone.

I did not demand anyone to give up their religion, I just suggested Jews give up their "members only" rule. It is more or less quite easy to convert to all the religions you named, but converting to Judaism is almost impossible, takes long time while you never know if you are accepted in the end.

A girl I once knew was born to a Christian mother and a Jewish father; from Childhood on she loved to spend time with the Jewish community as she emotionally, spiritually and intellectually saw herself as a Jew.

Hoping to be a part of the Jewish community she went through that conversion process in which, if I remember it correctly, she had to study all aspects of Jewish life not only religion and fully dedicate herself to Jewry which he diligently did.

After a few years she finally stood in front of some kind of committee, Rabbis I guess, to undergo some kind of test and at the end she was rejected.

She was devastated.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Especially after the Third Reich the world has become a bit allergic to people who think of themselves and their ethnicity of being something better compared to the rest of the world. Being chosen by nature to be the "Herrenrasse" or being chosen by my own God over other people goes pretty much in the same direction.

I've answered you before about equating "the chosen people" with "Herrenrasse." I'll repeat that answer below.

On 10/15/2025 at 6:04 PM, Evil Penevil said:

Be careful, @Somjot,  you are getting close to classic anti-Jewish tropes.   Herrenrasse  translates more accurately as "master race, "   which has nothing to do with the Jewish concept of a chosen people.  Jews consider themselves to be "chosen people" because they believe God chose them for a special covenant, It is not based on racial or ethnic superiority.  

I don't speak German, but according Internet sources, the correct translation of "the chosen people" when referring to Jews is "das auserwähltes Volk."

I wasn´t equating, I was just mentioning that the world might be a bit allergic to people who see themselves above others, especially after the Third Reich with the Nazis, who saw their race somehow favored by nature and superior to others which is why they called themselves the Herrenrasse, the race of the lords.

Jews believe that God created all humanity but somehow considered only them to be worthy enough to agree on a formal contract with or as you call it, the covenant.

And that is in my opinion a bit problematic as it opens doors to "legal" abominations were perpetrators won´t second-guess or even suffer from a bad conscious as a higher power told them or enabled them to act like that and will take full responsibility for that.

"I am from the best race of entire humanity. It is my duty to wipe out minor races same as nature´s law about the survival of the fittest has done since the beginning of time."

"I am chosen by God. My God told my ancestors to kill all Amalekites including women, children and livestock. That´s why every man, woman and child in Gaza is my enemy and there is no sin in killing them. There are no innocents in Gaza."

The last sentence can be heard quite often in interviews with Israelis.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I mean, after 78 years of that "absolute necessity", as you call Israel, I can´t see any decrease of anti-Semitism, rather an increase.

If antisemitism is increasing (and it is), that underscores the "absolute necessity"of a Jewish homeland and Jewish majority state. Jews cannot rely on non-Jews to protect them when push comes to shove. They have to do it themselves.

That is debatable as there are other ways to reduce or even eliminate anti-semitism, one of them being what I suggested, giving up this elite club behavior.

Don´t you see the moral double standard in what you wrote.

Jews insist on a Jewish homeland as they can only rely on themselves to protect them from murder, rape, displacement and dispossession and then create and expand that homeland by murder, rape, displacement and dispossession of the native population.

And please don´t tell me Jews are the only true native people to Palestine.

Your European appearance and genetics, you other than the Palestinians being allergic to the native olive tree pollen and many other facts tell another story and legally it´s simply "Move your feet, lose your seat".

No one can come back after Thousands of years and claim land ownership.

If so, US Americans would be in big trouble now.

7 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Maybe me being a non native speaker with only a few years of learning English at school for only 3 hours a week some 45 years ago just had a poor choice of words or maybe what I wrote infuriated you so much, that you missed the details and therefore misunderstood. I had no such intensions. So for clarification:

I did not demand anyone to give up their religion, I just suggested Jews give up their "members only" rule. It is more or less quite easy to convert to all the religions you named, but converting to Judaism is almost impossible, takes long time while you never know if you are accepted in the end.

A girl I once knew was born to a Christian mother and a Jewish father; from Childhood on she loved to spend time with the Jewish community as she emotionally, spiritually and intellectually saw herself as a Jew.

Hoping to be a part of the Jewish community she went through that conversion process in which, if I remember it correctly, she had to study all aspects of Jewish life not only religion and fully dedicate herself to Jewry which he diligently did.

After a few years she finally stood in front of some kind of committee, Rabbis I guess, to undergo some kind of test and at the end she was rejected.

She was devastated.

I wasn´t equating, I was just mentioning that the world might be a bit allergic to people who see themselves above others, especially after the Third Reich with the Nazis, who saw their race somehow favored by nature and superior to others which is why they called themselves the Herrenrasse, the race of the lords.

Jews believe that God created all humanity but somehow considered only them to be worthy enough to agree on a formal contract with or as you call it, the covenant.

And that is in my opinion a bit problematic as it opens doors to "legal" abominations were perpetrators won´t second-guess or even suffer from a bad conscious as a higher power told them or enabled them to act like that and will take full responsibility for that.

"I am from the best race of entire humanity. It is my duty to wipe out minor races same as nature´s law about the survival of the fittest has done since the beginning of time."

"I am chosen by God. My God told my ancestors to kill all Amalekites including women, children and livestock. That´s why every man, woman and child in Gaza is my enemy and there is no sin in killing them. There are no innocents in Gaza."

The last sentence can be heard quite often in interviews with Israelis.

That is debatable as there are other ways to reduce or even eliminate anti-semitism, one of them being what I suggested, giving up this elite club behavior.

Don´t you see the moral double standard in what you wrote.

Jews insist on a Jewish homeland as they can only rely on themselves to protect them from murder, rape, displacement and dispossession and then create and expand that homeland by murder, rape, displacement and dispossession of the native population.

And please don´t tell me Jews are the only true native people to Palestine.

Your European appearance and genetics, you other than the Palestinians being allergic to the native olive tree pollen and many other facts tell another story and legally it´s simply "Move your feet, lose your seat".

No one can come back after Thousands of years and claim land ownership.

If so, US Americans would be in big trouble now.

So basically you have a problem with Jews because they're different.

In what insane world is it YOUR business what the conversion process for Judaism or any other religion?
I find Christians over the top with their obsession to convert people (in my experience converting a Jew is a special catch) but I wouldn't for one minute think it is my business to tell them they shouldn't do that.

It's called freedom of religion.

Overall, I find your POV extremely INTOLERANT.

Tell your "friend" to try converting to Reform Judaism.

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So basically you have a problem with Jews because they're different.

Trying to brand me as some kind of racist or whatever "phobic" to people different than me? Try harder.

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In what insane world is it YOUR business what the conversion process for Judaism or any other religion?
I find Christians over the top with their obsession to convert people (in my experience converting a Jew is a special catch) but I wouldn't for one minute think it is my business to tell them they shouldn't do that.

So you can express your POV about Christians calling them obsessive when it comes to convert people but I cannot do that?

I did not tell anyone what they should or shouldn´t do. I just expressed my opinion that this "chosen people" thing might create more problems for the Jews than they can imagine and suggested to be more open minded and maybe create a welcoming culture for people interested in converting to Judaism instead of insisting on birthright only which actually is a kind of racism as race can only be acquired by genes and not by conversion.

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's called freedom of religion.

Overall, I find your POV extremely INTOLERANT.

Wake up call.

What I wrote is called freedom of expression or freedom of speech.

You denying me that is textbook INTOLERANCE.

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

What I wrote is called freedom of expression or freedom of speech.

You denying me that is textbook INTOLERANCE.

No one is denying your freedom of expression. The OP has the right to express his or her views on your antisemitism.

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Tell your "friend" to try converting to Reform Judaism.

My "friend" (whatever you are trying to insinuate with your quotation marks as you are clearly not quoting because I wrote "A girl I once knew") is to be more precise the former girlfriend of my workmate´s son, whom I met at his birthday party. I don´t know to what kind of Judaism she tried to convert.

3 minutes ago, Fact said:

No one is denying your freedom of expression. The OP has the right to express his or her views on your antisemitism.

Oh, really, and what else does "In what insane world is it YOUR business what the conversion process for Judaism or any other religion?" mean than "shut the f... up, not your business".

On top of that he stated I had a problem with Jews because they are different, which is an empty accusation as I have not written anything like that, same as you calling me anti-semitic without any explanation on what you base this accusation which again turns it into meaningless banter.

Debate like a mature grown up and add facts or proof to your statements or stop wasting my time.

It’s pointless trying to argue about Israel and Palestine.

Until it can be accepted that the 750,000 people expelled in the Nakba that now reside in Gaza have been wronged, things are going to go nowhere.

And if you do accept this, how do you right it?

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It’s pointless trying to argue about Israel and Palestine.

Until it can be accepted that the 750,000 people expelled in the Nakba that now reside in Gaza have been wronged, things are going to go nowhere.

And if you do accept this, how do you right it?

No word from you about the Jewish Nakba.

20 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Oh, really, and what else does "In what insane world is it YOUR business what the conversion process for Judaism or any other religion?" mean than "shut the f... up, not your business".

On top of that he stated I had a problem with Jews because they are different, which is an empty accusation as I have not written anything like that, same as you calling me anti-semitic without any explanation on what you base this accusation which again turns it into meaningless banter.

Debate like a mature grown up and add facts or proof to your statements or stop wasting my time.

Yes I do think that about you.

33 minutes ago, Somjot said:

My "friend" (whatever you are trying to insinuate with your quotation marks as you are clearly not quoting because I wrote "A girl I once knew") is to be more precise the former girlfriend of my workmate´s son, whom I met at his birthday party. I don´t know to what kind of Judaism she tried to convert.

The sect makes a huge difference .But I get it. Jews are Jews right?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No word from you about the Jewish Naka.

You would have to explain what that is, I can find three definitions for that.

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

You would have to explain what that is, I can find three definitions for that.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

You would have to explain what that is, I can find three definitions for that.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

You would have to explain what that is, I can find three definitions for that.

No surprise at all that you're ignorant about that.

Everything is black and white to Israel demonizers

18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It’s pointless trying to argue about Israel and Palestine.

Until it can be accepted that the 750,000 people expelled in the Nakba that now reside in Gaza have been wronged, things are going to go nowhere.

And if you do accept this, how do you right it?

Those numbers would be way done now if the current Israeli regime got their way. They would massacre every single man, woman and child there in a heartbeat if their Daddy Yankee wouldn't publicly protest and have to act about it.

On 3/13/2026 at 6:52 PM, Jeff the Chef said:

Sadly Israeli's think they are above the law.

They are.

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are mistaken. As much as any people on earth, Israelis and all other Jews want wars to end. Constant war for 78 years has been enough.

Dammit, Ev! I'm a victim of all three! "coulrophobia (clowns), gerontophobia (elderly people) and androphobia (men)".

I think all people want peace. But Israel through its history has committed to wars. For their survival you say. I say, what a way to live!

NO IDEA IF I POSTED THIS. APOLOGIES IF I DID.

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My fear is that Israel was created by conquest and, yes, terrorism by Haganah, Irgun & others.

Looking through Israel's history, I can't find a single year of peace.

I fear that Israelis have become so hardened by war that they can't see any other path but violence. The "settlers" are an excellent example of that.

Can Israelis grow any humanity, and how?

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Everything is black and white to Israel demonizers

That's the majority of the world. How can people with more as ls NOT demonize Israel as they're breaking international laws, genociding, occupying etc openly, arrogantly, with the world watching.

Aggressive, terrorist state.

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are mistaken. As much as any people on earth, Israelis and all other Jews want wars to end. Constant war for 78 years has been enough.

You're avin a laff.

They are currently invading/annexing Lebanon, atwar with Iran after an unwarranted attack, genocide Gaza, and according to far right ministers want parts of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, and more.

Peace my bottom.

Do you support Smotrich? I guess you must.

Smotrich claimed that Israel would expand “little by little” and eventually encompass all Palestinian territories as well as Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-borders-extend-damascus

4 hours ago, Somjot said:

Oh, really, and what else does "In what insane world is it YOUR business what the conversion process for Judaism or any other religion?" mean than "shut the f... up, not your business".

On top of that he stated I had a problem with Jews because they are different, which is an empty accusation as I have not written anything like that, same as you calling me anti-semitic without any explanation on what you base this accusation which again turns it into meaningless banter.

Debate like a mature grown up and add facts or proof to your statements or stop wasting my time.

I have the freedom to call you an antisemite. Deal with it.

30 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Do you support Smotrich? I guess you must.

You have asked me and others that question several times in the past and the answer is always the same. No, I do not support Smotrich.

On 2/28/2026 at 7:11 AM, JimCM said:

So you must support Smotrich, Ben Gvir, and Netanyahu?

On 1/14/2026 at 10:27 AM, JimCM said:

Do you support Netanyahu, Smotrich and Ban Gvir's plan to get all Gazans out to other countries?

On 10/19/2025 at 2:21 AM, JimCM said:

Do you agree with the most powerful ministers, Ben Gvir and Smotrich?

I can't use the quote function for this one because the thread is locked.

Nov. 18, 2025

Do you support Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Katz, who are not reprimanded by Netanyahu?

1 hour ago, JimCM said:

That's the majority of the world. How can people with more as ls NOT demonize Israel as they're breaking international laws, genociding, occupying etc openly, arrogantly, with the world watching.

Aggressive, terrorist state.

Israel fulfills an essential function as the homeland of the world's Jews. Because some countries and groups in the region refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, the Israeli government and armed forces must sometimes take unconventional action to defend Israel's borders.

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You have asked me and others that question several times in the past and the answer is always the same. No, I do not support Smotrich.

I can't use the quote function for this one because the thread is locked.

Nov. 18, 2025

Do you support Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Katz, who are not reprimanded by Netanyahu?

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You have asked me and others that question several times in the past and the answer is always the same. No, I do not support Smotrich.

I can't use the quote function for this one because the thread is locked.

Nov. 18, 2025

Do you support Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Katz, who are not reprimanded by Netanyahu?

So you support Israel but not the government?

37 minutes ago, JimCM said:

So you support Israel but not the government?

I support some aspect of Israeli government policy but not others. I don't align with any political party. I support Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews and the only Jewish-majority state.