4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

No you haven't; you have not provided any quote that I have made that can be described as hate; you simply posted an incorrect accusation from another poster

He does that a lot.

9 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

All loss of life in this appalling middle-east war is tragic, and completely unacceptable; it’s a shame however, that you neglected to mention that this only happened because Hezbollah resumed firing rockets and drones indiscriminately at the civilian population of Israel on 2nd March 2026, breaking a ceasefire that had been in place since November 2024 ✌️ 

And its a shame you neglect to say Israel is a signatory to all 4 Geneva Conventions, with Israel not officially accepting the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the occupied territories. Lebanon is not the occupied territories. The Geneva Convention expressly calls upon the protection of hospitals and ambulances. It makes no difference who operates those ambulances. Lebanese army ambulances do not enjoy special protection over ambulances operated by other organisations, official or unofficial.

Or are you suggesting unofficial ambulances, run by say St Johns or Hatzola, are not accorded protection because they fall outside of official state actors?

10 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

No you haven't; you have not provided any quote that I have made that can be described as hate; you simply posted an incorrect accusation from another poster

Once again, I have not accused you of posting hate.

1 minute ago, Roadsternut said:

And its a shame you neglect to say Israel is a signatory to all 4 Geneva Conventions, with Israel not officially accepting the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the occupied territories. Lebanon is not the occupied territories. The Geneva Convention expressly calls upon the protection of hospitals and ambulances. It makes no difference who operates those ambulances. Lebanese army ambulances do not enjoy special protection over ambulances operated by other organisations, official or unofficial.

Or are you suggesting unofficial ambulances, run by say St Johns or Hatzola, are not accorded protection because they fall outside of official state actors?

Yes, ambulences with terrorists driving are excluded.

16 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Your original comment to me was “When your defense of hate relies on semantics” ….. so I ask you for the third time, what hate have I posted that I am defending ?

Here’s progress.

You’ve identified my statement.

Now identify the bit that accuses you of posting hate?

7 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Legitimate, are you kidding. Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist organisation by the UK, Canada, the USA, the Arab League, the Gulf Cooperation Council, Germany, Japan and many other countries.

However, with a Muslim flag as an avatar, it is not surprising to see you supporting a terrorist organisation, meaning that your claim to believe in International Law is only valid when it suits your narrative.

When it comes to ambulances and hospitals, it doesn't make any difference who is running them. They are protected under the Geneva Conventions. What Hezbollah does against Israeli ambulances and hospitals is of no relevance

When the Allies liberated Nazi occupied Europe, they were witness to horrendous warcrimes. That did not give them a legitimate right of reprisal outside of the rules of armed conflict. And, except for a few isolated occurences, they conformed to that. Hospitals and Aid Stations run by the Waffen SS were treated no differently to any others.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s progress.

You’ve identified my statement.

Now identify the bit that accuses you of posting hate?

Oh, semantics eh; you accused me of defending hate, so what comment did I make that was defending hate, and what hate was I defending.

Again, your problem is that you accused me of defending hate, not because of something I had said, but because of what another poster had said; you allowed them to load the gun, and you couldn’t wait to fire it at me, without checking the legitimacy of their comment first.

9 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

When it comes to ambulances and hospitals, it doesn't make any difference who is running them. They are protected under the Geneva Conventions. What Hezbollah does against Israeli ambulances and hospitals is of no relevance

When the Allies liberated Nazi occupied Europe, they were witness to horrendous warcrimes. That did not give them a legitimate right of reprisal outside of the rules of armed conflict. And, except for a few isolated occurences, they conformed to that. Hospitals and Aid Stations run by the Waffen SS were treated no differently to any others.

If the "Hospitals and Aid Stations run by the Waffen SS" had been hiding munitions and transporting terrorists, they would have been treated differently.

11 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Oh, semantics eh; you accused me of defending hate, so what comment did I make that was defending hate, and what hate was I defending.

Again, your problem is that you accused me of defending hate, not because of something I had said, but because of what another poster had said; you allowed them to load the gun, and you couldn’t wait to fire it at me, without checking the legitimacy of their comment first.

I’ve already provided you a quote.

Your defense of hating Muslims on the grounds of semantics.

25 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

And its a shame you neglect to say Israel is a signatory to all 4 Geneva Conventions

You mean the 4 Geneva conventions of 1949 that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houtis, the IRGC and Islamic Jihad have all signed up to; oh, wait a minute, I forgot, it is only Israel that the world demands play by the rules …. I bet you can’t even remember what happened on 7th October 2023

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your defense of hating Muslims on the grounds of semantics

Evidence or retraction please

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Evidence or retraction please

I’ve provided a quotation.

Unlike your assertion that I accused you of posting hate ;-)

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve already provided you a quote.

Your defense of hating Muslims on the grounds of semantics.

I hate muslims, and you hate jews. This seems like a fair balance.

Just now, Fact said:

I hate muslims, and you hate jews. This seems like a fair balance.

I don’t dispute your claim that you hate Muslims.

You have zero evidence, because there is non, that I hate Jews, I do not.

Be proud of your own hate if it makes you feel better about yourself, but don’t imagine hate on behalf of others.

28 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

What Hezbollah does against Israeli ambulances and hospitals is of no relevance

Well you certainly nailed your colours firmly to the mast there; no ambiguity about that little gem.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve provided a quotation

You absolutely have not

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You have zero evidence, because there is non, that I hate Jews, I do not.

pants on fire

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

pants on fire

Provide any quote from me expressing hatred towards Jews.

There is such an overwhelming amount of propaganda surrounding conflicts in the Middle East. It's hard to discern what is true, and people like me tune it out and dismiss it.

8 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

However, with a Muslim flag as an avatar, it is not surprising to see you supporting a terrorist organisation, meaning that your claim to believe in International Law is only valid when it suits your narrative.

This is a vile attempt to equate terrorism with the peaceful religion of Islam. Just like you deny any wrong doing by the IDF and pretend you said nothing hateful. I mistakenly thought you had found some integrity by not supporting the terrorist IDF for some months....

Reducing someone to a “terrorist supporter” because of a Muslim flag doesn’t just show ignorance - it exposes obvious bigotry and cultural racism. You’re not making a serious argument about international law; you’re relying on prejudice and stereotypes to dismiss people you disagree with. Millions of Muslims live peacefully and contribute positively to societies worldwide, and your comment says far more about your hate than anything else.  

19 minutes ago, JimCM said:

This is a vile attempt to equate terrorism with the peaceful religion of Islam

Jim, this is satire of Olympic standard; and please remember, only a few hours ago, you referred to a proscribed muslim terrorist organisation, Hezbollah, as freedom fighters.

Peaceful religion of Islam, Jim; you seem to have a short memory, so here’s a few reminders for you.

9/11 USA 2,996 dead 25,000 + injured

7/7  London bombs 52 dead 784 injured

2017 London Bridge, 8 killed 48 injured

2017 Barcelona, driver mows down 100 people, 14 dead 130 injured.

2022 Manchester concert bomb, 22 dead 119 injured

2015 Charlie Hebbo 12 dead

2019 London Bridge 2 dead 3 injured

2020 France stabbing and beheading 3 dead

2020 Samuel Paty, French teacher beheaded in the street 

2015 Bataclan, Paris 130 dead 350 wounded

2015 Nice, France, truck rampage 86 dead 434 injured 

2023 Arras France .. teacher stabbed to death

2016 Rouen France 85 year old priest has throat slit at alter of church

2023 Brussels, 2 Swedish football fans shot dead

2018 Carcassonne France 5 dead 15 injured 

2024 Crocus hall Moscow: 140 dead 300 injured

2023 7th October Israel: 1,195 Killed 250 taken hostage.

2025 Feb 13 Munich: Car ramming, 37 injured 2 killed.

2025 Dec 14 Bondi: 15 killed 40 injured 

All these slaughters of innocent western civilians, and there are hundreds more, yes, hundreds, and hundreds more, were carried out by adherents to the faith of Islam …. peace be with you ✌️

15 minutes ago, JimCM said:

This is a vile attempt to equate terrorism with the peaceful religion of Islam. Just like you deny any wrong doing by the IDF and pretend you said nothing hateful. I mistakenly thought you had found some integrity by not supporting the terrorist IDF for some months....

Reducing someone to a “terrorist supporter” because of a Muslim flag doesn’t just show ignorance - it exposes obvious bigotry and cultural racism. You’re not making a serious argument about international law; you’re relying on prejudice and stereotypes to dismiss people you disagree with. Millions of Muslims live peacefully and contribute positively to societies worldwide, and your comment says far more about your hate than anything else.  

“This ‘peaceful religion’ you speak of…

When someone shouts ‘Allāhu akbar’ in a crowded place, the mood changes instantly - people tense up, eyes scan, that split second of fear kicks in.

Yet if someone shouts ‘praise be to Jesus’, people would just roll their eyes - another loud believer, maybe a bit unhinged, but not a threat.

11 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Jim, this is satire of Olympic standard; and please remember, only a few hours ago, you referred to a proscribed muslim terrorist organisation, Hezbollah, as freedom fighters.

Peaceful religion of Islam, Jim; you seem to have a short memory, so here’s a few reminders for you.

9/11 USA 2,996 dead 25,000 + injured

7/7  London bombs 52 dead 784 injured

2017 London Bridge, 8 killed 48 injured

2017 Barcelona, driver mows down 100 people, 14 dead 130 injured.

2022 Manchester concert bomb, 22 dead 119 injured

2015 Charlie Hebbo 12 dead

2019 London Bridge 2 dead 3 injured

2020 France stabbing and beheading 3 dead

2020 Samuel Paty, French teacher beheaded in the street 

2015 Bataclan, Paris 130 dead 350 wounded

2015 Nice, France, truck rampage 86 dead 434 injured 

2023 Arras France .. teacher stabbed to death

2016 Rouen France 85 year old priest has throat slit at alter of church

2023 Brussels, 2 Swedish football fans shot dead

2018 Carcassonne France 5 dead 15 injured 

2024 Crocus hall Moscow: 140 dead 300 injured

2023 7th October Israel: 1,195 Killed 250 taken hostage.

2025 Feb 13 Munich: Car ramming, 37 injured 2 killed.

2025 Dec 14 Bondi: 15 killed 40 injured 

All these slaughters of innocent western civilians, and there are hundreds more, yes, hundreds, and hundreds more, were carried out by adherents to the faith of Islam …. peace be with you ✌️

I’m starting to wonder if JimCM’s IP address traces back to Mosul - and he’s single-handedly trying to re-establish the caliphate from his living room....

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m starting to wonder if JimCM’s IP address traces back to Mosul - and he’s single-handedly trying to re-establish the caliphate from his living room....

Well, he probably finds it a bit sticky wearing that keffiyeh on the beach 🏖️

23 minutes ago, JimCM said:

This is a vile attempt to equate terrorism with the peaceful religion of Islam.

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m starting to wonder if JimCM’s IP address traces back to Mosul - and he’s single-handedly trying to re-establish the caliphate from his living room....

The OP runs a bomb vest factory in his spare room.

51 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Well you certainly nailed your colours firmly to the mast there; no ambiguity about that little gem.

In the strange and bizarre world of the anti semite, Jews arent human

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

In the strange and bizarre world of the anti semite, Jews arent human

Indeed, antisemitism is a light sleeper; easily awoken in the gullible, incurious, and keffiyeh wearing slogan screechers.

Isarel loves destroying medical facilities, ambulances, paramedics and press just like those sick fecks in Golders Green. They deserve each other. Nasty,nasty people. Driven to the point of insanity by centuries of opression to the point where they no longer know what is good and righteous.

https://archive.ph/9keUK

Any desperate attempt to hear even one intelligent voice is doomed to failure. While intelligent discussions about the war are taking place on foreign networks, here only stupidity and ignorance speak. While there, they are telling what is really happening in Iran and Lebanon; here, they are reporting from a wedding in a parking lot – unending nonsense is the main point, without substantive discussion. This is how the stupidity of the masses spreads like a radioactive cloud, destroying everything in its path.

It could get worse. Watch U.S. President Donald Trump's "spiritual adviser," who was appointed head of his "White House Faith Office." An evangelist for holy war: "I hear the sound of victory. I hear the sound of shouting and singing. I hear a sound of victory. The Lord says it is done. I hear victory! Victory! Victory!" she screams in ecstasy. Soon it will be here.

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Isarel loves destroying medical facilities, ambulances, paramedics and press just like those sick fecks in Golders Green. They deserve each other. Nasty,nasty people. Driven to the point of insanity by centuries of opression to the point where they no longer know what is good and righteous.

https://archive.ph/9keUK

Any desperate attempt to hear even one intelligent voice is doomed to failure. While intelligent discussions about the war are taking place on foreign networks, here only stupidity and ignorance speak. While there, they are telling what is really happening in Iran and Lebanon; here, they are reporting from a wedding in a parking lot – unending nonsense is the main point, without substantive discussion. This is how the stupidity of the masses spreads like a radioactive cloud, destroying everything in its path.

It could get worse. Watch U.S. President Donald Trump's "spiritual adviser," who was appointed head of his "White House Faith Office." An evangelist for holy war: "I hear the sound of victory. I hear the sound of shouting and singing. I hear a sound of victory. The Lord says it is done. I hear victory! Victory! Victory!" she screams in ecstasy. Soon it will be here.

Nurse

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Isarel loves destroying medical facilities, ambulances, paramedics and press just like those sick fecks in Golders Green. They deserve each other. Nasty,nasty people. Driven to the point of insanity by centuries of opression to the point where they no longer know what is good and righteous.

I'd like to straighten something out...

The UN’s own investigations after the 2014 Gaza war confirmed that weapons were stored in UN schools and that those facilities were likely used by militants. That’s wasn't “propaganda” - it was proven and documented.

So when people talk about Hamas operating in civilian areas, it’s not some fringe claim. It’s a pattern:

- Rockets launched from residential neighbourhoods

- Weapons hidden in schools

- Fighting embedded in densely populated zones

Hamas using civilians as shields - whether people like the wording or not.

If we try and flip the situation for a second - If Israel stored missiles in its own schools or fired rockets from hospitals, the global reaction would be instant and absolute outrage. There would be nonstop headlines, sanctions, protests - no nuance, no “context”, no excuses.

But when it’s Hamas, for 'some' people suddenly everything becomes complicated, justified, or ignored.

You can criticise Israel all day long - and many do - but if you can’t also acknowledge this reality about Hamas, then it’s not about human rights anymore. It’s about selective outrage.