On 3/28/2026 at 3:36 AM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Archetypal response, straight from the left-wing book of deflection techniques; if Islamic terrorism is ever mentioned, don’t engage, ignore it completely, and deflect, obfuscate and always use whataboutery; when any Islamic terrorism is mentioned, it is a dictum you follow with the kind of fanaticism not often found west of Tabriz.

Not being a UK citizen, you probably don’t appreciate the scale of the devastation of the 7/7 London bombings; when 4 nice young muslim lads from the religion of peace blew themselves up, killing  52 innocent UK citizens, and injuring over 700; something in my comment that you unsurprisingly have totally ignored.

I do. I was there. I also worked in Belfast. All those Roman Catholics causing utter devastation and atrocities. Tavistock Square was terrible, but we've had a lot of those sort of attacks. Just shrug and get on with things, don't hide like some other countries. One bomb, just one bomb, took 29 civilians in Omagh.

There is a problem with Irish Catholic extremism, aided and abetted by members of the US public and their elected representatives for 40+ years.

As pointed out to you, you deflected the discussion to cover terrorism in the UK. Why are you not mentioning the IRA. Are you Irish, or of Irish stock?

2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

I do. I was there. I also worked in Belfast. All those Roman Catholics causing utter devastation and atrocities. Tavistock Square was terrible, but we've had a lot of those sort of attacks. Just shrug and get on with things, don't hide like some other countries. One bomb, just one bomb, took 29 civilians in Omagh.

There is a problem with Irish Catholic extremism, aided and abetted by members of the US public and their elected representatives for 40+ years.

As pointed out to you, you deflected the discussion to cover terrorism in the UK. Why are you not mentioning the IRA. Are you Irish, or of Irish stock?

Have to laugh at all these racists in northern Ireland calling other ethnicities terrorists lol

, one bloke at my work in Australia oh about 15 years ago now,Steve who came from North Ireland

had a Irish accent but denied he was Irish ..."I'm British" he kept telling me

Yes Steve , I said your British"with a Irish accent" ...lol...

and I'm British with a Aussie accent ....oh how ridiculous is it ....but ...you can identify whatever you want nowadays, I guess if he wanted to be British nowadays with an Irish accent he can be !!!

Last I heard Steve was identifying as a Australian Aboriginal living in free housing up near Alice Springs and Uluru

5 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

I do. I was there. I also worked in Belfast. All those Roman Catholics causing utter devastation and atrocities. Tavistock Square was terrible, but we've had a lot of those sort of attacks. Just shrug and get on with things, don't hide like some other countries. One bomb, just one bomb, took 29 civilians in Omagh.

There is a problem with Irish Catholic extremism, aided and abetted by members of the US public and their elected representatives for 40+ years.

As pointed out to you, you deflected the discussion to cover terrorism in the UK. Why are you not mentioning the IRA. Are you Irish, or of Irish stock?

I didn’t  think it particularly deflective to mention an Islamic terrorist attack in the UK when the thread is about a Western democracy at war with the Islamic terrorist organisation, Hezbollah. I also wanted to flag up the excellent BBC dramatisation “A Song For Jenny”

You are the one to indulge in deflection, exactly as the poster I was replying to does; you followed the same dictum, don’t engage and indulge immediately in whataboutery. All but 5 words of your reply to me are about the IRA and the Omagh bombing in 1998 !!

You don’t want a discourse about Islamic terrorism, because like the left-wing extremists on this forum, you have a hissy fit if any muslim is criticised, totally regardless of any heinous act they have committed.

It is not just the acts of terrorism though, it is also the threats, designed to intimidate, silence and shut down any criticism of Islam; in March 2021 at Batley Grammar school in Yorkshire, a teacher showed a caricature of Muhammad in a religious class about blasphemy. A baying crowd of muslims descended on the gates of the school demanding his sacking, and he and his wife and young children all received death threats.

There was a mountain of online evidence of death threats, but despite this, West Yorkshire Police failed to make one single arrest or prosecution; instead they told the teacher to go into hiding with his wife and four young children.

In 2024 a review by Dame Sara Khan concluded that the police had completely failed the teacher (guess why)

The teacher and his entire family were all given new identities, and are still in hiding 5 years later, their lives lying in tatters …. You and others on the left want to ignore incidents like this, and consequently embolden the intimidation, shameful … Britain 2026

On 3/26/2026 at 12:26 PM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Legitimate, are you kidding. Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist organisation by the UK, Canada, the USA, the Arab League, the Gulf Cooperation Council, Germany, Japan and many other countries.

However, with a Muslim flag as an avatar, it is not surprising to see you supporting a terrorist organisation, meaning that your claim to believe in International Law is only valid when it suits your narrative.

You do the exact same thing, you take it out of context as well ignore that what he spoke about actually is really true and happened, to then support your very own narrative, being against them. Same this has zero to do with Israel being just as much a terrorist state at this point, if not worse at very very least equal.

3 hours ago, BuffaloRider said:

You do the exact same thing, you take it out of context as well ignore that what he spoke about actually is really true and happened, to then support your very own narrative, being against them. Same this has zero to do with Israel being just as much a terrorist state at this point, if not worse at very very least equal.

Did you read the comment I was replying to ?

What did I take out of context ?

He said, and I quote “Hezbollah are a legitimate freedom fighting group” and I replied that they are not, that they are in fact a terrorist organisation. How is that taking anything out of context ?

Are you feeling okay ?

33 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Did you read the comment I was replying to ?

What did I take out of context ?

He said, and I quote “Hezbollah are a legitimate freedom fighting group” and I replied that they are not, that they are in fact a terrorist organisation. How is that taking anything out of context ?

Are you feeling okay ?

Views on Hezbollah vary and are not as black and white as being argued in this thread.

Pick the view you agree with, but don’t pretend it to be the only view or more importantly the only correct view.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Views on Hezbollah vary and are not as black and white as being argued in this thread.

Pick the view you agree with, but don’t pretend it to be the only view or more importantly the only correct view.

I disagree insomuch as I have seen little, or no, ambiguity towards Hezbollah; although I note that you do not express an opinion about their legitimacy.

I don’t pretend that mine is the only view; maybe you didn’t realise that my original comment was replying to @JimCM who has a completely opposite view to myself, and believes Hezbollah to be a freedom fighting group.

Maybe you could make a comment to him telling him not to pretend that his is the only view, or the only correct view …… hmmmmm

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I didn’t  think it particularly deflective to mention an Islamic terrorist attack in the UK when the thread is about a Western democracy at war with the Islamic terrorist organisation, Hezbollah. I also wanted to flag up the excellent BBC dramatisation “A Song For Jenny”

You are the one to indulge in deflection, exactly as the poster I was replying to does; you followed the same dictum, don’t engage and indulge immediately in whataboutery. All but 5 words of your reply to me are about the IRA and the Omagh bombing in 1998 !!

You don’t want a discourse about Islamic terrorism, because like the left-wing extremists on this forum, you have a hissy fit if any muslim is criticised, totally regardless of any heinous act they have committed.

It is not just the acts of terrorism though, it is also the threats, designed to intimidate, silence and shut down any criticism of Islam; in March 2021 at Batley Grammar school in Yorkshire, a teacher showed a caricature of Muhammad in a religious class about blasphemy. A baying crowd of muslims descended on the gates of the school demanding his sacking, and he and his wife and young children all received death threats.

There was a mountain of online evidence of death threats, but despite this, West Yorkshire Police failed to make one single arrest or prosecution; instead they told the teacher to go into hiding with his wife and four young children.

In 2024 a review by Dame Sara Khan concluded that the police had completely failed the teacher (guess why)

The teacher and his entire family were all given new identities, and are still in hiding 5 years later, their lives lying in tatters …. You and others on the left want to ignore incidents like this, and consequently embolden the intimidation, shameful … Britain 2026

Another of the crypto commies making false accusations about the Tory voters. Blocked. Bye Bye.

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I disagree insomuch as I have seen little, or no, ambiguity towards Hezbollah; although I note that you do not express an opinion about their legitimacy.

I don’t pretend that mine is the only view; maybe you didn’t realise that my original comment was replying to @JimCM who has a completely opposite view to myself, and believes Hezbollah to be a freedom fighting group.

Maybe you could make a comment to him telling him not to pretend that his is the only view, or the only correct view …… hmmmmm

Once again, I’ll reply to whoever I wish to reply to and offer/withhold whichever of my opinions I choose.

On 3/26/2026 at 11:57 AM, JimCM said:

It's a war crime and btw Hezbollah are a legitimate freedom fighting group, formed when Lebanon occupied by Israel and USA re 1982.

Can't agree with you there, Jim. Both Hezbollah and Hamas have outlived any usefulness they may have had. "Freedom fighters" are defined as those protecting their sovereign land within their own countries Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah attacks fit that description.

That said, Israel is increasing its war crimes tally day by day. Dangerous neighbour who think they own everything.

I've just written to Canada's PM to apply trade sanctions on Israel if the massive E1settlement happens. It's a blatant takeover of a territory illegally occupied.

Israel targeted doctors, nurses, medics, ambulances, hospitals in Gaza, too.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again, I’ll reply to whoever I wish to reply to and offer/withhold whichever of my opinions I choose.

Indeed you will; and your two-tier methodology of holding other posters opinions to account has been duly noted.

2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Another of the crypto commies making false accusations about the Tory voters. Blocked. Bye Bye.

Nonsensical reply; but, unsurprisingly, when faced with facts and opinions that do not align with your pro-Islamist narrative, you pull out the hissy fit.

Blocking someone on an open online forum; the last resort of an exhausted mind.

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Indeed you will; and your two-tier methodology of holding other posters opinions to account has been duly noted.

Forgive me for calling out the nonsense you post.

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Forgive me for calling out the nonsense you post.

The “nonsense” that you are alleging I posted, was my assertion that Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation; helpful to know that you consider that nonsense.

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The “nonsense” that you are alleging I posted, was my assertion that Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation; helpful to know that you consider that nonsense.

As I pointed out, views on that matter vary. You monochromatic thinking is the nonsense I refer to.

Well that and deflecting from the actual topic of discussion, the attrocity of More than 40 paramedics killed by Israeli strikes in Lebanon

14 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I didn’t  think it particularly deflective to mention an Islamic terrorist attack in the UK when the thread is about a Western democracy at war with the Islamic terrorist organisation, Hezbollah.

This thread is certainly NOT about what you falsely say -total, expected deflection as usual. You drag in an unrelated attack in the UK to muddy the waters when the actual issue is a terrorist Israeli state  killing over 40 innocent paramedics in Lebanon. That’s not “context” - it’s total distraction.

And spare me the “Western democracy” line. Western democracy - my bottom, it's in Asia. And a bigoted slip there by throwing in that Hezbollah is Islamic...Bombing medical workers and civilians isn’t democracy, it’s brutality. Calling Hezbollah terrorists doesn’t magically excuse every international war crime Israel does. Your country may call Hezbollah terrorists but most don't -  funny how this “everyone agrees” narrative only seems to include a handful of Western governments. Here in Thailand - where we actually live - Hezbollah isn’t even proscribed as a terrorist organisation. Same goes for Malaysia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Cambodia, Laos… and then you’ve got China and India thrown in for good measure(that's nearly 3 billion souls!)

But sure, let’s pretend there’s some universal consensus, when in reality most of the world’s population lives in countries that don’t follow that line. It’s almost as if the “global agreement” isn’t quite as global as you’d like it to sound.

If anything, this constant pivoting just proves you don’t want to engage with the reality of what’s happening. Israel is acting like a terrorist state, and pointing elsewhere every time it’s criticised doesn’t change that.

8 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Can't agree with you there, Jim. Both Hezbollah and Hamas have outlived any usefulness they may have had. "Freedom fighters" are defined as those protecting their sovereign land within their own countries Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah attacks fit that description.

That said, Israel is increasing its war crimes tally day by day. Dangerous neighbour who think they own everything.

With respect, Hezbollah didn’t just appear for no reason - they were formed in response to the 1982 Lebanon War, when Israeli forces occupied Lebanon and stayed in the south for years.

There was also a U.S.-led multinational force on the ground at the time, so from a local perspective this looked like heavy foreign military involvement in Lebanon. In that situation, it’s not surprising that groups emerged claiming to resist it.

Israel are now wanting to annex Southern Lebanon

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-minister-calls-annexation-southern-lebanon-2026-03-23/

21 minutes ago, JimCM said:

With respect, Hezbollah didn’t just appear for no reason - they were formed in response to the 1982 Lebanon War, when Israeli forces occupied Lebanon and stayed in the south for years.

There was also a U.S.-led multinational force on the ground at the time, so from a local perspective this looked like heavy foreign military involvement in Lebanon. In that situation, it’s not surprising that groups emerged claiming to resist it.

Israel are now wanting to annex Southern Lebanon

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-minister-calls-annexation-southern-lebanon-2026-03-23/

I got the memo that Israel is an imperialist and a coloniser. However, 1982 is a long time to hold a grudge. What's Hezbollah's or Hamas's reason for being right now. It true it would be impossible to make Israel more warlike but those two militant groups are going to change that.

51 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I got the memo that Israel is an imperialist and a coloniser. However, 1982 is a long time to hold a grudge. What's Hezbollah's or Hamas's reason for being right now. It true it would be impossible to make Israel more warlike but those two militant groups are going to change that.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1390981-lebanese-struggle-to-survive-sky-news/

Watch this short video.

9 hours ago, JimCM said:

And spare me the “Western democracy” line. Western democracy - my bottom, it's in Asia

I would appreciate an update from you as to when Israel and Lebanon were moved to Asia; and a link showing official verification would be helpful …. thanks

9 hours ago, JimCM said:

And a bigoted slip there by throwing in that Hezbollah is Islamic

Oh, my apologies, what are they then, Christians ?

50 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I would appreciate an update from you as to when Israel and Lebanon were moved to Asia; and a link showing official verification would be helpful …. thanks

This might help:

https://firmisrael.org/learn/where-is-israel-and-what-continent-is-israel-on/

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This might help:

https://firmisrael.org/learn/where-is-israel-and-what-continent-is-israel-on/

Do you not know anything?

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you not know anything?

Apart from knowing you’re a troll, yes, I know lots of things.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apart from knowing you’re a troll, yes, I know lots of things.

Then why not answer simple questions rather than just deflecting with a link?

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Then why not answer simple questions rather than just deflecting with a link?

Because the link provides a factual statement that answers the question.

I do accept I could just make stuff up like you do, but I like the credible link thing, you know … verifiable facts.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because the link provides a factual statement that answers the question.

I do accept I could just make stuff up like you do, but I like the credible link thing, you know … verifiable facts.

You linked to an opinion piece

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This might help:

https://firmisrael.org/learn/where-is-israel-and-what-continent-is-israel-on/

It won’t help me because I’m not going to open the link; over forty thousand comments on this forum, and yet to voice an opinion of your own; quite remarkable, and you just called someone else a troll.

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

It won’t help me because I’m not going to open the link; over forty thousand comments on this forum, and yet to voice an opinion of your own; quite remarkable, and you just called someone else a troll.

It’s not ‘an opinion’ that Israel is in the continent of Asia.

The use of links to verify facts is quite normal for those who don’t have a problem with verifiable facts.

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I would appreciate an update from you as to when Israel and Lebanon were moved to Asia; and a link showing official verification would be helpful …. thanks

So you don't reply to the main body of my post, just this deflection.

Israel is in Asia, you of all people, should know that.

I'm dumbfounded that you actually don't know this!