Rubbish and nonsense ?

Wiki says otherwise

April 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel

19 minutes ago, johng said:

this will not and never should be forgotten..the instigators of this war are Isreal with lapdog poodle Trump following orders to join in.

The USA attacked and bombed etc IRAN!

IRAN did NOT attack the USA!

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Rubbish and nonsense ?

Wiki says otherwise

April 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel

Not true.

Wiki says it was in retaliation to….

Read it yourself if you’re interested in the truth or live in your little pro Israeli bubble. Up to you.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

Not true.

Wiki says it was in retaliation to….

Read it yourself if you’re interested in the truth or live in your little pro Israeli bubble. Up to you.

I know why .

Iran bombed Israel first .

2 hours ago, johng said:

Complete rubbish.

MAGA Deflection

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Iran first bombed Israel in April 2024 .

You are trying to rewrite history NOT me .

Iran are the aggressors in this war

Without attempting to relate the turbulent history of the Middle East since the founding of the Israeli state, here are a few more details to give context to a complex issue:

"On 1 April 2024, Israel conducted an airstrike on the Iranian embassy complex in Damascus, Syria, destroying the building housing its consular section. The airstrike began the 2024 Iran–Israel conflict …."

The Iranian missile and drone counter-attack on Israel was made on the evening of Saturday 13th April 2024.

"On 19 April 2024 at 5:23 a.m. IRST, the Israeli Air Force launched airstrikes targeting an air defense facility within Iran. The limited airstrikes targeted an air defense radar site at an airbase near Isfahan, in central Iran. Israeli missiles appear to have hit their target directly. Satellite images suggest that a surface-to-air missile battery was damaged or destroyed. There was no extensive damage to the base itself. The attack was launched in response to the Iranian drone and missile strikes in Israel, which itself was an Iranian retaliation for the Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus."

Then later, more tit-for-tat strikes:

"On 26 October 2024, Israel launched three waves of strikes against 20 locations in Iran and other locations in Iraq, and Syria, codenamed Operation Days of Repentance."

2 minutes ago, ericbj said:

Without attempting to relate the turbulent history of the Middle East since the founding of the Israeli state, here are a few more details to give context to a complex issue:

"On 1 April 2024, Israel conducted an airstrike on the Iranian embassy complex in Damascus, Syria, destroying the building housing its consular section. The airstrike began the 2024 Iran–Israel conflict …."

The Iranian missile and drone counter-attack on Israel was made on the evening of Saturday 13th April 2024.

"On 19 April 2024 at 5:23 a.m. IRST, the Israeli Air Force launched airstrikes targeting an air defense facility within Iran. The limited airstrikes targeted an air defense radar site at an airbase near Isfahan, in central Iran. Israeli missiles appear to have hit their target directly. Satellite images suggest that a surface-to-air missile battery was damaged or destroyed. There was no extensive damage to the base itself. The attack was launched in response to the Iranian drone and missile strikes in Israel, which itself was an Iranian retaliation for the Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus."

Then later, more tit-for-tat strikes:

"On 26 October 2024, Israel launched three waves of strikes against 20 locations in Iran and other locations in Iraq, and Syria, codenamed Operation Days of Repentance."

This current war all started when Iranian proxies/funded Hams attacked Israel on Oct 7 th 2023

20 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Before the war:

- Iran didn't control the Strait of Hormuz; now it does

- Iran's oil was sanctioned, now it's not

- Iran was not building a nuke, now it will

- US bases in the Gulf were assets, now liabilities

- Inflation was declining, but is now increasing

Definitely winning! Gas prices at record highs, foodstuffs disappearing from shelves, and young American men putting themselves in harm's way for the lies of a broken man.
For the MAGAs, losing is the new win!

Not forgetting the increased risk to the petrodollar if the GCC have to sell all the US debt they hold, to pay for the repair and reconstruction of their countries. Iran is already demanding payments for oil in Yuan as a condition to pass through the strait.

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This current war all started when Iranian proxies/funded Hams attacked Israel on Oct 7 th 2023

More of your pro-Israeli nonsense

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This current war all started when Iranian proxies/funded Hams attacked Israel on Oct 7 th 2023

Of course one can have history begin where one wishes, according to the narrative desired.

But the conflict's origins can more accurately be traced back to the Nakba. And to the U.N. resolution that purportedly established the state of Israel, and the repeated violations of that and subsequent U.N. resolutions by the now wholly illegal state of Israel.

[I have to admit that I am no great admirer of U.N. resolutions. When in charge of a patrol post on the West Irian border in the mid-60s, I was witness to the inhumane results of the U.N. resolution which handed that country to Indonesia; in the name of "de-colonisation"]

Of course one can take the start of the conflict even further back to the "Balfour Declaration". A letter from the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to Lord Rothschild in which he, with approval of the Cabinet, offers to:

"view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

(Britain would not control Palestine until the following year, in part thanks to the Arab Army of Faisal bin Hussein).

This brief letter, which may have appeared quite normal in colonial times to a colonial power (with its back to the wall) - but totally abusive these days - contains one commonly overlooked phrase:

"it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

[See: https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/text-of-the-balfour-declaration ]

The British Government later declared that it had never intended that the Zionist community be granted sovereign rights over Palestine.

Prior to the introduction of Zionism into the Middle East, Jews lived in harmony with Arabs not only in Palestine, but elsewhere throughout the region, in some cases occupying respected positions. Notably so in Spain prior to the Reconquista, thanks to their high level of scholarship..

Subsequent to the elimination of the Muslim religion in Spain, the Jews were expelled.

"On March 31,1492, Ferdinand and Isabella signed the Edict of Expulsion in the Alhambra Palace in Granada, giving Jews until the end of July to leave the country."

They were welcomed by Muslims throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Turkey.

[See: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2435008/jewish/The-Spanish-Expulsion.htm ]

3 hours ago, ericbj said:

Of course one can have history begin where one wishes, according to the narrative desired.

But the conflict's origins can more accurately be traced back to the Nakba. And to the U.N. resolution that purportedly established the state of Israel, and the repeated violations of that and subsequent U.N. resolutions by the now wholly illegal state of Israel.

[I have to admit that I am no great admirer of U.N. resolutions. When in charge of a patrol post on the West Irian border in the mid-60s, I was witness to the inhumane results of the U.N. resolution which handed that country to Indonesia; in the name of "de-colonisation"]

Of course one can take the start of the conflict even further back to the "Balfour Declaration". A letter from the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to Lord Rothschild in which he, with approval of the Cabinet, offers to:

"view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

(Britain would not control Palestine until the following year, in part thanks to the Arab Army of Faisal bin Hussein).

This brief letter, which may have appeared quite normal in colonial times to a colonial power (with its back to the wall) - but totally abusive these days - contains one commonly overlooked phrase:

"it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

[See: https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/text-of-the-balfour-declaration ]

The British Government later declared that it had never intended that the Zionist community be granted sovereign rights over Palestine.

Prior to the introduction of Zionism into the Middle East, Jews lived in harmony with Arabs not only in Palestine, but elsewhere throughout the region, in some cases occupying respected positions. Notably so in Spain prior to the Reconquista, thanks to their high level of scholarship..

Subsequent to the elimination of the Muslim religion in Spain, the Jews were expelled.

"On March 31,1492, Ferdinand and Isabella signed the Edict of Expulsion in the Alhambra Palace in Granada, giving Jews until the end of July to leave the country."

They were welcomed by Muslims throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Turkey.

[See: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2435008/jewish/The-Spanish-Expulsion.htm ]

Of course history didn't start on Oct 7 2023 .

The World began billions of years previously .

The current conflict in the middle East begin when Palestinians attacked Israel .

War was officially declared that day

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Of course history didn't start on Oct 7 2023 .

The World began billions of years previously .

The current conflict in the middle East begin when Palestinians attacked Israel .

War was officially declared that day

Please provide links to the declarations of war

by

(1) the U.S. and

(2) Israel

on Iran.

Offered as some historical background to present circumstances in the Middle East:

https://scottritter.substack.com/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel-fc2

Interpretation of facts may vary according to personal perspectives.

A neocon viewpoint on the current crisis:

https://archive.ph/aZrz9

1 hour ago, ericbj said:

Please provide links to the declarations of war

by

(1) the U.S. and

(2) Israel

on Iran.

Don't you remember ?

Netanyahu was on live TV and he made a declaration of war on October 7/8 th 2023

US Chief of Staff sacked in the middle of a war. Guess he didn't share the strategic vision of Major Hegseth, ex-Minnesota Army National Guard.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5813850-general-randy-george-ouster/

US Army Chief of Chaplains fired

https://baptistnews.com/article/for-first-time-ever-army-chief-of-chaplains-fired-by-hegseth/

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Of course history didn't start on Oct 7 2023 .

The World began billions of years previously .

The current conflict in the middle East begin when Palestinians attacked Israel .

War was officially declared that day

The crap started roughly in the sixth century when the prophet Muhammad invented his cult.

After a month, BDAs further revised. Iran still has at least 50% of its missile launchers left. Anti-shipping missiles have been left largely alone. Aren't you supposed to spend a long time softening up coastal defences ahead of a beach landing?

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/02/politics/iran-missiles-us-military-strikes-trump

Roughly half of Iran’s missile launchers are still intact and thousands of one-way attack drones remain in Iran’s arsenal despite the daily pounding by US and Israeli strikes against military targets over the past five weeks, according to recent US intelligence assessments, three sources familiar with the intel told CNN.

“They are still very much poised to wreak absolute havoc throughout the entire region,” one of the sources said of Iran.

The US intelligence assessment total may include launchers that are currently inaccessible, such as those buried underground by strikes but not destroyed.

Thousands of Iranian drones still exist — roughly 50% of the country’s drone capabilities — two of the sources said the intelligence indicated. The intelligence, compiled in recent days, also showed a large percentage of Iran’s coastal defense cruise missiles were intact, the sources said, consistent with the US not focusing its air campaign on coastal military assets though they have been hitting ships. Those missiles serve as a key capability allowing Iran to threaten shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz.

......Israeli military officials put the total number of operational Iranian launchers at a lower number, roughly 20-25%. Israel does not include launchers that have been buried or made inaccessible in caves and tunnels in their count of surviving launchers, said one of the sources familiar with the US’ intelligence assessment and an Israeli source.

On Wednesday, Trump put the timeline for finishing US operations at two to three weeks.

The first source who has reviewed the US intelligence assessment said such a goal was unrealistic, given how much remains on the playing field for Iran to use.

“We can keep f**king them up, I don’t doubt it, but you’re out of your mind if you think this will be done in two weeks,” the source said.

........The recent intelligence assessment also comes as the US has struggled to re-open the Strait of Hormuz, acknowledging privately that it cannot promise to reopen the crucial waterway before ending the war. The coastal cruise missile capabilities could be largely still intact because it hasn’t been the focus of the US military’s campaign, the first source said, instead narrowing its firepower on what can be fired at allies in the region. But those capabilities have also likely retreated underground, making them difficult to find.

And while Iran’s Navy has largely been destroyed, the first source said, the separate naval forces belonging to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps still retain roughly half of its capabilities. The second source said the IRGC still has “hundreds, if not thousands, of small boats and unmanned surface vessels left.”

......

39 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

The crap started roughly in the sixth century when the prophet Muhammad invented his cult.

How on earth is Islam any more or less of a cult than Christianity or any other religion? Is it because you believe in the "right" God? Lucky you!

You could easily argue that Christianity is the biggest cult of them all.

11 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

How on earth is Islam any more or less of a cult than Christianity or any other religion? Is it because you believe in the "right" God? Lucky you!

You could easily argue that Christianity is the biggest cult of them all.

I'm a non believer in any fairy tale.

Beside my belief it is not a god issue - it is a prophet issue.

11 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

How on earth is Islam any more or less of a cult than Christianity or any other religion? Is it because you believe in the "right" God? Lucky you!

You could easily argue that Christianity is the biggest cult of them all.

This is the definition, and Christianity doesn't fit that............

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cult

/kəlt/

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noun

noun: cult; plural noun: cults

1. 1.

   a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members.......................As Christians we are making a choice based on belief and not by control, no matter how we were raised we still have our own choices as adults.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

This is the definition, and Christianity doesn't fit that............

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cult

/kəlt/

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noun

noun: cult; plural noun: cults

1. 1.

   a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members.......................As Christians we are making a choice based on belief and not by control, no matter how we were raised we still have our own choices as adults.

Indoctrinated as kids. It's a cult.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Indoctrinated as kids. It's a cult.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No, as you can see from the definition, it's about control. Teaching your children about God, as long as it's not in a forceful manner, is necessary, just as teaching them about anything else that's important. They'll still be adults and can make up their own minds if what they're taught either makes sense or doesn't.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

No, as you can see from the definition, it's about control. Teaching your children about God, as long as it's not in a forceful manner, is necessary, just as teaching them about anything else that's important. They'll still be adults and can make up their own minds if what they're taught either makes sense or doesn't.

I don’t think any young mind should be taught (indoctrinated) in religion.

It’s a prison of belief and it’s very difficult to break free

52 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t think any young mind should be taught (indoctrinated) in religion.

It’s a prison of belief and it’s very difficult to break free

And also can be the most important lessons you'll learn. Not just any religion but about Jesus and God.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

And also can be the most important lessons you'll learn. Not just any religion but about Jesus and God.

Oh right, imaginary stuff.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Oh right, imaginary stuff.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Some think so, and it's sad, as they learned exactly the way to have no hope for a life after this one, even though what we see every day since we're born is all the evidence we as believers need to know there is a God. The good and the bad and why there is a bad and a good.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Some think so, and it's sad, as they learned exactly the way to have no hope for a life after this one, even though what we see every day since we're born is all the evidence we as believers need to know there is a God. The good and the bad and why there is a bad and a good.

Which god? there are about 12,000 to choose from

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

Which god? there are about 12,000 to choose from

But all besides one are made up.