1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

The time is coming where we won't be doing that any longer.
We're headed towards a form of isolationism and its long over due, great for America, not good for our fake friends.
Its going to be epic watching them all try and figure out how to defend themselves.

So many are against Trump that that's all they see, and blame Americans because some voted for him. His thing is all for America first, and he does things that piss many off, many forgetting the good America has done in the past and focusing on the failures, even if they were somewhat warranted with good intentions.

Many have taken advantage of American policies and when he tries to put America first, which is right thinking, how he's going about it has them see him as evil and ruining things.

I never liked Trump, but what can you do when he's all we have? People support their leaders all over, and are also blind to their mistakes. Trump being the most powerful position on earth is going to be over scrutinized and blamed for anything that goes wrong, even though it's not him that's coming up with all the actions the US is taking but signing off on them.

Every president I've seen in my 69 years has made mistakes, as well as many world leaders, but you can't please everyone. They all have done some things that have helped their citizens, along with things that have hurt certain groups. if the world was all blue collar workers and more even in wealth, more would be happier.

If we all saw the endgame of this war, we might see why this is going down. Of course sh*t happens during conflicts, and innocents are killed, and the blame starts, and that's what they focus on, but will it help the majority when it's over? Yes, America is great when people benefit from it's actions, but Satan when things go sideways. Again, how can you please everyone when evil exists and some support it?

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Have you not noticed, in all of your news watching where you get your information from, all the celebrating Iran's people, both in Iran and in many other countries, what the US is doing? Rome wasn't built in a day.

This thread is becoming a cliche festival.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

This thread is becoming a cliche festival.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

True, as many don't know what to believe and offer their own opinions on how things should happen. Again, how can you please everyone if there are so many different wants in people? God himself could come down and say how things are going to be and many would disagree. Everyone wants to be an armchair quarterback but there's only a few in charge, and all we can do is sit back and complain, hoping whatever happens benefits us.

20 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

The time is coming where we won't be doing that any longer.
We're headed towards a form of isolationism and its long over due, great for America, not good for our fake friends.
Its going to be epic watching them all try and figure out how to defend themselves.

With isolationism comes irrelevance.

Our world is intricately interlinked, politically, economically, socially and diplomatically. If America withdraws from those links then few will bother to deal with it. Under it's current leadership, having gone through all 4 of those international china shops like a bull on steroids, if it embraces isolationism, the rest of the world will heave a sigh of relief and get on with life and it's problems.

You will be able to concentrate on your domestic matters, crippling debt, crumbling infrastructure, huge health and social problems, grotesque income equality. An opportunity to put those things right, or perhaps just to cement the wealth of a very few people. The rest of the world will watch you with interest! Hells bells, you may even be able to unblock the khazis on your leviathan of aircraft carriers!

15 minutes ago, JAG said:

With isolationism comes irrelevance.

Our world is intricately interlinked, politically, economically, socially and diplomatically. If America withdraws from those links then few will bother to deal with it. Under it's current leadership, having gone through all 4 of those international china shops like a bull on steroids, if it embraces isolationism, the rest of the world will heave a sigh of relief and get on with life and it's problems.

You will be able to concentrate on your domestic matters, crippling debt, crumbling infrastructure, huge health and social problems, grotesque income equality. An opportunity to put those things right, or perhaps just to cement the wealth of a very few people. The rest of the world will watch you with interest! Hells bells, you may even be able to unblock the khazis on your leviathan of aircraft carriers!

Then you and your ilk should be happy campers ! What a glorious day for you.
Aside from islam, nobody wants to live in your country but people sure want to go to America, even today. The gates are closing and its wonderful to see.
Considering how rent free Trump lives in your head that has to cause a lot of restless nights

I hope President Trump does bomb them back to the Stone Age, and then takes control of their oil and the Straight of Hormuz and uses the profit to help America. Nothing wrong with doing that, and most of the world will be better off.

Iran has no military power left. They are just trying to delay the inevitable in hopes that Trump gives up. The Stone Age comments make it clear he will not. It is excellent military strategy - this isn't Nixon in Vietnam that they are dealing with.

20 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

So you do believe all you hear on newscasts. Or maybe you have inside information from some Iranian or live on the shores of Hormuz? Funny how even the US doesn't know all who's using the strait and what are on the boats that do get by, but they do have many ways to monitor them. China and Russia do supply electronics, sensors and technology to Iran through supply chains, but as far as weapons you certainly don't know.

Chinese chemical shipments to Iran raise missile buildup concerns

There are shiploads of sodium perchlorate, an essential element needed to fuel ballistic missiles. Instead of relying on 'chosen' newscasts that tell you what you want to hear, read a little wider.

5 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

Chinese chemical shipments to Iran raise missile buildup concerns

There are shiploads of sodium perchlorate, an essential element needed to fuel ballistic missiles. Instead of relying on 'chosen' newscasts that tell you what you want to hear, read a little wider.

I listen to all sides, and wait for the truth which comes out eventually. Any news cast can be what anyone wants to hear, but facts are different than opinions and biased podcasts.

27 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I listen to all sides, and wait for the truth which comes out eventually. Any news cast can be what anyone wants to hear, but facts are different than opinions and biased podcasts.

Fact 1. China is probably more dependent on oil from the Persian Gulf than any other country.

Fact 2. China dominates the world market in term of sodium perchlorate production and consumption.

Your inability to connect the dots is expected. As is your ability to spout pabulum and platitudes.

A very apt image. Trump off to play golf while all the others do the real work!

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Fact 1. China is probably more dependent on oil from the Persian Gulf than any other country.

Fact 2. China dominates the world market in term of sodium perchlorate production and consumption.

Your inability to connect the dots is expected. As is your ability to spout pabulum and platitudes.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Expected? LOL Actually, it's your inability to properly read people, as you're once again assuming. You, like him, go by media, which , as everyone knows, can be lies, biased or the truth. Thinking I haven't also read what you have read is another assumption.

What a person says in an online forum isn't everything they know . That I question everything means I've seen more than my share of BS in my life, and again, go by facts. This is why it's a good idea to stay in the middle, as both sides have lied and promised, along with told some truths.

You have zero idea how much I know, who I know, or what I believe to be true, besides what I've said here, which has always been unbiased and honest. "China is "probably" means you are guessing. China dominating the world market in anything is easy to decipher, as it's readily available online and is how you know. Think before you comment, as you have a penchant for underestimating and making ignorant statements from your own opinions.

You don't know much about the US, especially compared to people who have lived there all their lives, meaning many decades, so don't assume you do. even though you've "been there many times", and like everyone else, go by what others have said, which, as everyone again knows, can be the truth or plain BS.

I stand by my statement you replied to, as it's the truth. It doesn't matter what you believe as it's only your own opinion, and anything that is fact and not opinion, can be also known by millions of people worldwide, including me, as that information is again readily available. You might think you're always right, and might be right at times, but you have no idea what anyone else on earth knows, so it's a good idea not to assume, as that puts you in a category that's not a good place to be.

On 4/3/2026 at 10:10 AM, Screaming said:

Stone age, Iran has always been in the stone age. Best option would be to turn Iran into glass.

Thank you for your delusion and immorality.

Not sure if you can face reality, but your messiah is a bloated weakling, not a roided up buffian.

Also, of the 93,000,000 Iranians, it is quite likely not all of them are supportive of their regime. That you are in favor of slaughtering all of them is an indication of a total lack of basic human morality. One might even go so far as to say psychopath.

Let me also guess you, like your messiah, never served in combat.

Such a girlyman you must be!

4 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

You have a source for your porn claim ?

Per forum rules, you're required to provide one.

War "porn" curated for his perverted tastes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-war-daily-video-briefings-b2945332.html

President Donald Trump watches a daily video briefing about the war in Iran curated by U.S. military officials, who show him a reel of “stuff blowing up,” fueling concerns that he “may not be receiving or absorbing” the full picture of the conflict, according to a report.

The joint U.S.-Israeli military operation is now in its fourth week and Trump has seen his approval rating plummet to a new low amid soaring gas prices.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Expected? LOL Actually, it's your inability to properly read people, as you're once again assuming. You, like him, go by media, which , as everyone knows, can be lies, biased or the truth. Thinking I haven't also read what you have read is another assumption.

What a person says in an online forum isn't everything they know . That I question everything means I've seen more than my share of BS in my life, and again, go by facts. This is why it's a good idea to stay in the middle, as both sides have lied and promised, along with told some truths.

You have zero idea how much I know, who I know, or what I believe to be true, besides what I've said here, which has always been unbiased and honest. "China is "probably" means you are guessing. China dominating the world market in anything is easy to decipher, as it's readily available online and is how you know. Think before you comment, as you have a penchant for underestimating and making ignorant statements from your own opinions.

You don't know much about the US, especially compared to people who have lived there all their lives, meaning many decades, so don't assume you do. even though you've "been there many times", and like everyone else, go by what others have said, which, as everyone again knows, can be the truth or plain BS.

I stand by my statement you replied to, as it's the truth. It doesn't matter what you believe as it's only your own opinion, and anything that is fact and not opinion, can be also known by millions of people worldwide, including me, as that information is again readily available. You might think you're always right, and might be right at times, but you have no idea what anyone else on earth knows, so it's a good idea not to assume, as that puts you in a category that's not a good place to be.

I have had a good education in critical thinking and logic. Among other things, plus work and life experience in quite a few countries.

Unbiased and honest? You are an American apologist, my country right or wrong.

You state you go by facts. Please post a couple, because all I see is opinions.

You completely fail to understand the level of contempt many non-Americans have developed for your leader, and Americans like you. We are quite happy to accommodate Americans who are educated enough to admit your country has serious problems, which affect the well-being of the world.

As far as the personal attacks in your posts are concerned, go sit on the rough end of a pineapple.

On 4/3/2026 at 11:54 AM, fredwiggy said:

Then a lot of countries that might not hold back will annihilate a lot of Iran, along with the shelling the US and Israel is already giving them. They can't last forever and will run out of ammo eventually. A mistake by any country is targeting anything civilians need. That's how you really make enemies.

Seriously, what difference do you think there is between Afghanistan and Iran? Iran is a far more functional, deeply rooted state, with a proud historical culture, major resources, established infrastructure, and difficult terrain.

Where Afghanistan is more tribal and fragmented, Iran is more historically grounded and state-centered. And if you think Iranians see Trump as some kind of savior, think again. This is not how you win people over. Bombs, threats, and humiliation do not create trust — they create anger, memory, and future resistance.

And how did it go in Afghanistan? The Taliban were removed, the country was wrecked, twenty years were burned, and in the end the Taliban came back. And how did ISIS rise? Out of the power vacuum, chaos, and state collapse created in Iraq and then expanded by the Syrian war. That is what these interventions keep producing: not stability, but ruins, resentment, and the next monster.

You can bomb cities and destroy infrastructure, but you cannot bomb a nation back to the Stone Age without creating generations of future enemies. People remember, and Iranians in particular remember their history.

And for many Muslims, if it was not already clear, Israel’s actions are only deepening the belief that coexistence is impossible under the current reality. That is the logic these wars produce: not peace, but more hatred, more radicalization, and more conflict.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have had a good education in critical thinking and logic. Among other things, plus work and life experience in quite a few countries.

Unbiased and honest? You are an American apologist, my country right or wrong.

You state you go by facts. Please post a couple, because all I see is opinions.

You completely fail to understand the level of contempt many non-Americans have developed for your leader, and Americans like you. We are quite happy to accommodate Americans who are educated enough to admit your country has serious problems, which affect the well-being of the world.

As far as your personal attacks in your posts are concerned, go sit on the rough end of a pineapple.

Where am I an apologist? I know full well what America has done right and wrong as I, again, lived there 62 years. Again you assume so give it a rest. I don't fail to understand anything. You fail to understand you don't know what I know. Up to anyone to hate or love Trump, but doing that has no bearing whatsoever on Americans, because even those who voted for him know how he is, and this is what you're prejudiced against, constantly putting down a country you know very little about, based on the actions of its leader. Again I ask you to look at Australia's problems, and who's responsible. Australia isn't a world power, and isn't all countries in one place like the US, so there's no comparison.

Look at your own personal attacks, and wild assumptions to myself and others here, acting the part of a know it all, when you are also going by opinions, and assuming what others know, which is an attack when you say , "I completely fail to understand", "Your inability to connect the dots is expected", as is my ability to spout pabulum and platitudes, "".You are forgetting these people have had more than 40 years of indoctrination that the US is the Great Satan, and Trump is proving it to them all over again.", Have you forgotten the schoolkids already?", "I am afraid you don't understand", "When will Americans realize Trump is the most damaging and damaged President in US history?", " All you seem to be able to do is spout rah-rah BS how mighty America is."

Every one an assumption or a cutdown, and all wrong, as you again, do not know what I know, and I surely know a lot more about what living as an American entails. Your good education in critical thinking and logic failed to take into consideration you don't know what others think unless they state it, assuming what others know without even knowing them personally, dismissing what they've already said about others (Trump),after saying they already know all about how he acts and what he's done, and thinking all Americans think the same, when many are against the person they voted for.

Lumping all into one category never works, and is why prejudice happens. I don't say all Aussies are ignorant Aboriginal abusers who all act like Crocodile Dundee, get drunk and shoot kangaroos with lights at night with automatic rifles. I in fact would love to visit Australia for it's sights, wildlife and fishing. And after I left, I wouldn't come back and judge anyone living there if a few acted like morons.

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Seriously, what difference do you think there is between Afghanistan and Iran? Iran is a far more functional, deeply rooted state, with a proud historical culture, major resources, established infrastructure, and difficult terrain.

Where Afghanistan is more tribal and fragmented, Iran is more historically grounded and state-centered. And if you think Iranians see Trump as some kind of savior, think again. This is not how you win people over. Bombs, threats, and humiliation do not create trust — they create anger, memory, and future resistance.

And how did it go in Afghanistan? The Taliban were removed, the country was wrecked, twenty years were burned, and in the end the Taliban came back. And how did ISIS rise? Out of the power vacuum, chaos, and state collapse created in Iraq and then expanded by the Syrian war. That is what these interventions keep producing: not stability, but ruins, resentment, and the next monster.

You can bomb cities and destroy infrastructure, but you cannot bomb a nation back to the Stone Age without creating generations of future enemies. People remember, and Iranians in particular remember their history.

And for many Muslims, if it was not already clear, Israel’s actions are only deepening the belief that coexistence is impossible under the current reality. That is the logic these wars produce: not peace, but more hatred, more radicalization, and more conflict.

I go by what I see, and not propaganda on some outlets. Many Iranians want democracy and peace, and many are still on the regime's side. That is why it's mainly up to them to make changes. When some tried, they were persecuted and killed, which isn't anything but blatant control.

There is only one way to stop terrorism and that's eliminating their leaders. Then you hope those that were against them in their own country stay together to make changes and elect a decent leader.

This wasn't about a regime change, which isn't the US's responsibility. We joined Israel against a terrorist regime, which is a definite thing, and who wanted death to the US and Israel, and you can see by their attacking their neighbors it isn't just us they have a problem with. When someone threatens you, you respond or they get away with more attacks, and looking at their history shows how they think. I'm not for bombing anyone back to the stone age, as Iran is a people, and they deserve peace and continued trade with all nations. What they don't deserve is what they had.

I'm not saying this won't be another Afghanistan as it's still Iran's deal to make those changes. It's in the Middle East but a completely different country.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I go by what I see, and not propaganda on some outlets. Many Iranians want democracy and peace, and many are still on the regime's side. That is why it's mainly up to them to make changes. When some tried, they were persecuted and killed, which isn't anything but blatant control.

There is only one way to stop terrorism and that's eliminating their leaders. Then you hope those that were against them in their own country stay together to make changes and elect a decent leader.

This wasn't about a regime change, which isn't the US's responsibility. We joined Israel against a terrorist regime, which is a definite thing, and who wanted death to the US and Israel, and you can see by their attacking their neighbors it isn't just us they have a problem with. When someone threatens you, you respond or they get away with more attacks, and looking at their history shows how they think. I'm not for bombing anyone back to the stone age, as Iran is a people, and they deserve peace and continued trade with all nations. What they don't deserve is what they had.

I'm not saying this won't be another Afghanistan as it's still Iran's deal to make those changes. It's in the Middle East but a completely different country.

You are still missing the point. The question is not whether the regime is brutal. The question is whether bombs, assassinations, and humiliation have ever produced legitimacy or peace. They have not. Removing leaders does not create stability; it creates vacuums, bitterness, and the next round of violence.

And ‘death to the enemy’ is not some uniquely Iranian language. That logic exists on all sides. If we are honest, Israel has been one of the region’s main destabilizing forces, and the U.S. too often serves as the long arm that helps enforce that order. The result is more instability in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and beyond, while the deeper pattern remains the same: more land, more settlements, and less room for anyone else.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

You are still missing the point. The question is not whether the regime is brutal. The question is whether bombs, assassinations, and humiliation have ever produced legitimacy or peace. They have not. Removing leaders does not create stability; it creates vacuums, bitterness, and the next round of violence.

And ‘death to the enemy’ is not some uniquely Iranian language. That logic exists on all sides. If we are honest, Israel has been one of the region’s main destabilizing forces, and the U.S. too often serves as the long arm that helps enforce that order. The result is more instability in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and beyond, while the deeper pattern remains the same: more land, more settlements, and less room for anyone else.

A bomb stopped World War 2. Humiliation isn't necessary. Just extermination of all terrorists. Removing some maniacs has worked, but yes, sometimes it opens the door for more of the same.

If you leave the terrorist leaders, what will they plan next? Is it better to kill them before they act or let them continue with the actions they've already done? They have no place on earth and what other way is there to stop them? All we can is sit back and see what happens, as opinions on what should be done are worthless.

I've seen what Israel has been doing and don't approve of a lot of it but I don't live there and only know a little of what it's like living in fear of their neighbors. I'm next to Cambodia and my village was shelled. I stood to lose everything I own by a rocket sent by a disturbed individual and was glad to see Thailand attack them. This is yet another reason I will take my daughter back home, as many leaders aren't acting in the best interests of their people but ego. Basically, all terrorists should be eliminated, and I see only one way to do that, and it does hurt others. In the end it will save many more.

3 hours ago, animalmagic said:

A very apt image. Trump off to play golf while all the others do the real work!

You should get your eyes checked.

Hint, nobody's playing golf in your picture

1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

You should get your eyes checked.

Hint, nobody's playing golf in your picture

1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

The hunter-gatherers there are on their way back to the village to cook the deer, while Don's looking for the nearest McDonalds.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

A bomb stopped World War 2. Humiliation isn't necessary. Just extermination of all terrorists. Removing some maniacs has worked, but yes, sometimes it opens the door for more of the same.

If you leave the terrorist leaders, what will they plan next? Is it better to kill them before they act or let them continue with the actions they've already done? They have no place on earth and what other way is there to stop them? All we can is sit back and see what happens, as opinions on what should be done are worthless.

I've seen what Israel has been doing and don't approve of a lot of it but I don't live there and only know a little of what it's like living in fear of their neighbors. I'm next to Cambodia and my village was shelled. I stood to lose everything I own by a rocket sent by a disturbed individual and was glad to see Thailand attack them. This is yet another reason I will take my daughter back home, as many leaders aren't acting in the best interests of their people but ego. Basically, all terrorists should be eliminated, and I see only one way to do that, and it does hurt others. In the end it will save many more.

You are still proving my point. The issue is not whether violent leaders are dangerous. The issue is whether bombing, assassinations, and collective punishment actually create peace. Again and again, they do not. They may remove one enemy, but they also create grief, humiliation, rage, and the conditions for the next one. That is exactly how cycles of terror and war reproduce themselves. Fear explains the reaction, but it does not make the strategy wise.

And, Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not ‘prove’ that mass destruction was the only way to end the war. Historians still debate whether the bombs were necessary at all, and there is substantial evidence that Japan was already nearing defeat from blockade, conventional bombing, and the Soviet entry into the war. Even postwar investigators concluded that neither the atomic bombs nor the Soviet declaration alone was central to the surrender decision, though both may have accelerated it. So using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as some clean moral lesson for modern wars is bad history.

«Postwar investigators concluded that neither the atomic bombs nor the Soviet entry into the war was central to the decision to surrender, although they probably helped to advance the date. It was determined that submarine blockade of the Japanese islands had brought economic defeat by preventing exploitation of Japan’s new colonies, sinking merchant tonnage, and convincing Japanese leaders of the hopelessness of the war. Bombing brought the consciousness of defeat to the people. The destruction of the Japanese navy and air forcejeopardized the home islands. By the end of the war, Japan’s cities were destroyed, its stockpiles exhausted, and its industrial capacity gutted. The government stood without prestige or respect. An alarming shortage of food and rising inflation threatened what remained of national strength.»

Source

https://www.britannica.com/place/Japan/World-War-II-and-defeat

A chemical works that makes explosives has been bombed so they won’t have them any more.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You are still proving my point. The issue is not whether violent leaders are dangerous. The issue is whether bombing, assassinations, and collective punishment actually create peace. Again and again, they do not. They may remove one enemy, but they also create grief, humiliation, rage, and the conditions for the next one. That is exactly how cycles of terror and war reproduce themselves. Fear explains the reaction, but it does not make the strategy wise.

And, Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not ‘prove’ that mass destruction was the only way to end the war. Historians still debate whether the bombs were necessary at all, and there is substantial evidence that Japan was already nearing defeat from blockade, conventional bombing, and the Soviet entry into the war. Even postwar investigators concluded that neither the atomic bombs nor the Soviet declaration alone was central to the surrender decision, though both may have accelerated it. So using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as some clean moral lesson for modern wars is bad history.

«Postwar investigators concluded that neither the atomic bombs nor the Soviet entry into the war was central to the decision to surrender, although they probably helped to advance the date. It was determined that submarine blockade of the Japanese islands had brought economic defeat by preventing exploitation of Japan’s new colonies, sinking merchant tonnage, and convincing Japanese leaders of the hopelessness of the war. Bombing brought the consciousness of defeat to the people. The destruction of the Japanese navy and air forcejeopardized the home islands. By the end of the war, Japan’s cities were destroyed, its stockpiles exhausted, and its industrial capacity gutted. The government stood without prestige or respect. An alarming shortage of food and rising inflation threatened what remained of national strength.»

Source

https://www.britannica.com/place/Japan/World-War-II-and-defeat

Yes, Japan was falling, but how many on both side would have died until it ended? No one knows. Eliminating terrorists is necessary, and what other way is there? That's been my point all along. Many here are against Americans because of Trump's actions, but no one has any ideas that would be better. Violence sometimes begets violence but violence definitely stops violence many times.

The leaders make the decisions. We can only sit back and think what would be a better plan. This is why leaders are elected, as they're supposed to know better than we do how to handle threats to our countries. Many complain about them but complaining only works when you have a voice, meaning a lot of people against a side. Iran's people tried this, as did many other countries people, and they're silenced for it.

I've seen all my life what violence does, and still no one has any legitimate answers how to stop terrorism as it begins at home. What's definite is that they are here, they are created every day, they do not negotiate, they care nothing about anyone but their own supposed life afterwards, they hate others who they don't understand, and the only way to stop them is to exterminate them.

Trump thought Khomeini wasn't going to negotiate, so he acted. Was he right? No one knows besides those leaders who were killed, and their followers. Maybe they would have been sending missiles in a week, or maybe not.

What creates peace? Two sides wanting peace and doing what's necessary to have it. This means no nuclear weapons anywhere worldwide, as they're only designed to kill thousands, and if they're in the wrong hands, innocents die because of one maniacs decision. Next comes retaliation, and thousands more die. A game which no one wins. The world only wins when all these types aren't allowed to act. Education at home works only when people have an open mind for something peaceful. When you teach your children the US, Israel, Iraq, England, Germany, etc suck and need to be destroyed, a child grows up thinking it's a good thing to kill others. Brainwashing goes a long way and stays a long time until they see the light.

35 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Where am I an apologist? I know full well what America has done right and wrong as I, again, lived there 62 years. Again you assume so give it a rest. I don't fail to understand anything. You fail to understand you don't know what I know. Up to anyone to hate or love Trump, but doing that has no bearing whatsoever on Americans, because even those who voted for him know how he is, and this is what you're prejudiced against, constantly putting down a country you know very little about, based on the actions of its leader. Again I ask you to look at Australia's problems, and who's responsible. Australia isn't a world power, and isn't all countries in one place like the US, so there's no comparison.

Look at your own personal attacks, and wild assumptions to myself and others here, acting the part of a know it all, when you are also going by opinions, and assuming what others know, which is an attack when you say , "I completely fail to understand", "Your inability to connect the dots is expected", as is my ability to spout pabulum and platitudes, "".You are forgetting these peoplnsibly e have had more than 40 years of indoctrination that the US is the Great Satan, and Trump is proving it to them all over again.", Have you forgotten the schoolkids already?", "I am afraid you don't understand", "When will Americans realize Trump is the most damaging and damaged President in US history?""When will , " All you seem to be able to do is spout rah-rah BS how mighty America is."

Every one an assumption or a cutdown, and all wrong, as you again, do not know what I know, and I surely know a lot more about what living as an American entails. Your good education in critical thinking and logic failed to take into consideration you don't know what others think unless they state it, assuming what others know without even knowing them personally, dismissing what they've already said about others (Trump),after saying they already know all about how he acts and what he's done, and thinking all Americans think the same, when many are against the person they voted for.

Lumping all into one category never works, and is why prejudice happens. I don't say all Aussies are ignorant Aboriginal abusers who all act like Crocodile Dundee, get drunk and shoot kangaroos with lights at night with automatic rifles. I in fact would love to visit Australia for it's sights, wildlife and fishing. And after I left, I wouldn't come back and judge anyone living there if a few acted like morons.

I have said quite a few things which are in my opinion are quite warranted.

A few more facts for you:

You have 14.3K posts. 12.1 K people agree with you in one way or another. OTOH, the number of people that agree with me is nearly double my post count.

Now let's examine the statement I made: "When will Americans realize Trump is the most damaging and damaged President in US history?"

Australia sells about $2 billion worth of pharmaceuticals to the USA. Trump has put a 500% tariff on them.

These products include cutting edge medications such as plasmas, immunoglobulins and recombinant proteins. The USA either can't make enough of them to meet demand, or lacks the technology to do so. Not only does he kill our export industry, he makes life-saving medicines orders of magnitude more expensive for his own citizens, assuming they can even get them.

That's the damaging part.

Historically, Australia has supported America in all its wars, going back to Vietnam. Our blood and treasure has been spent on your behalf. We have made ourselves a nuclear target for you.

Now, your President wants help in a war he started without consultation, and insults us for not leaping into the mess he made.

Only 25% of Australians have any confidence in Trump's leadership. Only 36% think the US can act responsibly. Both are record lows.

That's the damaged part.

I leave it to you to have the last word, as it seems to be an OCD trait. Over to you, I've had enough of your dumbf##kery.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, Japan was falling, but how many on both side would have died until it ended? No one knows. Eliminating terrorists is necessary, and what other way is there? That's been my point all along. Many here are against Americans because of Trump's actions, but no one has any ideas that would be better. Violence sometimes begets violence but violence definitely stops violence many times.

The leaders make the decisions. We can only sit back and think what would be a better plan. This is why leaders are elected, as they're supposed to know better than we do how to handle threats to our countries. Many complain about them but complaining only works when you have a voice, meaning a lot of people against a side. Iran's people tried this, as did many other countries people, and they're silenced for it.

I've seen all my life what violence does, and still no one has any legitimate answers how to stop terrorism as it begins at home. What's definite is that they are here, they are created every day, they do not negotiate, they care nothing about anyone but their own supposed life afterwards, they hate others who they don't understand, and the only way to stop them is to exterminate them.

Trump thought Khomeini wasn't going to negotiate, so he acted. Was he right? No one knows besides those leaders who were killed, and their followers. Maybe they would have been sending missiles in a week, or maybe not.

What creates peace? Two sides wanting peace and doing what's necessary to have it. This means no nuclear weapons anywhere worldwide, as they're only designed to kill thousands, and if they're in the wrong hands, innocents die because of one maniacs decision. Next comes retaliation, and thousands more die. A game which no one wins. The world only wins when all these types aren't allowed to act. Education at home works only when people have an open mind for something peaceful. When you teach your children the US, Israel, Iraq, England, Germany, etc suck and need to be destroyed, a child grows up thinking it's a good thing to kill others. Brainwashing goes a long way and stays a long time until they see the light.

This is going nowhere, because you still refuse to see that states can use the same logic and tools as the terrorists they claim to fight.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have said quite a few things which are in my opinion are quite warranted.

A few more facts for you:

You have 14.3K posts. 12.1 K people agree with you in one way or another. OTOH, the number of people that agree with me is nearly double my post count.

Now let's examine the statement I made: "When will Americans realize Trump is the most damaging and damaged President in US history?"

Australia sells about $2 billion worth of pharmaceuticals to the USA. Trump has put a 500% tariff on them.

These products include cutting edge medications such as plasmas, immunoglobulins and recombinant proteins. The USA either can't make enough of them to meet demand, or lacks the technology to do so. Not only does he kill our export industry, he makes life-saving medicines orders of magnitude more expensive for his own citizens, assuming they can even get them.

That's the damaging part.

Historically, Australia has supported America in all its wars, going back to Vietnam. Our blood and treasure has been spent on your behalf. We have made ourselves a nuclear target for you.

Now, your President wants help in a war he started without consultation, and insults us for not leaping into the mess he made.

Only 25% of Australians have any confidence in Trump's leadership. Only 36% think the US can act responsibly. Both are record lows.

That's the damaged part.

I leave it to you to have the last word, as it seems to be an OCD trait. Over to you, I've had enough of your dumbf##kery.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Did I ever say Trump was right in all he does? I've known all along he makes bad decisions, just like many before. He's rated very low in popularity and he's nothing more than a malignant narcissist with a lot of skeletons in his closet.

A lot of Americans, family of mine included, voted for him because the other side was weak and nothing more. When you get promises from a president during the elections, you hope they deliver, even if you've seen BS for decades as I have. This is why I don't take sides. i trust none of them, even though I've seen a few do a decent job. Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Carter, etc.

If you took all the thumbs downs I receive from the trolls, and those who hate Americans and that I stand up for them, I would have a higher rating myself. Going into this type of topic is going to have many against you no matter what side you're on, which is why I sometimes think It's not worth it to reply, even if I want to try and prove a point.

I've never liked Trump but he's our president and what can you do? You either support him or sit back and watch the endgame, which is what I do. He's done some good things like I posted, and if you hate him, you'll never agree on any of that. Best to have an open mind and see the truth. Many disliked Biden, Obama and Bush, yet they all did some good things, along with being weak in others.

The facts are that all countries do some good things and help the others, and we need trade between all countries because some do things better than others. Fighting each other is stupid. Prejudice is stupid. Blaming all for the actions of a few is stupid.

Answering you isn't OCD. You think I let others talk sh*t and let all of it go? That's what makes me American, standing up for myself. You still think you're always right and you aren't, and they way you talk to others is demeaning. Comprehension means you read ALL of what a person writes, in this and other replies, then make up your mind if you agree or not, and you disagree, think you might be using only your opinions and they don't matter.

You actually thinking the US has no technology for some things leaves out the fact they are world leaders in many others, and dismissing that is prejudiced thinking period. I know what Australia does, and they have helped other countries in wars and technology. I'm not going to dismiss them because you act silly here. Don't blame America for Trump's actions. Most of us aren't on his side anyway, especially in this conflict. Dumbf**kery is yet another one of your shots which is wrong.

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

This is going nowhere, because you still refuse to see that states can use the same logic and tools as the terrorists they claim to fight.

Read again what I wrote, and tell me where I'm wrong. Basically I'm still waiting for someone to tell all of us a better way to handle things when terrorists are involved, which is what I've been referring to all along. How do you make peace when other people want death to innocents?

48 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

You should get your eyes checked.

Hint, nobody's playing golf in your picture

Eyes are fine and my sense of irony is good.

Pictures can be interpreted as you see them. I see a rather sycophantic picture of Trump holding a 'club' and can therefore interpret that as him going off to play golf. Meanwhile all the others around him are trying to put food on the table and survive.

Hint - look for humour.

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Read again what I wrote, and tell me where I'm wrong. Basically I'm still waiting for someone to tell all of us a better way to handle things when terrorists are involved, which is what I've been referring to all along. How do you make peace when other people want death to innocents?

You are wrong in pretending the only choices are extermination or surrender. The real question is whether methods that kill civilians, destroy societies, and create more enemies actually create peace. When the peacekeeper becomes the terrorist, the moral argument collapses.

And that is the pattern: the U.S. and Israel encourage resistance in the name of freedom, but civilians and protesters end up paying the price. Thousands are killed, thousands more are jailed, and the support that comes is too often bombs, fear, and destruction rather than protection. Then their bigotry is turned into yet another reason to ‘liberate’ them from the brutal regime. That is not peacekeeping. It is power dressed up as morality.