13 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

Terminology aside, the outcome is the same. We can already see the Gazan people walking the path towards health and happiness 😉

Those people will be able to say they came from broken homes for sure.

Just now, dinsdale said:

Sadly the "orange man bad" mob don't care about this. Nothing else matters. TRUMP BAD. That's it.

That's quite the insightful point of view you have there... But what about the subject that you brought up earlier and my assertion that Israel is far worse.. Don't let you emotions blind you to reality. Look at what is actually happening, rather than just swallowing the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wasn't the primary goal. The primary goal still hasn't been achieved either. NO NUKES. I have a question for you. Will you answer. Should The Islamic Republic of Iran be allowed to develop nuclear weapons? Bit of a Yes/No question really. My answer is obviously NO!!!!!

Totally stupid question !! You have No evidence that Iran was making a nuke!!! if it was it was more than 2yrs away why has NK got nukes ??? why did trump not stop them because it does not have Oil !!!

20 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

"Not yet as far as regime change but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen."

Uh, okay...so, goal not achieved, but who knows, maybe it'll happen sometime in the future. Go it!

"Their military, military defence and attack capabilities have been hit very hard as has their capacity to restock and the economy is taking a huge hit."

They've certainly taken hits, but according to US intelligence estimates, in areas like missiles, missile launchers, drones and drone manufacturing Iran still has between 40-70% of prewar stock left, so mission not accomplished.

"I guess achievement depends on how it's defined within a context."

This sounds incredibly wishy-washy, like alternative facts or Trump math.

"You say poorly planned and badly executed. What do you base this on."

1. The goals of the war have not been achieved.

2. The SOH is now controlled by Iran.

3. The US went into this war with no contingency plan for the above scenario.

4. American soldiers have died, and bases, as well as other valuable military assets, have been destroyed because the US military underestimated Iran, leaving personnel and hardware exposed to attacks from drones and missiles.

5. The US military did not consult the world's foremost experts on drone warfare (the Ukranians) before starting the war, despite knowing full well that Iran has produced massive amounts of drones for decades.

"They took out the top two tiers of leaders within a week or two, (no. 1 leader on day one along with many other high level players)..."

And exactly what has this achieved, except for exchanging one old and sickly Supreme Leader Khamenei with a 20 years younger Supreme Leader Khamenei, a leader you killed the wife, daughter and parents of?

If your going to quote things you really should source it.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wasn't the primary goal. The primary goal still hasn't been achieved either. NO NUKES. I have a question for you. Will you answer. Should The Islamic Republic of Iran be allowed to develop nuclear weapons? Bit of a Yes/No question really. My answer is obviously NO!!!!!

"The primary goal still hasn't been achieved either. NO NUKES."

What are you on about? Don't you know that the Iranian nuclear program was obliterated in June of last year??

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If your going to quote things you really should source it.

And so should YOU you just post Assumptions NO FACTS

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

If your going to quote things you really should source it.

That's your comeback?

Might as well have written "okay, you've got me!"🤣

Since you're unable to use the search function:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5889060-iran-war-toll-us-aircraft/

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2026/05/19/us-intelligence-says-iran-retains-major-missile-capabilities-report

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/iran-rebuilds-drone-production-faster-than-expected-threat-to-us-allies-still-looms-report-1.500549392

59 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You have to be joking. Are you saying I have to prove that the Islamic, fundamentalist, terrorist regime in Iran hasn't been involved in global terrorist attacks? What universe do you live in? I'd love to see an AI response to "has the Iranian regime been involved in global terror attacks" or some such search. Why don't you search the answer and post it instead of you usual response that being evidence, source, proof etc.

It depends how you define "global". If you mean in Western countries, most terrorist attacks have been made by Suni terrorists, brainwashed in Salafi mosques (mosques usually financed by Saudi Arabia).

36 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

...and the seven million displaced? An inconvenient truth?

Of course, you really are the worst and most disgusting Troll on this forum.

As opposed to the heirs of Shicklgruber? 555555555.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

As opposed to the heirs of Shicklgruber? 555555555.

The international left are supporting ,sympathizing with regimes that kill their own people by the thousands similar to of all authoritarian regimes in history, but some how you're the baddie

Edited May 22May 22 by riclag

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

As opposed to the heirs of Shicklgruber? 555555555.

I love your impression of an insane character...Do it again!

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The international left are supporting ,sympathizing with regimes that kill their own people by the thousands similar to of all authoritarian regimes in history, but some how the badie

Instead we should side with regimes that kill other people by the hundreds of thousands?

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

That's quite the insightful point of view you have there... But what about the subject that you brought up earlier and my assertion that Israel is far worse.. Don't let you emotions blind you to reality. Look at what is actually happening, rather than just swallowing the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

As I said, and as you have deflected from, sure Israel has questions to answer but the fundamentalists in Iran are worse. If you think Israel is worse then just say it. Choices: The Islamic Republic of Iran is worse or Israel is worse. Put your blls on the line and answer one or the other. The Islamic Republic of Iran is worse or Israel is worse. I've posited this question before but none of you Trump Bad members will answer. It's pretty simple and it's either one or the other as it's a comparative question. I like some others on here who haven't been consumed by ... would say Iran.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I love your impression of an insane character...Do it again!

There ya go. Taking care of my light work.

9 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

That's your comeback?

Might as well have written "okay, you've got me!"🤣

Since you're unable to use the search function:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5889060-iran-war-toll-us-aircraft/

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2026/05/19/us-intelligence-says-iran-retains-major-missile-capabilities-report

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/iran-rebuilds-drone-production-faster-than-expected-threat-to-us-allies-still-looms-report-1.500549392

All good non-biased sources I see but yes, when your quoting you need to source. University 101.

15 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

And so should YOU you just post Assumptions NO FACTS

Please share my assumptions. As for facts what's the point. For the woke left facts don't matter e.g. one of your possible presidential candidates said the American Civil War was a war against the billionaires. Facts? History? Never mind. My guess is it was politics. Maybe not smart politics but politics otherwise she's a

complete moron. Daja vu.

Edited May 22May 22 by dinsdale

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I said, and as you have deflected from, sure Israel has questions to answer but the fundamentalists in Iran are worse. If you think Israel is worse then just say it. Choices: The Islamic Republic of Iran is worse or Israel is worse. Put your blls on the line and answer one or the other. The Islamic Republic of Iran is worse or Israel is worse. I've posited this question before but none of you Trump Bad members will answer. It's pretty simple and it's either one or the other as it's a comparative question. I like some others on here who haven't been consumed by ... would say Iran.

I already said it and provided figures as proof. No deflection on my part. A direct answer and figures provided. Now show me yours.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

There ya go. Taking care of my light work.

Still insane, but no edge. Try harder.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Still insane, but no edge. Try harder.

Dont need to. Im an American and my side is winning while yours is slowly but surely tossed down in to the pits where such ideology belongs. Keep screeching.

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I already said it and provided figures as proof. No deflection on my part. A direct answer and figures provided. Now show me yours.

Figures about casualties were provided by Hamas and used by Democrats/MSM as factual. Is this proof? As I've said before how many were Hamas that were killed and how many civilians were killed because Hamas used human shields. Figures are figures and it all depends on who's making those figures. If I remember correctly the figures from Covid-19 related deaths in China were very low. Did you believe that too?

11 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I already said it and provided figures as proof. No deflection on my part. A direct answer and figures provided. Now show me yours.

Nope. That's not an answer. Question is which side is worse. The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. No figures needed, no quotes just your opinion. Again simple to answer if you're being truthful. Odd that I haven't got a straight forward answer to a straight forward question.

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont need to. Im an American and my side is winning while yours is slowly but surely tossed down in to the pits where such ideology belongs. Keep screeching.

I said a few months back the mid terms were going to be closer than what was being said. Now that the unconstitutional districting on the basis of race has gone it's going to be even closer. Dare I say it might be a big surprise just like in 2016 and 2024.

34 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Please share my assumptions. As for facts what's the point. For the woke left facts don't matter e.g. one of your possible presidential candidates said the American Civil War was a war against the billionaires. Facts? History? Never mind. My guess is it was politics. Maybe not smart politics but politics otherwise she's a

complete moron. Daja vu.

Think you might be having an episode!! you are just rambling now !!

40 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont need to. Im an American and my side is winning while yours is slowly but surely tossed down in to the pits where such ideology belongs. Keep screeching.

You don't seem to be winning to me. Iran and China have humiliated you on the world stage. Israel has done for Trump. Made him a laughing stock. Israel now a pariah nation. If that is 'winning' to you, you are welcome to it. The rest of us are under no allusions nor delusions, unlike your not so good self.

8 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Think you might be having an episode!! you are just rambling now !!

Nope. Just waiting for someone to answer a simple question. Whose worse. The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. Still no answer from those who did, or would have, voted for the cackling idiot Harris. No point asking those on here who have held on to their common sense/rational thought and critical thinking skills. The Islamic Republic of Iran would be the answer.

33 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Nope. That's not an answer. Question is which side is worse. The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. No figures needed, no quotes just your opinion. Again simple to answer if you're being truthful. Odd that I haven't got a straight forward answer to a straight forward question.

Two thumbs down so far for asking a question, a question which has yet to be answered by the Trump suffers.

31 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Nope. That's not an answer. Question is which side is worse. The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. No figures needed, no quotes just your opinion. Again simple to answer if you're being truthful. Odd that I haven't got a straight forward answer to a straight forward question.

Are you okay? I gave you an honest answer. Unequivocally. Israel by far.

Does my opinion have to match with your opinion for you to accept it's validity?

You obviously don't have the ability to present a cogent argument. Now I feel bad that I was trying to hold a debate with someone who may be 'challenged' in some way.

Please show some sign that you're okay.

Israel have killed and displaced far more people than Iran ever did. Remember, even in the Iran-Iraq War, who was fighting against the Iranians? It wasn't just the Iraqis.

Growing up, I would hear about Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. To subdue them and force them to stop protesting. They somehow managed to convince some they were the victims of the Palestinians.

Didn't hear much about Iran. Israel has been a problem ever since. Iran has always been about the oil... and now, the Strait of Hormuz.

Edited May 22May 22 by IsmeUno

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Nope. Just waiting for someone to answer a simple question. Whose worse. The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. Still no answer from those who did, or would have, voted for the cackling idiot Harris. No point asking those on here who have held on to their common sense/rational thought and critical thinking skills. The Islamic Republic of Iran would be the answer.

Sorry to say but there is No rational answer to your question who is worse The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. they both are !! how far do you have to go back!! they both have committed acts of terror through out history so the answer should be both !!

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Sorry to say but there is No rational answer to your question who is worse The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. they both are !! how far do you have to go back!! they both have committed acts of terror through out history so the answer should be both !!

Actually I disagree on that point. Westerners have been meddling in Iran for some time. In fact some might argue that they brought about the Islamic Republic through that meddling. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know everything about everything, but on the surface of it, I've seen and read far more Israeli terrorism than connected to Iran. You have to think about why Iran do what they do. It's somewhat simplistic to assume they are simply evil. I prefer to not cloud my mind by taking sides, preferring to just go on what I think I know. It's not about hating anyone. It's more about not lying to myself.

11 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Sorry to say but there is No rational answer to your question who is worse The Islamic Republic of Iran or Israel. they both are !! how far do you have to go back!! they both have committed acts of terror through out history so the answer should be both !!

Does Israel fund, arm and support proxy terrorist groups? No. Do tens of thousands get shot dead in Israel for protesting against the government? No. Do the Mullahs fund, arm and support proxy terrorist groups? Yes. Do tens of thousands get shot dead in Iran for protesting against the government? Yes. Ok. Iran good because Trump bad. Brilliant.