32 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No they did not.

Judge William Mousley KC said the pathologist had said that "no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein".

"In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment," the judge added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv2ddgpn8qo

If you have evidence contrary to that of the pathologist given under oath then please share it.

IF he had been saveable their boneheaded approach wouldn't have helped would it.

Henry NowakL "I've been stabbed!"
Police "I don't think u have mate"

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it?

33 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The Police recorded the conversation and got it translated

Better late than never I suppose.

"I know people might think we're a bit racist but, to be fair, I think we should get it translated as the lad does look as if he's been stabbed to death - cos of those holes - and our Seikh friend does have a bit sword on him doesn't he. Yeah,I think we probably should get someone to translate just in case."

Back OT - this narrative is probably BS or put out there by the authorities who want to get control of or ban social media so they can get back to their cosey old system of feeding up crap via the BBC.

Why's the silly cow in hiding - are we meant to believe an outraged white man is going to kill her with a sword?
Load of horse ****

Edited June 5Jun 5 by Tourist2

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where has this happened in this tragic murder case?

So a different doctor says the police murdered him.

“If the police had not touched him, had let him sit leaning against the wall and called an ambulance, then in my opinion Henry Nowak would have survived (...) He would have been saved in the hospital," stated Dr Krzysztof Magier, a Polish specialist doctor working in a British hospital.

Following this statement, a Coroner has ordered an investigation into whether the police officers’ actions “caused or contributed” to the death of Henry Nowak.

Dr Magier appeals to calm down, stop speculations and wait for the coroner’s court verdict. "

https://www.britishpoles.uk/dr-magier-theres-a-high-probability-that-the-police-intervention-contributed-to-henry-nowaks-death/

"Therefore, when the police arrived some time after his injury (5-10 min?), Henry was conscious—more than that, he was able to speak. Quite loudly, as can be heard on the footage. When they arrived, he wasn’t a dying man.

After twisting his arms behind his back, it’s most likely that the vein behind the collarbone was stretched, the clot torn, blood poured out, and within 3 minutes Henry lost consciousness and died. A person with an injury and potential internal wounds should never be yanked or have their position changed abruptly for exactly this reason."

Edited June 6Jun 6 by BritManToo

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So a different doctor says the police murdered him.

“If the police had not touched him, had let him sit leaning against the wall and called an ambulance, then in my opinion Henry Nowak would have survived (...) He would have been saved in the hospital," stated Dr Krzysztof Magier, a Polish specialist doctor working in a British hospital.

Following this statement, a Coroner has ordered an investigation into whether the police officers’ actions “caused or contributed” to the death of Henry Nowak.

Dr Magier appeals to calm down, stop speculations and wait for the coroner’s court verdict. "

https://www.britishpoles.uk/dr-magier-theres-a-high-probability-that-the-police-intervention-contributed-to-henry-nowaks-death/

Dr Magier is, like all of us, entitled to his own opinion, he doesn’t get to invent his own facts.

The pathologist examined the actual injuries in the victim and gave his testimony under oath in court.

Henry Nowak was murdered by Vickrum Digwa.

13 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

I doubt it. Its a HSE investigation, similar to the Stockwell Station Incident of 22/7/2005.

The officers did not injure the man, but they failed in their Duty of Care. The Pathologist already told the court that "no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein". The Judge added "In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment". This is well publicised. You must really hate the police so much to lie like that, and accuse them of causing the death of Nowak. What did they arrest you for, to be so vitriolic?

Got <deleted> all to do with the Floyd case, no matter how much you hate the police. In that incident, the actions of the officers directly lead to Floyd's death. It was not because they failed to notice an injury cause by a third party. The American police, in that case, were the cause of the injury.

One doctor comes out and says the police dragging Novak around killed him.

https://www.britishpoles.uk/dr-magier-theres-a-high-probability-that-the-police-intervention-contributed-to-henry-nowaks-death/

"Therefore, when the police arrived some time after his injury (5-10 min?), Henry was conscious—more than that, he was able to speak. Quite loudly, as can be heard on the footage. When they arrived, he wasn’t a dying man.

After twisting his arms behind his back, it’s most likely that the vein behind the collarbone was stretched, the clot torn, blood poured out, and within 3 minutes Henry lost consciousness and died. A person with an injury and potential internal wounds should never be yanked or have their position changed abruptly for exactly this reason."

Edited June 6Jun 6 by BritManToo

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Dr Magier is, like all of us, entitled to his own opinion, he doesn’t get to invent his own facts.

The pathologist examined the actual injuries in the victim and gave his testimony under oath in court.

Henry Nowak was murdered by Vickrum Digwa.

The crown's pet doctor will say what he was told to say.

Now that's been questioned they are having another look, but we all know it will be a whitewash.

When I first watched the video I thought, no blood to be seen, which is why the cops questioned whether he had been stabbed.

The blood was flowing into his lungs, hence he could not breathe.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

The crown's pet doctor will say what he was told to say.

Now that's been questioned they are having another look, but we all know it will be a whitewash.

So off you go with one of your conspiracy theories.

This one has got ‘they’ in it.

You’re halfway down your rabbit hole with no end in sight.

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Chomper Higgot

On 6/5/2026 at 1:09 AM, BritManToo said:

UK Police are never innocent, they're either corrupt or covering up the corruption of their workmates.

Covering up murder or rape gangs is about as bad as they get.

But you don't seem to have a problem with that.

Sounds hot, glad your society is imploding. You were an empire? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

15 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Need a reminder of how racist Thais can be?

I don't think they go around stabbing whites that often.

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Dr Magier is, like all of us, entitled to his own opinion, he doesn’t get to invent his own facts.

The pathologist examined the actual injuries in the victim and gave his testimony under oath in court.

Henry Nowak was murdered by Vickrum Digwa.

He was indeed murdered by Vickrum Digwa. As you say, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine is that his mother, father and brother should all have the book thrown at them as accomplices.

The mother hid the knife, which suggests at least she knew it had been used to commit a crime. She is to be sentenced on 17 July having now been convicted of assisting an offender.

Since it appears the family members knew Nowak had been stabbed, then the fact is that they stood around doing nothing to help him prior to the police arriving, and then deliberately did not tell the police that Nowak had been stabbed.

In my opinion their callous indifference was worse than the actions of the police officers on scene.

1 hour ago, BKKBike09 said:

He was indeed murdered by Vickrum Digwa. As you say, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine is that his mother, father and brother should all have the book thrown at them as accomplices.

The mother hid the knife, which suggests at least she knew it had been used to commit a crime. She is to be sentenced on 17 July having now been convicted of assisting an offender.

Since it appears the family members knew Nowak had been stabbed, then the fact is that they stood around doing nothing to help him prior to the police arriving, and then deliberately did not tell the police that Nowak had been stabbed.

In my opinion their callous indifference was worse than the actions of the police officers on scene.

I agree,

Not just callous actions but deliberate actions.

The killer‘s family absolutely should face prosecution, at the very least for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

5 hours ago, Purdey said:

I don't think [Thais] go around stabbing whites that often.

Wouldn't assume it's uncommon though - or killing old whites esp for money.
Investigating that stuff is bad for business and whites ARE considered and largely treated as outsiders

despite what other members would like to think and claim.
Balcony falls? Hmmmm.

Racism is alive and thriving in 99% of the world but many brainwashed whites are so far gone they can't see it, let alone embrace it or even support their own team above others.

'Suicidal empathy' indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-MfoxpcMCc

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Tourist2

5 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

they stood around doing nothing to help him prior to the police arriving, and then deliberately did not tell the police that Nowak had been stabbed.

Empathy towards other races is largely restricted to whites.
Also widespread love of animals.
Arguably empathy in general.
Being able to put yourself in another's shoes mentally requires intelligence and that's one of the main differences which are hardwired by race and coded by culture.

Is that why whites often make excuses for foreigners and the police give them special treatment?
Do u guys see them as pets?
Assume they're too dumb to do right?

6 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

Sounds hot, glad your society is imploding. You were an empire? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all

Post in mixed upper and lower case, making it difficult to read removed. @Tourist2

the cops contributed to his death ,clearly manslauhgter

2 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

the cops contributed to his death ,clearly manslauhgter

Clearly not, unless you are valuing the medical opinion of a general paediatrician over a Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists.

You are valuing an opinion of a doctor, who, by admission, only knows about stab wounds through a one day Armed Forces course and a course in trauma treatment, over a eminent Pathologist, who has given evidence in court, on countless occasions, on violent deaths. He doesn't practice in intensive care, he practices in general care, and a doctor who is now back pedalling, appealing for calm and a decision by the Coroner. You instinctually value that opinion because you are a cop hater, which makes you, in my book, an anarchist. Probably one of those anti-vaxxer loons from well before COVID, who is very selective which medical expert he believes, based on own prejudices. I believe in the Blue. You do not.

9 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

Sounds hot, glad your society is imploding. You were an empire? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm assuming he or she is an old lag, done a stretch somewhere, the Scrubs, Parkhurst, Holloway, hence the enmity towards the police.

On 6/5/2026 at 7:45 AM, Roadsternut said:

I doubt it. Its a HSE investigation, similar to the Stockwell Station Incident of 22/7/2005.

The officers did not injure the man, but they failed in their Duty of Care. The Pathologist already told the court that "no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein". The Judge added "In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment". This is well publicised. You must really hate the police so much to lie like that, and accuse them of causing the death of Nowak. What did they arrest you for, to be so vitriolic?

Got <deleted> all to do with the Floyd case, no matter how much you hate the police. In that incident, the actions of the officers directly lead to Floyd's death. It was not because they failed to notice an injury cause by a third party. The American police, in that case, were the cause of the injury.

Sorry but in the George Floyd’s case all expert witnesses have mentioned that- Floyd had heart disease and full of Fentanyl.

The cause of the death should have been classified as “undetermined” (Forensic pathologist Dr.David Fowler).

cbc.ca/news/world/derek-chauvin-trial-david-fowler-1.5986892

On 6/5/2026 at 7:45 AM, Roadsternut said:

I doubt it. Its a HSE investigation, similar to the Stockwell Station Incident of 22/7/2005.

The officers did not injure the man, but they failed in their Duty of Care. The Pathologist already told the court that "no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein". The Judge added "In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment". This is well publicised. You must really hate the police so much to lie like that, and accuse them of causing the death of Nowak. What did they arrest you for, to be so vitriolic?

Got <deleted> all to do with the Floyd case, no matter how much you hate the police. In that incident, the actions of the officers directly lead to Floyd's death. It was not because they failed to notice an injury cause by a third party. The American police, in that case, were the cause of the injury.

Sorry but in the George Floyd’s case all expert witnesses have mentioned that- Floyd had heart disease and full of Fentanyl.

The cause of the death should have been classified as “undetermined” (Forensic pathologist Dr.David Fowler).

cbc.ca/news/world/derek-chauvin-trial-david-fowler-1.5986892

20 hours ago, wil iam not said:

When I first watched the video I thought, no blood to be seen, which is why the cops questioned whether he had been stabbed.

The blood was flowing into his lungs, hence he could not breathe.

… and the cops put handcuffs on the boy taking right away the side of the murderer with a large blade. The blade should have been seized by the police and place in a plastic bag before anybody could remove all traces of DNA. Instead they drove the murderer to his home…and the murderer’s mother got the weapon in her hands with more DNA on it????

What kind of police work is it?

6 minutes ago, Nid-Noi said:

Sorry but in the George Floyd’s case all expert witnesses have mentioned that- Floyd had heart disease and full of Fentanyl.

The cause of the death should have been classified as “undetermined” (Forensic pathologist Dr.David Fowler).

cbc.ca/news/world/derek-chauvin-trial-david-fowler-1.5986892

You say that as if it was established fact (that Floyd died because of fentanyl and heart disease). Its an opinion. The Medical Examiner ruled his death a homicide. The ME acknowledged those conditions. Dr Fowler, a South African immigrant, was a witness for the defence, and was expressing his opinion, rather than medical determinations. He was not part of the autopsy. Under examination, he admitted that even someone deprived of oxygen ultimately dies of an arrhythmia. He also conceded that Floyd should have received immediate medical attention when he went into cardiac arrest. Ultimately, the jury rejected Fowler's arguments, and Chauvin was convicted of murder and manslaughter.

His statements during the trial drew ire from fellow medical professionals. He was a retired ME from Maryland. As a result of his statements, where he has been accused of malpractice, reviews were carried out into various deaths in police custody, where he brought forth similar "undetermined" causes of death.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/autopsies-of-100-marylanders-who-died-in-police-custody-under-review-after-former-medical-examiner-testified-in-george-floyd-case/

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-medical-examiner-david-fowler/

https://therealnews.com/fowler-medical-examiner-botched-cases-that-still-haunt-us

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/autopsies-misclassified-deaths-in-police-custody-that-were-homicides-maryland-officials-say/3915122/

He may well face prosecution. There would be limited point in censure, given he is retired, and likely has let his licence expire. However, it might affect whether he is called as an Expert Witness.

I was once called as an Expert Witness for both the Prosecution and the Defence in a UK case. It was interesting. For the prosecution, I was supposed to provide an alternate opinion to the Crown about the ability to make a noxious substance. For the Defence I was asked to describe how such an effort would lead to a contaminated noxious substance, affecting overall toxicity, and that production of a noxious substance was purely by accident. In the end, the defendant copped a plea, and I breathed a sigh of relief.

14 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Wouldn't assume it's uncommon though - or killing old whites esp for money.
Investigating that stuff is bad for business and whites ARE considered and largely treated as outsiders

despite what other members would like to think and claim.
Balcony falls? Hmmmm.

Racism is alive and thriving in 99% of the world but many brainwashed whites are so far gone they can't see it, let alone embrace it or even support their own team above others.

'Suicidal empathy' indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-MfoxpcMCc

I do accept you are something of an expert on the subject of ‘brainwashed whites’.

13 minutes ago, Nid-Noi said:

… and the cops put handcuffs on the boy taking right away the side of the murderer with a large blade. The blade should have been seized by the police and place in a plastic bag before anybody could remove all traces of DNA. Instead they drove the murderer to his home…and the murderer’s mother got the weapon in her hands with more DNA on it????

What kind of police work is it?

Unlike the movies, it is incredibly difficult to remove all DNA. During OJ's trial, contamination was an issue, less so these days.

I would say its almost impossible to "remove all traces of DNA", unless you had access to certain specific reagents which are not commonly available, and you possessed an expert knowledge of molecular forensics.

13 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Empathy towards other races is largely restricted to whites.
Also widespread love of animals.
Arguably empathy in general.
Being able to put yourself in another's shoes mentally requires intelligence and that's one of the main differences which are hardwired by race and coded by culture.

Is that why whites often make excuses for foreigners and the police give them special treatment?
Do u guys see them as pets?
Assume they're too dumb to do right?

Smack bang in the middle of your post you expose the root cause of the bile you yourself vomit on this forum:

13 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Being able to put yourself in another's shoes mentally requires intelligence and that's one of the main differences which are hardwired by race and coded by culture.

37 minutes ago, Nid-Noi said:

Sorry but in the George Floyd’s case all expert witnesses have mentioned that- Floyd had heart disease and full of Fentanyl.

The cause of the death should have been classified as “undetermined” (Forensic pathologist Dr.David Fowler).

cbc.ca/news/world/derek-chauvin-trial-david-fowler-1.5986892

Well… and then there was video evidence.

26 minutes ago, Nid-Noi said:

… and the cops put handcuffs on the boy taking right away the side of the murderer with a large blade. The blade should have been seized by the police and place in a plastic bag before anybody could remove all traces of DNA. Instead they drove the murderer to his home…and the murderer’s mother got the weapon in her hands with more DNA on it????

What kind of police work is it?

It is indisputably shoddy police work.

British police have over earned their aptronym ‘Plod’.