According to a recently-published piece in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

[A] cohort study including 1,039,659 participants from the US Department of Veterans Affairs found that the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine was associated with a lower risk of COVID-19–associated MACE, with more prominent risk reductions among those 75 years or older and those with comorbidities. Secondary analyses of all-cause MACE showed substantially larger absolute risk reductions.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2850241

It goes on to say:

Receipt of the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine was associated with reduced COVID-19–associated cardiovascular risk; evidence of vaccine effectiveness against the broader outcome (all-cause MACE) likely reflects the hidden burden of undetected SARS-CoV-2 and associated complications that are amenable to reduction by COVID-19 vaccination.

21 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Receipt of the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine was associated with reduced COVID-19–associated cardiovascular risk;

Pull the other one its got bells on 🤣

26 minutes ago, johng said:

Pull the other one its got bells on 🤣

Did you read the piece? If not, then you have no basis on which to critique it. If you did, then please point out which parts of its findings or conclusions are scientifically flawed.

Edited June 16Jun 16 by GroveHillWanderer

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Did you read the piece? If not, then you have no basis on which to critique it. If you did, then please point out which parts of its findings or conclusions are scientifically flawed.

Cant fix stupid.
ALL poeple who still value covid shots should be given them though as many and as often as they want.

It is possible. I trust science more than some sweaty 50-year-old expat who rolled into Thailand as a virgin, now waddling around preaching COVID vaccine sermons while his next gourmet meal is recycled street slop in the toxic fart cloud that is Chiang Mai.

15 minutes ago, Celsius said:

It is possible. I trust science more than some sweaty 50-year-old expat who rolled into Thailand as a virgin, now waddling around preaching COVID vaccine sermons while his next gourmet meal is recycled street slop in the toxic fart cloud that is Chiang Mai.

That's where you are going wrong and how the Covid episode turned into what it did. You shouldn't be trusting either 50 year old expats or the science, you should be questioning both.

5 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Receipt of the 2024-2025 COVID-19 vaccine was associated with reduced COVID-19–associated cardiovascular risk; evidence of vaccine effectiveness against the broader outcome (all-cause MACE) likely reflects the hidden burden of undetected SARS-CoV-2 and associated complications that are amenable to reduction by COVID-19 vaccination.

Phew! One can rest easy then…

11 minutes ago, Conno said:

That's where you are going wrong and how the Covid episode turned into what it did. You shouldn't be trusting either 50 year old expats or the science, you should be questioning both.

Very true.

People assume 'The' Science is a thing but science is a process - a journey not a destination.
Years ago 'tHe sCieNce' was also Thalidomide, blood letiing, lobotomies, MNRI 'vaccines' and other nonsense.

Taking meds without any long term safety record is for fools and retards.
Even if they repeat 'safe and effective' infinity times it doesn't necessarily make it so.

12 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Very true.

People assume 'The' Science is a thing but science is a process - a journey not a destination.
Years ago 'tHe sCieNce' was also Thalidomide, blood letiing, lobotomies, MNRI 'vaccines' and other nonsense.

Taking meds without any long term safety record is for fools and retards.
Even if they repeat 'safe and effective' infinity times it doesn't necessarily make it so.

The Science™ is not science.

What a load of old nonsense.

The authors of the original article have obviously not been reading my posts down the years. If they had, they would not be as foolish to post anti-nature junk like this.

The mighty oak tree was once a tiny acorn that stood its ground.

@GroveHillWanderer Once again, you did fall for the LIES hook, line and sinker.

This is what Alex Berenson - former NY Times investigative journalist - has to say about that article you - and the Washington Post - are touting.

No 'scientific' cherry-picked mumbo-jumbo, but the facts and conclusions in writing that anybody with half a brain can understand.

= = =

Source: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-legacy-media-cant-quit-you-mrna

And here a couple of excerpts from that short article:

# I am so tired of having to fact-check legacy media lies about the mRNA shots.

But they won’t stop, so I can’t.

On Monday, scientists released a paper [the one you are touting] claiming Covid booster jabs might reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes by 7 percent. The findings come from observational real-world data, not a randomized clinical trial. In such studies, small risk differences must be viewed with extreme skepticism.

# Covid is just not very dangerous anymore. So even if Covid jabs do reduce Covid-associated heart attacks and strokes — which this study does not prove — they will do little to improve to overall health.

The paper says so explicitly, saying “the absolute risk differences were modest” and estimating that 5,000 booster shots would need to be given to prevent one Covid-associated cardiac event.

Of course, you will be unsurprised to hear the study says nothing — not one word — about potential side effects, either short- or long-term, of the shots.

# So here we are.

Five years after the first catastrophic failure of the mRNA jabs, legacy media outlets are still using falsehoods to push the shots on a population that neither wants nor needs them.

The only thing they’re reducing is their own credibility.

Is there a link between anti-vaccination beliefs and conspiracy theories?

I posed this question to ChatGPT.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11606073/

Believing conspiracy narratives is frequently assumed to be a major cause of vaccine hesitancy, i.e., the tendency to forgo vaccination despite its availability. In this scoping review, we synthesise and critically evaluate studies that assess i) the occurrence of vaccine-related conspiracy narratives on the internet, ii) the prevalence of belief in vaccine-related conspiracy narratives, iii) the relationship between belief in conspiracy narratives and vaccination intention or vaccination uptake, and iv) interventions that reduce the impact of conspiracy narratives on vaccination intention.

On 6/16/2026 at 7:56 PM, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to a recently-published piece in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2850241

It goes on to say:

SO you are suggesting we should get another shot because the JAMA shows a slight reduction in cardio events? Most that died of Covid were metabolically ruined and your answer is a shot? What might be the obvious better solution? Hint - look in the mirror after you get out of the shower :)

I'm tiring of people still needing pharmaceutical interventions when being healthy is the solution. The next major virus will be interesting. Lockdowns and mobile vaccine units providing shots at home for those that are too unhealthy to get to the hospital for a shot.

Occam's razor come to mind....

@GroveHillWanderer > And just like Alex Berenson (see my earlier response today) also prof dr Vinay PRASAD trashes the paper that you, the Washington Post and other (paid) vax-enthusiast media are touting in a desperate attempt to 'prove' the benefits of the COVID-shots.

Source: https://www.drvinayprasad.com/p/a-new-jama-im-paper-on-covid-shots

= = =

A new paper in JAMA IM claims that the 24-25 covid booster reduces cardiovascular events, but the Supplement contains data that invalidates the entire paper.

Of course, this is not a randomized trial. It is an observational study. So the first question you have to ask is: are the groups well matched— did the authors create two comparable groups whose only difference was COVID-19 vaccine receipt.

In the supplement it is clear they do not achieve adequate matching. All cause mortality curves separate by day 10. That is simply impossibly fast. The MACE separates by week 5, and the all cause death separates by week 2. The only explanation is that the no vaccine group is fundamentally different from the outset of the study. The healthy vaccinee effect. The paper failed to achieve a suitable control arm.

That’s all that needs to be said. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. The entire paper, and all included results, is flawed. Not only should it not be in the news, the paper should not be in print. It is hopelessly flawed.

NOTE: The article prof PRASAD wrote, contains the graphs illustrating the above.

Ever notice how the anti-vaxer brigade pulls out lunatic fringe web links whenever a scientific journal publishes new evidence on vaccine efficacy (of any kind)?

6 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Ever notice how the anti-vaxer brigade pulls out lunatic fringe web links whenever a scientific journal publishes new evidence on vaccine efficacy (of any kind)?

Yes I did notice that, ronnie50. Very astute.

On 6/16/2026 at 7:56 PM, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to a recently-published piece in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2850241

It goes on to say:

No worries.

I don't need the newer COVID vaccines.

I remain in quarantine.

But, this is interesting that COVID is still increasing morbidity/mortality rates, at least among the elderly, six years after it began.

7 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Ever notice how the anti-vaxer brigade pulls out lunatic fringe web links whenever a scientific journal publishes new evidence on vaccine efficacy (of any kind)?

I am 80 years old and have had 6 COVID shots and my yearly flu shot today, and I am fit as a fiddle.

16 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Once again, you did fall for the LIES hook, line and sinker.

Coof Nostalgia: '#792 False Alarm (The Wizardry Behind An Epidemic)' (A Livestream from April 3rd 2020 )

Posting this back then would have got u banned from 99% of platforms but, now the money has been made and the crooks have moved onto wars (Ukraine, Iran etc.), you are free to enjoy!

Includes tips on how to NOT get fooled again...

https://rumble.com/v26ll5k-receipts-breaking-the-covid-19vaccine-spell-as-it-happened-april-3rd-2020.html?e9s=src_v1_upp_v

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

I am 80 years old and have had 6 COVID shots and my yearly flu shot today, and I am fit as a fiddle.

Tick tock - Why keep pressing your luck?
https://www.dailymail.com/health/article-15906821/The-terrifying-number-patients-suffered-Covid-jab-complications-revealed-NHS-pharmacist-left-paralysed-vaccine-takes-life.html

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Edited June 18Jun 18 by Tourist2

2 hours ago, Airalee said:

Do they really think they’re going to convince us that the jab juice was safe and effective? I think they’re more concerned with convincing themselves.

That really is the funniest part. "Take that, antivaxxers, a study saying vaccines work!!"

20 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Tick tock - Why keep pressing your luck?

Sunk-cost fallacy.

Well what a surprise. Mr Trust the Science himself apparently lied. Question Everything, ALWAYS.

Press Releases 2026 | Office of the Director of National Intelligence

Edited June 19Jun 19 by Conno
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NOBODY should be eager to inject those poison juices into their bloodstream.

It's retarded, people.

If Fauci lied under oath related to the above, do the Covidians still believe he was telling the truth about the safe and effective. Still Kicking, you can have mine too. Count your lucky stars, you must have been born lucky, if not savvy.

I'll never forgive these people. My mentally handicapped sister died in 2021 of cancer. She died alone with only strangers in PPE around her. No family were permitted into the hospital ICU to see her on her last days due to the convid restrictions. Eternal damnation to these people.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by Conno

On 6/18/2026 at 11:20 PM, still kicking said:

I am 80 years old and have had 6 COVID shots and my yearly flu shot today, and I am fit as a fiddle.

Others - many other - not as fortunate as your good self Sir.

On 6/20/2026 at 1:12 AM, Conno said:

Well what a surprise. Mr Trust the Science himself apparently lied. Question Everything, ALWAYS.

Don't forget to seriously question the suitability of the current and former DNI's who produced said report.

Neither of then had any prior experience in the intelligence services. Sheesh!

But... they are obedient sycophants and cultists.

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On 6/18/2026 at 11:20 PM, still kicking said:

I am 80 years old and have had 6 COVID shots and my yearly flu shot today, and I am fit as a fiddle.

i can see that ........

On 6/19/2026 at 3:02 AM, Tourist2 said:

Tick tock - Why keep pressing your luck?
https://www.dailymail.com/health/article-15906821/The-terrifying-number-patients-suffered-Covid-jab-complications-revealed-NHS-pharmacist-left-paralysed-vaccine-takes-life.html

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Four years ago i tried to warn my German fit as a fiddle neighbor about the dangers of taking those shots. He assured me he was intelligent and knew exactly what he was doing.

A few days ago he told me why i haven't seen him out and about lately. Seems he suddenly got very serious myocarditis systems , with no previous heart issues at all .

Now requires 2 pills to take to survive .....

real life story !

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

Four years ago i tried to warn my German fit as a fiddle neighbor about the dangers of taking those shots. He assured me he was intelligent and knew exactly what he was doing.

A few days ago he told me why i haven't seen him out and about lately. Seems he suddenly got very serious myocarditis systems , with no previous heart issues at all .

Now requires 2 pills to take to survive .....

real life story !

My friends wife (approx 47) had a stroke at the gymn.
NHS had her join an online support group - told me they ALL said "I was OK until I had the jab"

The saying is "You can't fix stupid" but pfizer etc have helped eradicate it.

Sometimes have to wonder if they were the good guys all along.

Maybe not though...

Edited June 25Jun 25 by Tourist2