Now before anyone assumes this is intended as a wind up, it is a genuine philosophical study.

My suspicion has always been that most sexual deviance is not a product of nature. It is a product of civilisation.

Think about it.

In caveman times there were no churches, no morality police, no social media outrage mobs, no relationship coaches, no dating apps, no internet forums, no censoring, and no endless lists of things you should or should not be doing.

There were no complicated social rules surrounding sex. Nobody was writing opinion pieces about it. Nobody was monetising it.

Nobody was discussing whether a particular preference was problematic, empowering, toxic, healthy, unhealthy, violating, traditional, modern, or somewhere in between.

Sex was probably viewed in much the same way as eating, sleeping, pinching a loaf, or trying not to get eaten by a sabre toothed tiger.

Just another part of life.

Then civilisation arrived and things started getting interesting. Religions appeared. Taboos appeared. Rules appeared and the concepts of social and societal norms.

Suddenly there were all sorts of things you could not do, should not do, must not think about, and definitely should not be caught doing.

Human beings then did what human beings have always done when told not to think about something. They started thinking about it constantly.

Then along came prostitution, erotic literature, photography, films, magazines, video clips, hidden cameras, and eventually the internet, Pornhub, OnlyFans, and whatever fresh madness is currently being invented.

At that point humanity effectively dedicated a significant portion of its technological progress to finding increasingly creative ways of becoming distracted, or penetrated, depending on how you want to look at it.

Which raises an interesting question.

Did civilisation create sexual deviance?

Or did it simply give people enough free time to stop worrying about predators, famine, and dying at thirty five and start inventing increasingly imaginative hobbies?

Because when I look at modern society, I cannot help wondering whether the average caveman was actually far less obsessed with sex than the average modern human.

Mainly because he had more pressing concerns. Such as not being trampled by a woolly mammoth. Or becoming some beast’s dinner.

Both of which strike me as fairly effective libido management tools.

Edited June 18Jun 18 by Alpha84

I don't know, call me obsessed, but the only thing I can think about 24/7 is Boy George and Raquel Rodeo doing the nasty in a ladyboy mashup. The only thing I still can't work out is which of them is the one riding cowgirl. Or perhaps they just switch off?

I doubt he asked her whether she came.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I doubt he asked her whether she came.

Have they actually started doing that now? Interesting concept...

51 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Now before anyone assumes this is intended as a wind up, it is a genuine philosophical study.

My suspicion has always been that most sexual deviance is not a product of nature. It is a product of civilisation.

Think about it.

In caveman times there were no churches, no morality police, no social media outrage mobs, no relationship coaches, no dating apps, no internet forums, no censoring, and no endless lists of things you should or should not be doing.

There were no complicated social rules surrounding sex. Nobody was writing opinion pieces about it. Nobody was monetising it.

Nobody was discussing whether a particular preference was problematic, empowering, toxic, healthy, unhealthy, violating, traditional, modern, or somewhere in between.

Sex was probably viewed in much the same way as eating, sleeping, pinching a loaf, or trying not to get eaten by a sabre toothed tiger.

Just another part of life.

Then civilisation arrived and things started getting interesting. Religions appeared. Taboos appeared. Rules appeared and the concepts of social and societal norms.

Suddenly there were all sorts of things you could not do, should not do, must not think about, and definitely should not be caught doing.

Human beings then did what human beings have always done when told not to think about something. They started thinking about it constantly.

Then along came prostitution, erotic literature, photography, films, magazines, video clips, hidden cameras, and eventually the internet, Pornhub, OnlyFans, and whatever fresh madness is currently being invented.

At that point humanity effectively dedicated a significant portion of its technological progress to finding increasingly creative ways of becoming distracted, or penetrated, depending on how you want to look at it.

Which raises an interesting question.

Did civilisation create sexual deviance?

Or did it simply give people enough free time to stop worrying about predators, famine, and dying at thirty five and start inventing increasingly imaginative hobbies?

Because when I look at modern society, I cannot help wondering whether the average caveman was actually far less obsessed with sex than the average modern human.

Mainly because he had more pressing concerns. Such as not being trampled by a woolly mammoth. Or becoming some beast’s dinner.

Both of which strike me as fairly effective libido management tools.

Where to start with this delicate theme, Alpha? What are your kinks? We are dying to know now. 😁

The human brain has not changed that much in the last 300,000 years, and probably very little in the last 35,000 years. So why assume they had no rituals, no rules, no taboos, or no belief systems? They had ceremonies for the dead, and surely also ceremonies for seasons, hunting, birth, death, and many other things we can only imagine today.

We also have to assume they had morality in some form. Even animals have rules for behaviour. Cross the wrong line in the group, and you are pushed out.

When it comes to sex, exchange, protection, food, status, good genes, and access, we already see versions of this among primates. Homo sapiens depended even more on social structure for survival, so of course power and access were part of that too. Kinky sex sounds more like a luxury when basic survival is already handled. When food, protection, shelter, hygiene, and time are in place, humans have more room for experimenting. Some today even have dirty sex as a kink, so hygiene itself can also become part of the play.

That's a tough one. You often see foreign muppets lurking around Pattaya that look like cavemen and they appear to be in search of a woolly mammoth. So I wonder where that places them on the spectrum?

4 minutes ago, Gary The Git said:

That's a tough one. You often see foreign muppets lurking around Pattaya that look like cavemen and they appear to be in search of a woolly mammoth. So I wonder where that places them on the spectrum?

You said it, you did 😆

nobody wore under ware so they were exposed to early morning corns , and bleeding pussys in public.tampons were not invented yet.

hammers films had women like raquel welch ,with cute bikinis 1 million years bc

4 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

Now before anyone assumes this is intended as a wind up, it is a genuine philosophical study.

My suspicion has always been that most sexual deviance is not a product of nature. It is a product of civilisation.

I didn't bother to read anything beyond those two lines because you have not defined the subject. What is your definition of kinky or deviant sex?

4 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

it is a genuine philosophical study.

Sure it is, and you will be going to Pattaya, and join George in his studies, right?

Seems to me that there's at least one missing point:

• I'm guessing that during the cave man era and even just 300 years ago 99 to 100% of the population (M and F) knew nothing whatever about how babies are produced, nor how to take care of baby's.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

What is your definition of kinky or deviant sex?

No limits honey, only depends on the size of your wallet.

13 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Seems to me that there's at least one missing point:

• I'm guessing that during the cave man era and even just 300 years ago 99 to 100% of the population (M and F) knew nothing whatever about how babies are produced, nor how to take care of baby's.

But somehow we all got here. Presumably they figured it out. Maybe they found a copy of “The Birds and The Bees, Caveman Edition” lying around somewhere.

Actually, it’s an interesting question. Animals always instinctively knew what to do. Maybe at one time mankind was the same. Guided more by instinct (thousands of years ago) than knowledge nowadays.

Edited June 18Jun 18 by Alpha84

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Seems to me that there's at least one missing point:

• I'm guessing that during the cave man era and even just 300 years ago 99 to 100% of the population (M and F) knew nothing whatever about how babies are produced, nor how to take care of baby's.

i'm sure the mothers nurtured their young up to a certain age like any other mammals as for sex it would just be an instinctive thing like any other wild animals. The dominant male would take his pick of the fertile women throwing themselves at him and fight off rival males.

6 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

Mainly because he had more pressing concerns. Such as not being trampled by a woolly mammoth. Or becoming some beast’s dinner.

Both of which strike me as fairly effective libido management tools.

Well that's what one would expect , the same applies to the famine stricken wastelands of africa , the war torn nightmares of palestine and yemen, the desperate isis camps in syria and the filthy deprived council estates of the UK. non of them conducive to a particularly romantic atmosphere quite the opposite in fact but all of these places are full of screaming kids , which goes to show that no matter how bad things get , where ever you may be , there is always some psycho woman willing to get her knickers off, and no shortage of dirty b'stards willing to give her one,,

10 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

Did Cavemen Invent Kinky Sex?

There's one or two members here that were around back then.

Perhaps they could comment on this thread.

12 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

nobody wore under ware so they were exposed to early morning corns , and bleeding pussys in public.tampons were not invented yet.

hammers films had women like raquel welch ,with cute bikinis 1 million years bc

Yet, even at 1 million years B.C., as the cavemen scratched away at their walls, they took care to start sentences with capital letters, and avoid having their message look like a text message sent by a distracted teenager.

They did a documentary about that, starring Darryl Hannah. Clan of the Cave Bear.

At least I think it was a documentary. It was boring enough, aside from a minute or 2 of caveman on blonde action.

Edit: Before they invented toothpaste, they had to be creative.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by impulse

The condensed version might go something like this. What is kinky, what is deviant, and who set the rules and decided?

What’s the infatuation with what other people are doing in the privacy of their own bedrooms?

If it is consensual, between adults, who should care? Maybe people could just mind their own business.

you need a middle class at minimum to have the leisure and education to consider kinky sex.

The first references pop up in Pompeii whore houses with pictures of women holding whips.

Joe Blow caveman was probably pretty vanilla, but whoever was the first one to get the idea of sticking it in someone’s mouth, that guy deserves a monument.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by Prubangboy

What’s the infatuation with what other people are doing in the privacy of their own bedrooms?

Did cavemen have bedrooms? Because, in the documentary movie, they just did it in the cave with everyone looking on.

Presumptions with all this "there was no" — plenty of cave paintings points at that there was a rich cultural and social order with rituals even back then — might even be 'kinky sex' was considered bad for hunting and not accepted at all...

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

you need a middle class at minimum to have the leisure and education to consider kinky sex.

The first references pop up in Pompeii whore houses with pictures of women holding whips.

Joe Blow caveman was probably pretty vanilla, but whoever was the first one to get the idea of sticking it in someone’s mouth, that guy deserves a monument.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

you need a middle class at minimum to have the leisure and education to consider kinky sex.

The first references pop up in Pompeii whore houses with pictures of women holding whips.

Joe Blow caveman was probably pretty vanilla, but whoever was the first one to get the idea of sticking it in someone’s mouth, that guy deserves a monument.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

you need a middle class at minimum to have the leisure and education to consider kinky sex.

The first references pop up in Pompeii whore houses with pictures of women holding whips.

Joe Blow caveman was probably pretty vanilla, but whoever was the first one to get the idea of sticking it in someone’s mouth, that guy deserves a monument.

He does indeed deserve a monument or something erected in his memory?

I believe that masturbation, oral sex, and prostitution are practices as old as the world.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

Did cavemen have bedrooms? Because, in the documentary movie, they just did it in the cave with everyone looking on.

Maybe they had tents made of animal skins in French caves.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

Did cavemen have bedrooms? Because, in the documentary movie, they just did it in the cave with everyone looking on.

Voyeurism, a step in the right direction for kinky sex.

the difference between the greeks and the later roman empire is that the romans included woman in the orgies

On 6/18/2026 at 5:40 PM, BilllyGOAT said:

Have they actually started doing that now? Interesting concept...

Don't get it either..

Op have not answered what he consider as kinky!? Do most people today have kinky sex?

BJ is not kinky! Or oral sex is not kinky

On 6/18/2026 at 9:06 PM, Patong2021 said:

I didn't bother to read anything beyond those two lines because you have not defined the subject. What is your definition of kinky or deviant sex?

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Op have not answered what he consider as kinky!? Do most people today have kinky sex?

Most people have a pretty good idea of what is considered 'kinky' and what is not. Do you really need it spelled out for you, or are you being pedantic?