4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

People think Trump is a tyrant, but Elon Musk has the opposite view:

https://x.com/elonmusk

A US president can issue an Executive Order whether it is legal or not. It must be based on existing presidential powers; not create new ones. And if persons affected by the order deem it to be illegal, it can be challenged in federal court.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by JerryM

Whenever people don't have evidence against others or doesn't like their party, they call those others traitors.

Whenever people call for someone to be prosecuted, but they don't have hard evidence.

When people don't understand how politics works, they say there is a deep state manipulating things.

This is all called noise.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by Purdey

29 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Whenever people don't have evidence against others or doesn't like their party, they call those others traitors.

Whenever people call for someone to be prosecuted, but they don't have hard evidence.

When people don't understand how politics works, they say there is a deep state manipulating things.

This is all called noise.

How many US presidents have been assassinated?
But you keep convincing yourself that there are no competing factions behind the scenes who are not afraid to use guns -- when slander in the media doesn't work to take the other guy out.

On 6/24/2026 at 8:25 AM, save the frogs said:

Anyway, haven't watched this.

Could be hot air.

But retired General predicting JFK 2.0

ie there is a plot afoot to assassinate Trump .... by the deep state?

Ah, excuse me, he's a retired colonel, of which there are about a bazillion.

That means one can use the old saw about anal orifices and opinions: everybody has one.

19 hours ago, save the frogs said:

George Soros is considered "deep state".

But it's not just confined to one country.

According to this guy, he's causing problems in Hungary.

https://x.com/cb_doge/status/2070192419958628707

BREAKING: George Soros is the largest individual donor in the 2026 midterm election cycle with $102 million to Democrats. This is the same George Soros who: • Wants to end Western civilization. • Has spent billions creating a fake asylum-seeker nightmare that is destroying America and Europe. • Funded the bogus study in The Lancet. • Has organizations that have taken over Hungary. • Has organizations engaged in activities serious enough to warrant a RICO action. • Installs or uses puppets and stooges in key positions. • Has leveraged tens of billions of dollars of government funding, both domestically and abroad.

Has mastered the technique of using a relatively small amount of his own money to unlock massive amounts of taxpayer money. • Is a genius at arbitrage in both finance and politics and excels at turning small private funding into large-scale government funding. • Pays people to influence politics and narratives.

Since you insist on believing in a so-called "Deep State", let me add to the delusion.

I'm a card carrying member of the Deep State. That card allows me many privileges, such as shopping at Titanic Duty Free. I also get to commute to my office on the bathyscaphe Trieste. I'm so low, I have to look up to see down.

BTW, great uncle György, and my former boss, is 95 years old. His current title among us Deep Staters is more honorary than actual, as time has slowed him down a bit. Sure, he can still shape shift into a 10' green Lizard Person, but he only usually does that at great grandkids' birthday parties and bar mitzvahs.

Now you know. You can LINK to this post, as it will give fodder to others, who have never been within a parsec of the halls of power, needing an imaginary scapegoat for all the world's ills.

21 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

I actually saw Pultes homes up close in Texas. They are "custom" homes. You get to choose which "options" you want the illegal wetback crews Pulte pays to build for you. And if Mr Pulte doesn't want to pay for a Porta potty for the construction crew in order to "save money" where do you think the crew will take a <deleted> after that bean burrito last night with the hot sauce, mmmkay

you are a liar.

14 minutes ago, Wingate said:

I'm a card carrying member of the Deep State

obvious by your posts,,...claiming to be a cia secret agent and spewing conspiratorial hate

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

obvious by your posts,,...claiming to be a cia secret agent and spewing conspiratorial hate

Make sure you thank him for his service.

7 hours ago, Wingate said:

BTW, great uncle György, and my former boss, is 95 years old. His current title among us Deep Staters is more honorary than actual, as time has slowed him down a bit. Sure, he can still shape shift into a 10' green Lizard Person, but he only usually does that at great grandkids' birthday parties and bar mitzvahs.

You are mildly amusing, and silly, and highly uneducated.

Epstein is deep state.

He was a nobody (not a billionaire), but he was given hundreds of millions for that operation to lure powerful people into blackmail.

This guy theorizes that Epstein was a Mossad intelligence asset, part of an Israeli intelligence operation inside the US to control senators and congressmen and other powerful figures.

People think this is unfathomable, but you're not teenage girls. So best to start waking up to the reality that there are shadowy forces behind the scenes influencing politics.

21 hours ago, save the frogs said:

You are mildly amusing, and silly, and highly uneducated.

Epstein is deep state.

He was a nobody (not a billionaire), but he was given hundreds of millions for that operation to lure powerful people into blackmail.

This guy theorizes that Epstein was a Mossad intelligence asset, part of an Israeli intelligence operation inside the US to control senators and congressmen and other powerful figures.

People think this is unfathomable, but you're not teenage girls. So best to start waking up to the reality that there are shadowy forces behind the scenes influencing politics.

LOL ! Highly uneducated is a good one. Well, with that handicap out front, let me try to explain.

You are confused. I'll try to help, but admittedly, that's a fool's errand.

There is a huge difference between an intelligence asset and the fictitious entity people not in the know refer to as the Deep State. When people say Deep State, they are suggesting that there is some cabal of people---likely in government---who pull strings and control things behind the scenes. That is silly. Government employees, even in entities that have considerable power, like the intel community, tend to move around and take on new duties and responsibilities over time. They are not static.

The closest thing in reality that comes to anything remotely resembling a "Deep State" might be K Street lobbyists, or oligarchs like Musk, Bezos, Thiel, etc., who have both the President's ear as well as the funds to influence elections or policy. Musk put $250 million behind Trump 2024, and one could argue he influenced the outcome. Putin put a lot of money into Trump's 2016 election, even funding the campaign of Jill Stein (based on reading the effect of Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000). Hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin put $50 million into a State election in Illinois, and his chosen candidate won. There's a reason that policies favored by a majority of citizens are not ever implemented, even in a democracy, because money (contributions or outright graft) influence policy outcomes.

Epstein is an entirely different sort of creature. He was a recruited intelligence asset of a foreign power or two, if some rumors of his relationships are correct (Israel's Mossad and Russia's SVR/FSB). There have always been recruited foreign assets of intel services that either act as Epstein did (as a kind of heinous honey pot), or assets who simply report on the inner workings of the entity of which they have knowledge. Famous ones include Kim Philby, Donald McLean and Guy Burgess (KGB assets), Jonathan Pollard (Mossad asset), Robert Hansson, Aldrich Ames, Jim Nicholson, (GRU and FSB assets), Jerry Lee (Chinese MSS asset), and Edward Lee Howard (FSB asset after the CIA fired him). They are hardly a Deep State, but merely recruited clandestine assets, part of what is called The World's Second Oldest Profession (spying).

As an agency case officer, I both recruited and handled foreign clandestine assets. Ops officers generally target people who have access to information useful to their host government. Such assets might be government officials or members of a terrorist group. Sometimes the asset knows for whom he or she is working, but sometimes an ops officer uses a false identity, something especially useful---and dangerous---when trying to gain access to a terrorist group like al Qaeda or ISIS.

Sometimes as asset is used in a manner one might call covert action. If Epstein was, in fact, an asset of Israel's Mossad, his role was to get blackmail-able info on important and powerful people. He seems to have done his job well, exploiting the bad traits and tendencies of a wide range of people....though the DoJ still chooses to hide much of it.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by Wingate

15 minutes ago, Wingate said:

As an agency case officer, I both recruited and handled foreign clandestine assets.

what agency?

you worked for the CIA ?

On 6/24/2026 at 8:27 AM, JerryM said:

Why the Covid-19 documents Gabbard released don’t prove her claims about Fauci

PUBLISHED Jun 23, 2026, 11:49 AM ET

On her final day as director of national intelligence last week, Tulsi Gabbard released internal documents that she claimed prove a series of damning facts about Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Covid-19 pandemic.

They don’t. The documents fall far short of corroborating various Gabbard claims about Fauci.

Most notably: The documents do not come close to proving that “Fauci Funded Wuhan Lab Research That Sparked COVID,” though that’s the assertion Gabbard’s team made in the bolded headline it used on the director’s official website announcing the document release.

While the documents include some discussions within the intelligence community about the possible origins of Covid-19, they don’t provide any clear answers.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/23/politics/covid-19-gabbard-fauci-claims

NB It is the WHO opinion that neither the lab leak or the market theory for the Covid source has been directly proven.

Funny how we always need somebody to blame, eh. I think Dr. Fauci will go to his grave satisfied with his actions resulting from the scientific method.

What it comes down to is--Did you take the jab? If you did and you're still questioning, you're a hypocrite.

Bobby Jr's messing with the in-place, effective vaccine schedule is twittery-with-power at its finest. He'll be dead before American parents start losing their children to preventable disease.

I'm neither pro-vax or anti-vax. I just want to see results that benefit humans. The spin-off vaccines being created now give me great hope.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

what agency?

you worked for the CIA ?

Well, that's what actual spooks call it...the agency.

But please don't believe me. I'm as mendacious as our current messiah in the Oval Office. I'm just that guy who saddles up next to you in a bar and spills great tales of adventure and daring do. I mean, it isn't as if I went through CT training at the Farm, have a pseudo, went through Crash and Bang, stayed in the BoQs, was given my primary disguise by Tony Mendez' wife, was a 4 level Arabic speaker thrown into the heart of the Middle East against terrorists, can still shoot the wings off a fly, and eventually left in true name, so that I could at least put the agency on my resume. But I can put a challenge coin on the bar counter if anyone does that to me, saying he's former agency. (He is then required to buy me a beer.)

No, I'm just a pimply-faced virgin teen living in my Mom's basement in a 3br in Keokuk, Iowa, eating microwaved Chef Boyadee ravioli and binge watching Bond movies.

Troll post removed @Wingate discuss the topic and stop making accusations against other posters.

This is mind-blowing.

Congress hearings -- Manson murders are being blamed on CIA mind control experiments. Also, Jack Ruby.

No idea if Trump is behind this, but hopefully exposing the deep state CIA's evil machinations will put an and to their secret dark projects -- on taxpayer money.

Edited July 3Jul 3 by save the frogs

On 6/24/2026 at 6:19 PM, Yellowtail said:

I wonder how many leftists still believe that the biolab being ten blocks from the covid outbreak is a coincidence.

Gemini: : There are over 60 to 110+ BSL-3 and ABSL-3 (Animal BSL-3) facilities operating across the country.

Chinese Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) facilities, such as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, handle, isolate, and culture bat pathogens. These laboratories are equipped to study dangerous, airborne-transmissible viruses—including severe bat coronaviruses and Nipah virus—to better understand spillover risks and develop medical countermeasures.

NB So no matter where in China there could have been an animal released pathogen at a market, there could have been a BSL-3 pathogen lab nearby.

12 minutes ago, JerryM said:

Gemini: : There are over 60 to 110+ BSL-3 and ABSL-3 (Animal BSL-3) facilities operating across the country.

Chinese Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) facilities, such as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, handle, isolate, and culture bat pathogens. These laboratories are equipped to study dangerous, airborne-transmissible viruses—including severe bat coronaviruses and Nipah virus—to better understand spillover risks and develop medical countermeasures.

NB So no matter where in China there could have been an animal released pathogen at a market, there could have been a BSL-3 pathogen lab nearby.

so you are saying every10 blocks there is a biolab. got it. innocent coincidence

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

so you are saying every10 blocks there is a biolab. got it. innocent coincidence

per Danny Kaye (1955): Get it. Got it. Good

Edited July 12Jul 12 by JerryM

On 6/23/2026 at 5:17 PM, save the frogs said:

Bill Pulte was a businessman.

He was not a politician.

He is NOT a "creature of the swamp."

Was at one of his house builds the last 3 dats from 1996. His name was on a template in the cement buy the front door. Just another scammer! Fits well in the new swamp

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

so you are saying every10 blocks there is a biolab

26 January 2025

(john) Ratcliffe, who served as director of national intelligence during President Trump's first term, has long favoured the lab leak theory, claiming Covid most likely came from a leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The (Wuhan) institute is a 40-minute drive from the Huanan wet market where the first cluster of infections emerged.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o

George Soros is part of the Deep State.

But not Rupert Murdoch, whose ex-wife dated Vladimir Putin.

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣

Rupert Murdoch influenced politics using media power, manipulated narratives and candidates

Edited July 12Jul 12 by SiSePuede419
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2 hours ago, JerryM said:

Gemini: : There are over 60 to 110+ BSL-3 and ABSL-3 (Animal BSL-3) facilities operating across the country.

Chinese Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) facilities, such as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, handle, isolate, and culture bat pathogens. These laboratories are equipped to study dangerous, airborne-transmissible viruses—including severe bat coronaviruses and Nipah virus—to better understand spillover risks and develop medical countermeasures.

NB So no matter where in China there could have been an animal released pathogen at a market, there could have been a BSL-3 pathogen lab nearby.

All doing gain od function research?

60-110 labs in 9,600,000 km^2 is 1 lab per each 87,273 to 160,000 km^2, An area larger than South Carolina, but smaller than Wisconsin.

I am just going to leave it here: You presumed if you have a doubt between the Wuhan lab vs. market theory you must be a lefty.

And the main campus of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is located approximately 12 kilometers (about 7.5 miles) as the crow flies from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

Edited July 12Jul 12 by JerryM

On 6/24/2026 at 6:44 AM, dinsdale said:

So you favour the existence of the deep state or do you deny it's existence?

It certainly exists and nobody said anything about favoring its toxic existence. It controls whatever party is in power. So right now It is manipulating Trump on a daily basis, and he's like a marionette on puppet strings, doing their bidding every single day.

And he's probably the easiest puppet they've ever manipulated, as his only desire in life is the accumulation of more cash by whatever means possible. And that is the very definition of moral bankruptcy.

The CIA basically has two jobs.

Analysts and spies.

You got to be either smart or a good liar.

The people who aren't qualified for either refer to the CIA as "The Deep State"

Small dick energy, as the kids say. 😎

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It certainly exists and nobody said anything about favoring its toxic existence

you werent complaining when biden was destroyin america

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Yagoda

34 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

you werent complaining when biden was destroyin america

But that's the thing you're missing, he didn't. He left it up to DT who is doing an amazing job of it.

Just now, couchpotato said:

But that's the thing you're missing, he didn't. He left it up to DT who is doing an amazing job of it.

He did all he cound

Just now, couchpotato said:

But that's the thing you're missing, he didn't. He left it up to DT who is doing an amazing job of it.

got it. so you agree with his open border policy, the waste of taxpayer dollars, higher taxes, green energy, etc.

closing the border, cracking down on fraud and developing a sane energy policy is destroying the country