7 hours ago, Mavideol said:

it was open before he started this stupid moves, free traffic for anybody and everybody until the moron decided to go into war based on a "feeling"

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10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

As for NBC itself - it is fair to say the network is often perceived as broadly critical of Trump, particularly in its political coverage.

That's probably why the 2 anonymous U.S. government officials decided to give the leak to NBC instead of FOX.

15 hours ago, candide said:

Trump will get any piece of paper signed and claim a victory, and the MAGA sheep will believe him! 😂

Right. And the ironic thing is that there is nothing in this suggested "deal" that is any better than the one the Obama administration already made with Iran in 2015, and Trump cancelled..

A decade later, many billions of dollars spent on a disastrous war, no regime change, several American bases shot to pieces in the area, and many American lives lost, for absolutely nothing. The US even bombed a girls' school, and killed 160 children.

The US have made a complete fool of themselves, and also messing up the world's economy. They have even made Iran look victorious. Iran is still standing strong, and the regime is even tightening its grip towards their own people. Iran can and will in fact declare victory in this conflict, and now they know they can use the Hormuz strait for any future conflicts as well.

This war can not be classified as anything else than a disaster. But what can be expected from this completely incompetent Trump administration.

I can of course add that, sure, USA and Israel have bombed a lot of Iranian infrastructure, military bases and personnel, their weapon capacity, Iranian military ships and whatnot. But it has not lead to anything, and has only made a small dent on Iran. Without boots on the ground and a regime change, there is nothing that can't be fixed, or re-established. Iran has oil, lots of it, and will use it to arm themselves to their teeth again, and then do whatever they want with its uranium.

There was never a plan B, or even a plan A in this war, it was doomed before it even started.

Iran can, and will declare victory in this war, no matter what rants Trump squeezes out on truth social, or his lies and exaggeration told from the white house.

Iran has shown that they can control the Hormuz strait, and can use that on any other conflict.

It has been nothing but embarrassing to watch this whole ordeal.

From the look of the chart it is a good time to take the money and run.

Mission Accoplishmant

This is very good decisive and peaceable action by Mr Trump, once again showing he is not only a friend to Israel but to the world.

Meanwhile my stock positions have done handsomely in the interim. ✊

10 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

This is very good decisive and peaceable action by Mr Trump, once again showing he is not only a friend to Israel but to the world.

Meanwhile my stock positions have done handsomely in the interim. ✊

You can find opinions that the stock market is doing well DESPITE President Trump's no-war effort not because of it.

Or as one financial observer put it 24 April: For buy-and-hold investors in the U.S. stock market, it’s almost as though the war in Iran never happened.

I'm not sure what Trump has achieved here:

• Iran is not beaten - the previous government is still there

• Iran still has a nuclear programme

• Iran still controls the Straits of Hormuz etc

• Iran is still throwing missiles at Israel

etc etc blah blah blah.

The fact is, the USA has been shown to be military weak - it has been unable to subdue Iran on almost all fronts.

It seems Trump has upset the UAE as well as the Saudis. Once Project Freedom began the UAE was hit by several missiles from Iran, including a refinery set on fire.

Whilst the US sank some Iranian boats, it didn't attack the Iranian bases from which the missiles were fired, Trump pivoting to furthering talks with the Iranians instead.

This casual dismissal of allies' concerns angered the UAE.

The realisation for all of the US former allies that in Trump's tenure they are not allies, merely subsidiaries to be summoned and dismissed at will, can only further weaken the US as former allies seek new alliances.

The UAE has left OPEC and the petrol dollar, China is the largest buyer of Saudi oil. Are we likely to see more future transactions in the Chinese yuan and a subsequent decline in the petrol dollar?

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you view this through the lens of warfare rather than diplomacy alone, there is a credible argument that Iran’s strategic position has been significantly weakened.

Iran’s nuclear capability has not been erased - the scientific knowledge, technical expertise, and access to some raw materials still exist - but its operational capacity, infrastructure, supply chains, and broader military network have been heavily degraded. Key commanders, facilities, proxies, and strategic assets have been lost or diminished, reducing Iran’s ability to project power across the region in the way it once did.

The risk of future proliferation or regional escalation still exists, but the calculation in Tehran has changed. Iran now knows that pressure may no longer come only through sanctions, which it has historically learned to endure or circumvent, but through direct and sustained military action. That alters deterrence dynamics considerably.

It is also increasingly clear that several Gulf Arab states within the GCC - acting primarily in defence of their own regional security interests, not simply as extensions of US policy - view Iranian expansionism as a direct threat. Their growing security alignment with Israel and tacit cooperation with Western powers reflects that reality.

Iran has also paid a substantial price for its long-standing support of regional proxy groups including Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, various Iraqi Shia militias, and elements operating in Syria. These networks gave Iran strategic depth, but they also made it vulnerable to retaliation across multiple fronts.

Whether the world is ultimately “safer” is still debatable. What is harder to dispute is that Iran’s margin for aggressive regional manoeuvring has narrowed considerably, and those within the regime contemplating escalation now better understand the scale of the consequences they may face.

It may be difficult to argue that this is an outright “win” for the US, but it is equally difficult to deny that Iran has suffered the greater strategic loss - to its military infrastructure, its regional proxy network, and its broader ability to project power across the Middle East.

What matters now is whether Iran’s capacity to destabilise the region has been meaningfully constrained - how far its reach can extend through proxies, militias, and coercive influence to fuel further regional tensions or threaten critical trade routes.

People often focus solely on the Strait of Hormuz, but Iran’s influence over the Houthis also created major risks to international shipping through the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea corridor. Iran’s strategic leverage has long relied on the implicit threat that it, directly or indirectly, could disrupt global energy flows and commercial shipping lanes whenever tensions escalated.

If that capability is reduced - if the cost of escalation now outweighs the benefit - then that is not simply a win for one country. It is a strategic gain for global trade stability, regional security, and every nation dependent on free navigation through those waterways.

Yes, Iran may have been weakened regionally, but that does not establish that JCPOA withdrawal and strikes made the world safer overall. Regional degradation, nuclear proliferation risk, and global security are distinct questions, and weakening conventional power can still increase the incentive to seek a nuclear deterrent.

Your argument fails on several points of logic:

• Non sequitur — weaker regionally does not automatically mean safer globally.

• Category error — mixes regional power, nuclear risk, and global security as if they are the same.

• Unproven causal claim — assumes pressure always improves stability, which deterrence theory does not guarantee.

• Hasty generalisation — relies on partial indicators to make broad claims.

• False equivalence — assumes weaker capability equals lower threat.

Weakening conventional power while increasing nuclear incentive is not a clear security success.

21 hours ago, candide said:

Trump will get any piece of paper signed and claim a victory, and the MAGA sheep will believe him! 😂

The sooner the better.

Trump has better get Americans out of there.

MAGA

We told you this would be life in the world he has managed to distroy.

Voters supporting MAGA your to blame.

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

MAGA

We told you this would be life in the world he has managed to distroy.

Voters supporting MAGA your to blame.

It is not only the MAGA mob but all those yanks who voted this moron in who are to blame they do not understand what they have done that is the sad part !! how are you going to remove him ????? impeachment ??? he is in for life !!! you yanks are fools !!!

as usual in situations like that Trump invading/starting a war with Iran without a plan and keeping lying on a hourly basis, the truth always comes out, there is always somebody within the close circle that doesn't accept the charade and when that happened they start to spill the beans and the famous claims about Iran's armies being completely obliterated is completely false, I do have the best advise for Trump (same as he gave Zelenskyy 1 year ago) Trump should accept Iran's deal/terms, count his losses, pack and move out as he has NO Cards, remember what he said

“You’re either going to make a deal, or we’re out, and if we’re out, you’ll fight it out. I don’t think it’s going to be pretty,” Trump told him. “You don’t have the cards.”

President Donald Trump’s chest-thumping narrative about his Middle East war has been undercut by a damning intelligence leak on the extent of Iran’s capabilities.

It’s nowhere near as dire as some have claimed,” the insider said of Iran’s economic situation.

A confidential CIA analysis delivered to policymakers just this week concluded that Iran can survive a U.S. naval blockade for at least three to four months before it plummets into economic hardship, four insiders told The Washington Post.

Bombshell Intel Leak Demolishes Trump’s War Story

https://au.yahoo.com/news/bombshell-intel-leak-demolishes-trump-184624688.html