1 hour ago, ravip said:

Do people still place their trust in the UN and similar organizations? That's impressive. Some people still believe those institutions are the guardians of justice, peace, and accountability, despite the occasional inconvenience of reality getting in the way.

Apparently, reality only reveals itself to those rare individuals willing to approach it with an open and unbiased mind.

Everyone else seems content to reject it first and investigate it later

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nobody says its the ‘Jew’s fault’, that’s you playing the victim card again.

Well , you stated it was Israel's fault for killing all the Journalists.

You were indeed blaming Jews for you not being aware of Palestinian /Palestine violence .

Now, you are blaming me "playing the victim card"again.

Always someone else's fault, never you

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Keep me out of your baseless antisemite slurs, I neither support nor indorse any of Tourist2’s trolling or indeed any of the trolling remarks he’s made under the string of usernames he has used in the past.

Oh and ‘Chomps’ is not my first name.

He seems to like you though .

An extreme anti semite is befriending you .

He has detected some common ground you share

9 minutes ago, ravip said:

Apparently, reality only reveals itself to those rare individuals willing to approach it with an open and unbiased mind.

Everyone else seems content to reject it first and investigate it later

A bit like the inmates of prisons think the police and courts are biased

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Well , you stated it was Israel's fault for killing all the Journalists.

You were indeed blaming Jews for you not being aware of Palestinian /Palestine violence .

Now, you are blaming me "playing the victim card"again.

Always someone else's fault, never you

No I’m not Nick.

I’m blaming Israel and those who serve in the IDF.

I don’t blame anyone else anywhere in the planet, Jews who are not Israeli or fo not serve in the IDF included.

Your futile attempt to assert an ‘anti-Jew’ position on my behalf is noted.

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That just isn't true or correct

There are 22 Arab Countries and 57 Muslims Countries (Including the Arabs) and they get one vote each .

The Arabs and Muslims bloc is NOT only 22 countries

If you referring to the OIC countries, then half of those countries are constitutionally secular.

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

He seems to like you though .

An extreme anti semite is befriending you .

He has detected some common ground you share

He’s trolling Nick.

Liking me is nothing new, I am a likable chap, but it’s not something I encourage.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A bit like the inmates of prisons think the police and courts are biased

I have not been there, yet. So have no idea.

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you referring to the OIC countries, then half of those countries are constitutionally secular.

Really ?

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second-largest intergovernmental organization after the United Nations. It features 57 member states spanning four continents, functioning as the collective voice of the Muslim world

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nobody says its the ‘Jew’s fault’

It's the Jew's fault.

It's the fault of the Jewry.

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Really ?

Yes.

"You are spot on! The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) consists of 57 member states. While the organization serves as the "collective voice of the Muslim world", a large portion of these nations do not establish Islam as their official religion.

Constitutionally Secular: Around half of the Muslim-majority countries within the OIC declare themselves as secular in their foundational laws.

Islamic State / Official Religion: The other half explicitly declare Islam as the state religion in their constitutions. Even among these, the practical application of law ranges widely.

Muslim-Minority Members: Interestingly, about 8 OIC members (such as Suriname, Uganda, and Guyana) are actually Christian-majority countries.

"

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Keep me out of your baseless antisemite slurs, I neither support nor endorse any of Tourist2’s trolling or indeed any of the trolling remarks he’s made under the string of usernames he has used in the past.

Oh and ‘Chomps’ is not my first name.

Yo Chompers!

Is your 1st name Noam?
As in Noam Chompsky?

PS. Mad that we've found something to agree on - Genocide and Antisepticsisms
Welcome to the team! :-)

35 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Yo Chompers!

Is your 1st name Noam?
As in Noam Chompsky?

PS. Mad that we've found something to agree on - Genocide and Antisepticsisms
Welcome to the team! :-)

Although Chompy isn't an Anti-Semite , he just doesn't like Jewish Israelis , the Muslim Israelis are fine though

23 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK, Iran sent 300 missiles into Israel .

How should Israel respond to that ?

In my previous post I stated: "Americans are increasingly fed up with so-called "self-defense", so it is not surprising that Netanyahu et al are preparing the public for isolation."

This thread is not about Iran, but the targeted killing of children in Gaza. Today there is an excellent discussion on al Jazeera about Israel's weapons program, how it did $19bn in international sales to Germany and Asia, a big selling point being that weapons are battle-tested in Gaza. The UN report is mentioned. https://www.aljazeera.com/video/inside-story/2026/6/24/why-does-israel-want-to-be-less-dependent-on-us-weapons One panelist was US deputy assistant secretary of defence for the Middle East. At the moment the webpage shows "video unavailable". It can still be seen today at 18:30 on Al Jazeera English or live online at same time at https://www.aljazeera.com/schedule

29 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Although Chompy isn't an Anti-Semite , he just doesn't like Jewish Israelis , the Muslim Israelis are fine though

You once again revert to imagining views on my behalf that I have never myself expressed.

I suggest you concentrate on trying to formulate a coherent set of arguments against violence, murder, and genocide that doesn’t consist of you forgiving any of the above so long as Israeli is the perpetrator.

Just watching this interesting debate with Joe Rogan and some other guy.

Joe Rogan is siding against Israel, but the other guy is defending Israel and saying Hamas is responsible for all the civilian deaths:

His main points are:

• Hamas started the war and refuses to end it

• Israel has the right to attack. It's a justified war based on the Oct 7th attacks.

• The reason so many civilians died is because Hamas uses civilians as human shields and hides among the civilians.

• He doesn't see it as a genocide. It's just civilian collateral damage. They are trying to eradicate Hamas.

On 6/24/2026 at 4:08 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

And what planet are you from? Did you just arrive? How was your flight?

Myanmar genocide, arguable, the Rohingya; forced displacement, in any case. China, North Korea, Russia--genocide? Tell us more. Sudan, Darfur, yes genocide. Hm, and why would you put those countries together vis a vis Israel?

No one is arguing there have not been other genocides. The Holocaust is one of many, and where the term was coined. Numbers of people killed is not how one defines a genocide.

Could the IDF have killed every Palestinian. Sure. It's compassionate they <only> killed and maimed 100,000 or more. Your planet must be really nasty.

It is more than compassionate that Israel let aid flow into Gaza during a time of war. Even at the cost of that aid going to Hamas, a brutal terrorist gang of thugs. I don't recall any aid being delivered to Germany during WW2...

The casualties among innocent Gazans are terrible, and the world mourns. Yet they can all be laid at the feet of Hamas, who started a war against Israel. Then hide amongst civilians. Have spent 15 years turning Gaza into a terror state, hiding weapons in schools/hospitals and using aid money intended for infrastructure to fund their evil.

Sam Harris explains why he thinks what's happening in Gaza is NOT a genocide.

But if anyone would know how to define a genocide, it would be the UN, right?

So is the UN being biased / corrupted somehow?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYn-AC_xNoZ/

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Really ?

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second-largest intergovernmental organization after the United Nations. It features 57 member states spanning four continents, functioning as the collective voice of the Muslim world

And that's a problem how? How about the 54-member Group of African States, the 12-member Organization of South American States, the Organization of American States, or even the UN. This troubles you?

25 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

And that's a problem how? How about the 54-member Group of African States, the 12-member Organization of South American States, the Organization of American States, or even the UN. This troubles you?

Why on Earth would that trouble me ?

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You once again revert to imagining views on my behalf that I have never myself expressed.

I suggest you concentrate on trying to formulate a coherent set of arguments against violence, murder, and genocide that doesn’t consist of you forgiving any of the above so long as Israeli is the perpetrator.

Right OK .

So you are an Anti Semite then

Fair enough , I was wrong saying that you wasn't one .

Tourist2 will love you even more now

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Just watching this interesting debate with Joe Rogan and some other guy.

Joe Rogan is siding against Israel, but the other guy is defending Israel and saying Hamas is responsible for all the civilian deaths:

His main points are:

• Hamas started the war and refuses to end it

• Israel has the right to attack. It's a justified war based on the Oct 7th attacks.

• The reason so many civilians died is because Hamas uses civilians as human shields and hides among the civilians.

The arguments which you mentioned have been refuted by people educated in human rights law. A response as self-defense must be proportional and as a preventive of further attacks. Here we are getting on 3 years later. Hamas cannot mount an attack. The continuing, wanton murder of civilains has nothing to do with "self-defense". The Gaza disaster will be over when the world comes to its senses and demands the end of the reign of terror under the aegis of the so-called Board of Peace.

4 minutes ago, placnx said:

The arguments which you mentioned have been refuted by people educated in human rights law. A response as self-defense must be proportional and as a preventive of further attacks.

Hamas are still in power though and they will attack Israel in the future , so, Israel's response hasn't been strong enough

On 6/24/2026 at 7:06 PM, loong said:

The UN claim that Israel is deliberately targeting and killing children.

Apparently 50% of the Gaza population are children, so it should be expected that half the deaths will be children with no deliberate targeting.
The fact that 30% of deaths are children does not indicate that there is deliberate targeting of children.

Your argument is superficial. The report looked at the way in which children were targeted. Some killings were by individual shots by drones, which are not autonomous, and it's easy enough for the operator to see that the target is a child.

16 minutes ago, placnx said:

A response as self-defense must be proportional and as a preventive of further attacks.

Not sure the proportional argument holds.

Was this proportional?

36 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Right OK .

So you are an Anti Semite then

Fair enough , I was wrong saying that you wasn't one .

Tourist2 will love you even more now

Your baseless allegations of antisemitism are not much of a substitute for a reasoned argument but it is all you’ve got.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your baseless allegations of antisemitism are not much of a substitute for a reasoned argument but it is all you’ve got.

I initially stated that you weren't an Anti semite .

You then said that I was just imagining that .

OK, I was wrong about that (You said so yourself)

You must be an anti semite then .

41 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are still in power though and they will attack Israel in the future , so, Israel's response hasn't been strong enough

Of course Hamas are still in power, Israel need them to be in order to continue their genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.

See report on that genocide linked above.

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I initially stated that you weren't an Anti semite .

You then said that I was just imagining that .

OK, I was wrong about that (You said so yourself)

You must be an anti semite then .

I’m not interested in your antisemitism slurs.

Try debating the topic of discussion:

“UN Report Accuses Israel of Genocide Against Children”

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why on Earth would that trouble me ?

Seems like world bodies bother you. Thought I'd throw in a few more to rant over.