4 hours ago, placnx said:

The arguments which you mentioned have been refuted by people educated in human rights law. A response as self-defense must be proportional and as a preventive of further attacks. Here we are getting on 3 years later. Hamas cannot mount an attack. The continuing, wanton murder of civilains has nothing to do with "self-defense". The Gaza disaster will be over when the world comes to its senses and demands the end of the reign of terror under the aegis of the so-called Board of Peace.

Board of Piece?!? You mean the stakeholders in the Gaza Riviera, leaving the rest of Gaza in ashes and rubble. They'll have to build a wall to keep out the amputee orphans. Don't want to much sympathy for stealing the land.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You once again revert to imagining views on my behalf that I have never myself expressed.

I suggest you concentrate on trying to formulate a coherent set of arguments against violence, murder, and genocide that doesn’t consist of you forgiving any of the above so long as Israeli is the perpetrator.

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Right OK .

So you are an Anti Semite then

Fair enough , I was wrong saying that you wasn't one .

Tourist2 will love you even more now

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your baseless allegations of antisemitism are not much of a substitute for a reasoned argument but it is all you’ve got.

@Chomper Higgot

You are too polite as you keep answering his allegations.

He's just zionising you.

The accusations in the UN report are so grave, yet undeniable and show the true and disgusting face of Israel once again.

Still the Israel lovers keep defending the indefensible even going so far to defend the intentional slaughter of children by the army of a so-called “only democracy in the Middle East and our best ally”.

And as they have no valid arguments they try to distract you with stupid allegations and accusations to push you in that situation where you have to explain or defend your position, while the whole topic gets forgotten.

Which is exactly what they want.

Don't discuss with them.

The most important precondition you need in order to discuss with any person is something like a common ground, a common moral compass or base.

How much do you think, you have in common with a the person who justifies the intentional murder of children?

The audacity. They accuse Muhammad of marrying a nine year old, yet have no problem to tell their snipers to target 5 year olds and shoot them in the head or the chest or the abdomen depending on the day of the week.

They sacrificed their own humanity on the altar of Zionism.

They are not human anymore.

They may use the same words but they don't speak the same language as humans.

They turned into the same abominations which once mass murdered their ancestors.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Seems like world bodies bother you. Thought I'd throw in a few more to rant over.

No, world bodies do not bother me

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course Hamas are still in power, Israel need them to be in order to continue their genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.

See report on that genocide linked above.

So, all that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice .

Why don't Hamas do that then ?

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So, all that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice .

Why don't Hamas do that then ?

That is exactly the same BS lie stated by Israel and parroted by useful idiots last year:

"All that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice give back the hostages. Why don't Hamas do that then ?"

We all know how that ended.

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Although Chompy isn't an Anti-Semite ,

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your baseless allegations of antisemitism are not much of a substitute for a reasoned argument but it is all you’ve got.

I admit, I do find the discussion confusing and hard to follow at times .

7 minutes ago, Somjot said:

That is exactly the same BS lie stated by Israel and parroted by useful idiots last year:

"All that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice give back the hostages. Why don't Hamas do that then ?"

We all know how that ended.

HAMAS needs to be destroyed, they are a bunch of crack heads.

12 hours ago, placnx said:

Your argument is superficial. The report looked at the way in which children were targeted. Some killings were by individual shots by drones, which are not autonomous, and it's easy enough for the operator to see that the target is a child.

The report said absolutely nothing about drone operators killing children, that is your invention.

My argument is far from superficial.
"A United Nations inquiry has concluded that Israel continues to commit genocide in Gaza by deliberately targeting Palestinian children"

It stands to reason that the above argument is floored as deliberately targeting a group that makes up 50% of a population would result in more than 50% of fatalities from that group!

When the UN issues a report on the crimes of Hamas and Hezbollah, I will pay more attention.

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So, all that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice .

Why don't Hamas do that then ?

No, it’s for Israel to e d the genocide, Israel are the perpetrators of the genocide.

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

When the UN issues a report on the crimes of Hamas and Hezbollah, I will pay more attention.

You can start paying attention here:

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4051246?v=pdf

And here:

https://onu.delegfrance.org/situation-in-lebanon

Alternatively you can come up with some other interesting cause for not paying attention.

Israel accusing UN of bias.

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, it’s for Israel to e d the genocide, Israel are the perpetrators of the genocide.

The war cannot end until Hamas have been defeated

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

@Chomper Higgot

You are too polite as you keep answering his allegations.

He's just zionising you.

The accusations in the UN report are so grave, yet undeniable and show the true and disgusting face of Israel once again.

Still the Israel lovers keep defending the indefensible even going so far to defend the intentional slaughter of children by the army of a so-called “only democracy in the Middle East and our best ally”.

And as they have no valid arguments they try to distract you with stupid allegations and accusations to push you in that situation where you have to explain or defend your position, while the whole topic gets forgotten.

Which is exactly what they want.

Don't discuss with them.

The most important precondition you need in order to discuss with any person is something like a common ground, a common moral compass or base.

How much do you think, you have in common with a the person who justifies the intentional murder of children?

The audacity. They accuse Muhammad of marrying a nine year old, yet have no problem to tell their snipers to target 5 year olds and shoot them in the head or the chest or the abdomen depending on the day of the week.

They sacrificed their own humanity on the altar of Zionism.

They are not human anymore.

They may use the same words but they don't speak the same language as humans.

They turned into the same abominations which once mass murdered their ancestors.

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

@Chomper Higgot

You are too polite as you keep answering his allegations.

He's just zionising you.

The accusations in the UN report are so grave, yet undeniable and show the true and disgusting face of Israel once again.

Still the Israel lovers keep defending the indefensible even going so far to defend the intentional slaughter of children by the army of a so-called “only democracy in the Middle East and our best ally”.

And as they have no valid arguments they try to distract you with stupid allegations and accusations to push you in that situation where you have to explain or defend your position, while the whole topic gets forgotten.

Which is exactly what they want.

Don't discuss with them.

The most important precondition you need in order to discuss with any person is something like a common ground, a common moral compass or base.

How much do you think, you have in common with a the person who justifies the intentional murder of children?

The audacity. They accuse Muhammad of marrying a nine year old, yet have no problem to tell their snipers to target 5 year olds and shoot them in the head or the chest or the abdomen depending on the day of the week.

They sacrificed their own humanity on the altar of Zionism.

They are not human anymore.

They may use the same words but they don't speak the same language as humans.

They turned into the same abominations which once mass murdered their ancestors.

Good word, Zionising. The IDF is putting new mening into, old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher,

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So, all that needs to be done to stop the war/genocide is for Hamas to surrender and face justice .

Why don't Hamas do that then ?

The Israelis had a wonderful peace plan for Hamas. Disarm. But disarmament requires trust on both sides. Which means the Israelis, IDF, police, secret police, colonists also need to surrender their weapons, at least in a zone, say, 100km from whatever arbitrary line there is.

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I admit, I do find the discussion confusing and hard to follow at times .

We're all glad you don't have children, Nick, they're small targets.

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

We're all glad you don't have children, Nick, they're small targets.

Palestinian supporters have this weird weird obsession with children .

Do you think about children alot ?

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The Israelis had a wonderful peace plan for Hamas. Disarm. But disarmament requires trust on both sides. Which means the Israelis, IDF, police, secret police, colonists also need to surrender their weapons, at least in a zone, say, 100km from whatever arbitrary line there is.

Maybe the Allies could have tried that against the Nazis in 1944 ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The war cannot end until Hamas have been defeated

I'm pretty sure, even though Israelis have destroyed Gaza, it's still a stalemate. Maning, that neighter side will accept "defeat". Though neither can "win", they're both to proud to even think of "losing". I agree, Hamas militants need to be 'eliminated' or be convinced there's nothing to be gain from further violence. By destroying Gaza, Israel has thrown Palestinians into the embrace of Hamas. Israel did that by its overreaction. I'm not sure the result would have been different had Israel not decimated Gaza. It should be obvious to both sides after three years that violence is not going to solve this. Negotation--Israel paying reparations to rebuild Gaza would be a start--and continued active diplomacy are what's needed if both sides can dismiss the warhawks.

“In August 2005, a Likud-led government headed by Ariel Sharon staged a unilateral Israeli pull-out from Gaza, withdrawing all 8,500 settlers and destroying the houses and farms they had left behind. To the world, Sharon presented the withdrawal from Gaza as a contribution to peace. But in the years that followed, more than 12,000 settlers moved into the West Bank, consolidating Israeli control.” -- Avi Shlaim, Anti-Zionist Israeli historian

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Palestinians supporters have this weird weird obsession with children .

Do you think about children lot ?

Greta's not a child anymore.

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Maybe the Allies could have tried that against the Nazis in 1944 ?

Should have ignored the Nazis completely when they tried to start WWII. They would have run out of fervour, bloodlust, nationalism and money. No great suffering than the war cost and very likely no Holocaust.

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your baseless allegations of antisemitism are not much of a substitute for a reasoned argument but it is all you’ve got.

The Israeli guy is accusing the UN of being anti-semites.

It's never because people don't like Israel's policies.

That word should be banned from the English language.

Can't you people read Hebrew?

They clearly wrote that God loves them more. ✅

Head full of zombie, vegemite sandwich!

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The Israeli guy is accusing the UN of being anti-semites.

It's never because people don't like Israel's policies.

That word should be banned from the English language.

Why does the U.N focus so much on Israel ?

Why doesn't the U.N focus on the atrocities occurring elsewhere in the World ?

Not liking Isreals policies is fair enough .

But why just dislike Israel's policies ?

Why not dislike Sudan , Myanmar, Yemen policies in equal measures?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why does the U.N focus so much on Israel ?

Why doesn't the U.N focus on the atrocities occurring elsewhere in the World ?

Not liking Isreals policies is fair enough .

But why just dislike Israel's policies ?

Why not dislike Sudan , Myanmar, Yemen policies in equal measures?

Fair enough question.

I don't know.

I'm not stalking the UN or following every conflict in the world that closely.

Just did a quick search on Myanmar. Seems UN is being blocked by China and Russia. Myanmar is a "civil war" .... not exactly the same thing.

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why does the U.N focus so much on Israel ?

Why doesn't the U.N focus on the atrocities occurring elsewhere in the World ?

Not liking Isreals policies is fair enough .

But why just dislike Israel's policies ?

Why not dislike Sudan , Myanmar, Yemen policies in equal measures?

You ask very good questions ! The UN is there because the conflict started with the creation of Israel in 1948. Borders, refugees, ceasefires, wars, occupation, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank — all of it became international from day one.

The first UN peacekeeping mission in history was sent there in 1948, and it is still there today. That is why the UN focuses so much on Israel/Palestine. Not because it is the only conflict in the world, but because it is one of the UN’s oldest unfinished conflicts.

Israel / wider Middle East:
The first UN peacekeeping mission, UNTSO, was created in 1948 after the first Arab-Israeli war. So the UN has been involved around Israel and its neighbours for about 78 years as of 2026.

Lebanon / Israel border:
The UN force in south Lebanon, UNIFIL, has been there since March 1978, after Israel invaded Lebanon. That is about 48 years.

Gaza / Palestinian refugees:
The UN agency UNRWA was established in 1949 and began operations in 1950. It works with Palestinian refugees in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. So in Gaza-related refugee work, the UN has been involved about 76 years.

So, Hummin straight: the UN has been in that conflict area almost from the beginning of modern Israel itself — since 1948. In Lebanon specifically since 1978.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The war cannot end until Hamas have been defeated

It isn’t a war, it’s a genocide.

Genocide under cover of war is nothing new.

New dog, old tricks.

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why does the U.N focus so much on Israel ?

UN has been involved in that region for many years.

One would need to study the entire history of the UN's involvement and everything that happened in order to understand their current position today.

Which is above my pay grade.

A quick AI search reveals:

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The war cannot end until Hamas have been defeated

How many years have they been trying to take out Hamas?
How many more years will it take?

The international community will not be patient for decades while countless civilians die.

38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why does the U.N focus so much on Israel ?

Why doesn't the U.N focus on the atrocities occurring elsewhere in the World ?

Not liking Isreals policies is fair enough .

But why just dislike Israel's policies ?

Why not dislike Sudan , Myanmar, Yemen policies in equal measures?

And as usual! 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/ffm-sudan/index

https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/situation-human-rights-yemen-including-violations-and-abuses-september

https://unric.org/en/myanmar-many-reports-of-brutal-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/01/1166746