3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

What did she want?

She didn't touch the dog so??? 😁

19 hours ago, bannork said:

I'm gonna get shot down for this but never mind, cannabis can bring on paranoia, and finally psychosis.

Who remembers the old phrase:

'Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you'?

I've experienced paranoia years ago on the strong stuff, and I gather the stuff nowadays is much more potent.

Recently I've seen temporary psychosis with the son of a close friend, scary stuff indeed.

I'm not saying it's the definite cause of this murder but it could be a factor.

Reefer Madness Strikes Again.

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Paranoia? Can happen. Psychosis on the other hand is not a common consequence of smoking dope.

Common enough, but never you mind.

6 hours ago, rocketboy2 said:

Regular pot users, having an altercation like this.

Nah.

Something else at play here.

You the munchies and giggles sort then?

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Most crime in Thailand is locals against locals. Only a fraction involves expats and tourists.

Some shady foreigners are involved in other illegal activities but it still amounts to very little compared to locals. I would think most tourists come for the women. Weed being here is a bonus to them of course, but if there wasn't any they would still be coming for the women.

That there is less enforcement has some going haywire, thinking they can do what they want and get away with it, which isn't always true.

There's no way to tell who's coming for illegal activity but it's definitely not anything but a small amount.

Most tourists come for the women and food, and the women come for the food and temples. All come to the beach areas for the beauty.

Most crime in Thailand is local against locals....duh...it is Thailand 😁

5 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

You really want weed to be responsible, don't you? 😊

It's a character trait, not the weed. Those kind of people take weed to calm themselves down. But with the way their minds work, after a while it doesn't appear to work for them any more.

Attention readers. A psychiatric neurologist walks amongst us.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

There's a lot more to the story than meets the eye.

Yeah, there just might be!

15 minutes ago, ryandb said:

What utter nonsense to suggest that all Brits under 40 act this way; it's a larger % with mental health issues, but you might want to also look at the generation who raised them. She is likely very <deleted> up in the head, which is why at age 18 she got with a 31-year-old and ended up halfway round the world with him; this was probably a very toxic relationship from both sides. Anyways, if guilty (it would seem so), she's going to have a few clips around the ear inside, I suspect.

Women often stay too long in abusive relationships. Men are more likely to leave, unless he is the abusive one.

4 hours ago, simon43 said:

"People that smoke weed aren't junkies...."

Lol, keep kidding yourself........

They are weak-minded people who are unable to cope with the ups and downs of life without resorting to a 'crutch'. Same as alcoholics.. "I can stop if I want blah blah blah...". Yea, tell me another one!!

People like to get high. Millions of them, from all walks of life. The rich are certainly not exempt. Most people start young, in their teens, which isn't good because your brain isn't fully developed and it might get you started into something you can't stop. That they are young means they aren't struggling with so many of life's problems as they will when they have a lot more responsibilities, and most of the time it's to fit in with their peers.

Many like myself can take it or leave it, never going full time but occasionally, so weak minded isn't involved there. Will power means a strong mind, and many have that.

The term junkies has always been a label on those that do what I listed. Heroin, Meth, Crack and Morphine. Physical and mental addictions occur with those, although anyone can be addicted to most anything if they haven't the ability to say no more. That's what my point was when I said it's not for everyone.

Some should never get involved with anything mind altering. Alcohol is the worst drug out there, used by billions, kills many daily, yet there isn't the stigma weed has by some. Getting high to laugh your ass off isn't a crutch. it's a part time escape from life's daily crapola. It's also a good thing to enjoy with others like minded.

There's a huge difference with catching an occasional buzz with anything and daily use of anything that can kill you. Even weed shouldn't be used by some, but you can't tell them that as it's on them.

I see the usual suspect is back with the same veiled insults. Actually thinking he's somehow superior after being proven wrong 99.7% of the time. Edit: 100% of the time, including just now.The deflections are instantaneous when you point out the obvious.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Women often stay too long in abusive relationships. Men are more likely to leave, unless he is the abusive one.

On what have you based your statement? That's not my experience at all. Men are much more likely to not report abuse.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Ganja does a lot of things to a lot of people, but it very rarely ever makes them homicidal unlike alcohol and some other drugs. There's a lot more to the story than meets the eye.

Being rare doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Just because you want there to be "more to the story" doesn't mean that there is.

19 minutes ago, baansgr said:

I will say again..it does affect me and millions of other innocent families, why should I have to move because someone is having a bad day and wants to fire up a reefer and nearly kill me and my kids. You have no idea

Who said you have to move? How has anyone fired up a doobie and threatened your existence? Do you not realize that you drive, daily, around people who are drunk? Accidents do happen to those using weed, as they are already terrible drivers. The percentage is a fraction of those who drink then drive. Worry more about them, especially here, where incompetence goes along with that drunk driving.

17 hours ago, flaming dragon said:

Look at the first picture of the girl. She's got the neck and hands of a 65 year old. Why is that relevant? Hard core drug users often look decades older than their chronological age and do bizarre things. I wonder if she will be able to cry her way out of this one.

Oh, and note that she is tattooed.

And she’s ginger,case closed.

4 minutes ago, Keeenok Powell said:

And she’s ginger,case closed.

I would have added a laughing emoji if it wasn't so serious.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

On what have you based your statement? That's not my experience at all. Men are much more likely to not report abuse.

I worked with cases like this, where women needed 24/7 protection after running from violent partners. Still, personal experience is not worth much alone. Statistics and science are what matter.

We also had training and briefings before some of us were qualified to work on such cases. We were assigned to women who needed protection from violent partners when the system had not managed to judge or jail them. I would guess the problem is no less in Thailand.

There is science from every country but it is a world problem

https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/sr20_female_perpetrated_intimate_partner_homicide-v2.pdf?_source=chatgpt.com

WHO says around 1 in 3 women globally have experienced physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner or sexual violence by someone else. UNODC/UN Women reported that about 51,100 women and girls were killed by intimate partners or family members in 2023, about one every 10 minutes. Research on women who kill partners also often finds a history of long-term abuse before the killing.

https://www.who.int/news/item/09-03-2021-devastatingly-pervasive-1-in-3-women-globally-experience-violence

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press/releases/2024/November/one-woman-is-killed-every-10-minutes-by-their-intimate-partners-or-other-family-members.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I worked with cases like this, where women needed 24/7 protection after running from violent partners. Still, personal experience is not worth much alone. Statistics and science are what matter.

So you saw just one side of the issue, providing security.

Again. men tend to not report abuse from women. Albeit mental and/or physical. Talk to them and you'll find out.

11 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

So you saw just one side of the issue, providing security.

Again. men tend to not report abuse from women. Albeit mental and/or physical. Talk to them and you'll find out.

I did not pretend I was not coloured by the fact that I worked with such cases. You are also coloured by your own experiences.

But do you claim science and statistics lie? My claim is simple: healthy men are more likely to leave dysfunctional relationships.

Yet again, a thread devolves into a debate over whether weed makes people do crazy psychotic stuff and then the "pro-"posters claim it does and try to relate it to the murder (in this case) while the "anti-"posters claim weed is harmless and try to distance it from the murder (in this case).

This is looking at the situation backwards. Running a business as a mid or high level drug dealer is the huge elephant in the room here not smoking weed.

Thailand's murder rate is 4+ murders/100,000 people/year.

Your chance of being murdered if you are a weed smoker in Thailand may be 5 or 6 up from 4+.

Your chance of being murdered if you are a mid or high level drug dealer in Thailand must be many multiples of 4+, probably more like 100.

The investigating authorities will release a story that suits the powers that be here. This may be the truth, 90% truth or a complete invention.

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I did not pretend I was not coloured by the fact that I worked with such cases. You are also coloured by your own experiences.

But do you claim science and statistics lie? My claim is simple: healthy men are more likely to leave dysfunctional relationships.

Fact, and are also likely to enter them as much as other relationships as fixers.

Maybe she should have smoked some Indica and eat Doritos and Choc Chip cookies....no issues, except a few thousand calories.

3 minutes ago, Taboo2 said:

Maybe she should have smoked some Indica and eat Doritos and Choc Chip cookies....no issues, except a few thousand calories.

Which is what the majority of smokers would do, but I'm thinking this was a long time coming.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I did not pretend I was not coloured by the fact that I worked with such cases. You are also coloured by your own experiences.

Why do you feel the need to attribute your weaknesses to others? Why not simply leave it at "I did not pretend I was not coloured by the fact that I worked with such cases."?

I can tell you why think that you do that. Because with you, our every discussion is a competition that you cannot be seen to lose.

So instead of sharing information and building up a bigger picture, you treat the exchange as a form of combat in which you attack and need to defend yourself.

So now...let's get back to the topic. Please indicate where the perpetrator has suggested that the victim was in any way abusive? If you cannot, then on what basis did you malign the victim?

All my comments are based solely on the reported evidence and unbiased experience with damaged individuals. It's you who has applied bias and who has continued in a vein inapplicable to this particular situation.

The discussion veered on to blaming cannabis for her behaviour. I say absolutely not, from my extensive experience. This is personal to her.

Maligning the victim with no evidence at all is the result of your prejudiced view. My view is based on evidence and experience, with no bias towards male or female.

12 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Yet again, a thread devolves into a debate over whether weed makes people do crazy psychotic stuff and then the "pro-"posters claim it does and try to relate it to the murder (in this case) while the "anti-"posters claim weed is harmless and try to distance it from the murder (in this case).

This is looking at the situation backwards. Running a business as a mid or high level drug dealer is the huge elephant in the room here not smoking weed.

Thailand's murder rate is 4+ murders/100,000 people/year.

Your chance of being murdered if you are a weed smoker in Thailand may be 5 or 6 up from 4+.

Your chance of being murdered if you are a mid or high level drug dealer in Thailand must be many multiples of 4+, probably more like 100.

The investigating authorities will release a story that suits the powers that be here. This may be the truth, 90% truth or a complete invention.

You post is nonsensical, if you don't mind me saying so. My position is neither of the above.

As to being backwards, it's possible that he met his girlfriend through their love of weed, but her "depression and severe anxiety" wasn't created by the weed nor did it cause her to murder him. She did that from her out of control character.

You really have no idea how much hate a woman can generate...

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Why do you feel the need to attribute your weaknesses to others. Why not simply leave it at "I did not pretend I was not coloured by the fact that I worked with such cases."

I can tell you why. Because with you, our every discussion is a competition that you cannot be seen to lose.

So instead of sharing information and building up a bigger picture, you treat the exchange as a form of combat in which you attack and need to defend yourself.

So now...let's get back to the topic. Please indicate where the perpetrator has suggested that the victim was in any way abusive? If you cannot, then on what basis did you malign the victim?

All my comments as based solely on the reported evidence and unbiased experience with damaged individuals. It's you who has applied bias and who has continued in a vein inapplicable to this particular situation.

The discussion veered onto blaming cannabis for her behaviour. I say absolutely not, from my extensive experience. This is personal to her.

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Maligning the victim with no evidence at all is the result of your prejudiced view. My view is based on evidence and experience, with no bias towards male or female.

Stay on the ball. Do not personalise this more than necessary. You started insulting me again with another long, draining post where you assigned me every negative characteristic, as usual. I gave you a serious answer, yet here you are again projecting your own feelings onto me. I simply pointed out that there are always two sides to a story, but you already had this woman figured out based on your experience and interpretation.

19 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Another psycho woman hiding behind "depression and severe anxiety"... Just another way of expressing the inability to cope with not getting what they want when they want it.

7 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Oh...what a lovely strawman you have created there. Though a bit flimsy, don't you think?

Perhaps you can clarify your position...are you suggesting that he deserved to be stabbed in the back and front, murdered, and that he deserved it, due to being a "fine man"? I don't notice any stab wounds on her, nor have the police recorded any damage to her person other than cuts on her fingertips. So on what basis are you the maligning the victim? Because he owned a cannabis farm and therefore deserved to be murdered by his psycho girlfriend?

Is it too much for you to accept that she really is "the crazy one"? Six stabs wound around his body not enough evidence for you?

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You post is nonsensical, if you don't mind me saying so. My position is neither of the above.

As to being backwards, it's possible that he met his girlfriend through their love of weed, but her "depression and severe anxiety" wasn't created by the weed nor did it cause her to murder him. She did that from her out of control character.

You really have no idea how much hate a woman can generate...

Did you actually read my post? Do you think I was referring to just one poster? Did you think I was referring to you? Your comments seem to have completely missed the point I was making about the murky, violent world of drug dealers. Perhaps English is not your first language.

Your post seems to have no relevance to my post. It is a non sequitur.

With regards to your last sentence, I apologise for inadvertently triggering you. Clearly you have had a bad experience with a woman.

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I simply pointed out that there are always two sides to a story, but you already had this woman figured out based on your experience and interpretation.

Ignoring your implied victimhood, you are suggesting that you simply "pointed out that there were always two sides to every story"

That's not what you wrote though, was it? You wrote sarcastically, "I’m sure he was a fine man, and she was the crazy one."

So why did she not say that he was abusive and she finally 'lost it'? She didn't because it's likely not true.

Later the implication became "woman stay in abusive relationships". So then the implication became that he may have been an abuser. On what evidence?

Whereas my posts are based on the evidence. She lied in saying that he did it to himself. She stabbed him multiple times in the back and front. That is crazy, isn't it?

Whereas you just make up scenarios out of thin air, with no evidence at all. Literally nothing to back up what you are asserting.

15 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Did you actually read my post? Do you think I was referring to just one poster? Did you think I was referring to you? Your comments seem to have completely missed the point I was making about the murky, violent world of drug dealers. Perhaps English is not your first language.

Your post seems to have no relevance to my post. It is a non sequitur.

With regards to your last sentence, I apologise for inadvertently triggering you. Clearly you have had a bad experience with a woman.

Yes, I read your post, you split the posters into two camps. So, were you referring to everyone but me?

Secondly, murky world of drug dealers... unless someone put her up to the job, it's a domestic scene and your post is a load of nonsense.

Thank you for your attention in this matter. Please don't let me have to repeat myself.

As to experiences with women, I love women and have had a lot of experience with them. Hasn't affected me negatively at all. The fact that I can see what is in front of me and not be blinded by my own narcissistic tendencies is somewhat helpful.

That's why, I don't ever need to sink to P4P. I can spot the wrong 'uns from a mile off. Even the ones posting here.

I am 75, and a current 10 year rsident of Udonthani, Thailand. Began smoking weak Mexican pot at 17 yrs old. Joined the military after graduation, and ended up in Udonthani Thailand for 2 years, and Danang for 6 months. I will never forget smoking that Thai stuff 1st time. Today I indulge once in awhile. I can tell you ....the weed here today is no more or no less "powerful" that it was 55 years ago. They grow it the same way with the same methods of producing the product. It is absolutely strong stuff. But, as my brother proved in the USA, one can grow weed in the USA using the methodology as Thais have for millenium, and the results will be VERY potent weed. However, these synthetic cannabanoids , known as spice DO produce psychotic behavior. I do not know if they used spice, but I would doubt it. Why, in the LOS, with the availability of great cannibis would someone smoke spice. But people do have psychotic breaks. Yaba use was widespread at one time, and was accepted because it was a stimulant. Employers LOVED the long hours and the employees ability to stay focused on the task. It made for great employees....until it didn't. Keep in mind...ya...means drugs....ba...means crazy. So Yaba came by its name honestly. And was a big part of the reason Thailand came down hard on drugs for a long time. Weed got caught up in the turmoil until the general populous just asked for weed to be excluded from the draconian justice dispensed for smuggling other drugs. Whatever happened, I can not believe that weed was the primary precursor to this murder.. Nor do I believe cannabis is a completely harmless drug. The drug that causes the most harm whether speaking of Thailand, the USA or the UK, is alcohol. And it isn't even close. I repeat, people DO have psychotic breaks. And oftentimes, there is not a direct link found that one can point to and say "THIS is the reason!" Then again, she may be putting her insanity plea in order.

7 minutes ago, jonbsails51 said:

I am 75, and a current 10 year rsident of Udonthani, Thailand. Began smoking weak Mexican pot at 17 yrs old. Joined the military after graduation, and ended up in Udonthani Thailand for 2 years, and Danang for 6 months. I will never forget smoking that Thai stuff 1st time. Today I indulge once in awhile. I can tell you ....the weed here today is no more or no less "powerful" that it was 55 years ago. They grow it the same way with the same methods of producing the product. It is absolutely strong stuff. But, as my brother proved in the USA, one can grow weed in the USA using the methodology as Thais have for millenium, and the results will be VERY potent weed. However, these synthetic cannabanoids , known as spice DO produce psychotic behavior. I do not know if they used spice, but I would doubt it. Why, in the LOS, with the availability of great cannibis would someone smoke spice. But people do have psychotic breaks. Yaba use was widespread at one time, and was accepted because it was a stimulant. Employers LOVED the long hours and the employees ability to stay focused on the task. It made for great employees....until it didn't. Keep in mind...ya...means drugs....ba...means crazy. So Yaba came by its name honestly. And was a big part of the reason Thailand came down hard on drugs for a long time. Weed got caught up in the turmoil until the general populous just asked for weed to be excluded from the draconian justice dispensed for smuggling other drugs. Whatever happened, I can not believe that weed was the primary precursor to this murder.. Nor do I believe cannabis is a completely harmless drug. The drug that causes the most harm whether speaking of Thailand, the USA or the UK, is alcohol. And it isn't even close. I repeat, people DO have psychotic breaks. And oftentimes, there is not a direct link found that one can point to and say "THIS is the reason!" Then again, she may be putting her insanity plea in order.

Agree, also thinking this wasn't the weed but an act that finally had it's day. Doing drugs surely does help in anyone's defense in this type of crime. Tried "Spice" a couple of times, and it definitely should be avoided. Once it seemed like it took me an hour to drive a mile, another I had a conversation with Jesus, much to the amusement of my daughter.

17 minutes ago, jonbsails51 said:

I am 75, and a current 10 year rsident of Udonthani, Thailand. Began smoking weak Mexican pot at 17 yrs old. Joined the military after graduation, and ended up in Udonthani Thailand for 2 years, and Danang for 6 months. I will never forget smoking that Thai stuff 1st time. Today I indulge once in awhile. I can tell you ....the weed here today is no more or no less "powerful" that it was 55 years ago. They grow it the same way with the same methods of producing the product. It is absolutely strong stuff. But, as my brother proved in the USA, one can grow weed in the USA using the methodology as Thais have for millenium, and the results will be VERY potent weed. However, these synthetic cannabanoids , known as spice DO produce psychotic behavior. I do not know if they used spice, but I would doubt it. Why, in the LOS, with the availability of great cannibis would someone smoke spice. But people do have psychotic breaks. Yaba use was widespread at one time, and was accepted because it was a stimulant. Employers LOVED the long hours and the employees ability to stay focused on the task. It made for great employees....until it didn't. Keep in mind...ya...means drugs....ba...means crazy. So Yaba came by its name honestly. And was a big part of the reason Thailand came down hard on drugs for a long time. Weed got caught up in the turmoil until the general populous just asked for weed to be excluded from the draconian justice dispensed for smuggling other drugs. Whatever happened, I can not believe that weed was the primary precursor to this murder.. Nor do I believe cannabis is a completely harmless drug. The drug that causes the most harm whether speaking of Thailand, the USA or the UK, is alcohol. And it isn't even close. I repeat, people DO have psychotic breaks. And oftentimes, there is not a direct link found that one can point to and say "THIS is the reason!" Then again, she may be putting her insanity plea in order.

Weed can affect people differently, especially people with ADHD or bipolar disorder. Stimulants can calm ADHD symptoms when used medically, while cannabis can be unpredictable. For some it may relax them, for others it can increase anxiety, agitation, paranoia, or even trigger mania, especially with bipolar disorder.