6 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Not true and looks like you are looking for excuses. No problem being fat if you enjoy life. Thinking it is healthy is delusional.

So why do fat people live to 95? Do marathon runners live to 95yo? I never hear about that.

For bone density a 5x5 program works best. Higher reps don't stress the bones for growth.

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

True, and a lot easier than cooking by feet.

If it is luke warm I may stir it with my todger.

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

Do marathon runners live to 95yo?

Research shows that distance runners live an average of 3 to 5 years longer than the general population.

Just now, Rockyroad said:

So why do fat people live to 95? Do marathon runners live to 95yo? I never hear about that.

For bone density a 5x5 program works best. Higher reps don't stress the bones for growth.

Why do skinny people live to 100? You got to try harder but you are just having fun and being you :)

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Why do skinny people live to 100? You got to try harder but you are just having fun and being you :)

A famous jewish study found 30 to 40% of old people were obese and 60% smoked for 30 years.

Look it up.

• The Shocking Quote: As Dr. Barzilai famously summarized: "Most of our centenarians are overweight. Most didn't take walks. Most didn't eat what they should eat... In spite of all that, they got to 100."

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3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Research shows that distance runners live an average of 3 to 5 years longer than the general population.

And the quality of life is vastly superior. Reaper gets us all but why make his job easier.

Just now, atpeace said:

And the quality of life is vastly superior. Reaper gets us all but why make his job easier.

Only if you enjoy running. Some prefer drinking and smoking.

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

A famous jewish study found 30 to 40% of old people were obese and 60% smoked for 30 years.

Look it up.

Yep and below the doctor that put the study together:

Dr. Barzilai famously summarized the study: "It's not that if you want to live to be 100, you can smoke and not exercise. It's that there are rare people who are going to be 100, and for them it doesn't matter — they get there anyhow."

He concluded roughly 30% of the Jewish population had a specific gene that allowed them to survive these bad habbits. Might be true and might not be...

If you exercise, you might live longer than if you did not, and the exercise may also make you feel happier through the hormones your body releases. But the important question is whether you truly enjoy what you are doing, love your exercise, and feel better and happier because of it.

Exercise can help prevent depression in those who are more vulnerable to becoming depressed and inactive. And if your exercise routine makes you eat healthier, think more about what you eat, and drink less, then you may prolong your life by a few years. Maybe even longer for some.

You cannot compare one 95-year-old with another and judge how they reached 95. Happiness is everything, so do what makes you happy. Everything else is really a waste of time.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31619788/

Long life has more to do with brain activity ie less stress more calmness.

This explains why smokers and junk food eaters make 100.

6 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Only if you enjoy running. Some prefer drinking and smoking.

Like I said earlier, if it makes you happy, do it. I drink ( it makes me happy ) quite a bit but exercise regularly and get regular checkups. If any number starts to look bad, I'll address it. Most people in America are metabolically a mess and why? Because they are fat. If you enjoy eating to excess, have at it. Maybe you will a life similar to Buffet.

2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31619788/

Long life has more to do with brain activity ie less stress more calmness.

This explains why smokers and junk food eaters make 100.

Weird conclusion. Junk food eaters and smokers are much more likely to have mental health issues than those that refrain and live a healthy lifestyle. You are just being you :)

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

Like I said earlier, if it makes you happy, do it. I drink ( it makes me happy ) quite a bit but exercise regularly and get regular checkups. If any number starts to look bad, I'll address it. Most people in America are metabolically a mess and why? Because they are fat. If you enjoy eating to excess, have at it. Maybe you will a life similar to Buffet.

Americans are high stress people. Always drama. I bet McEnroe does not live longer than Federer. Same fitness, different mindset.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Weird conclusion. Junk food eaters and smokers are much more likely to have mental health issues than those that refrain and live a healthy lifestyle. You are just being you :)

How do you know that?

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If you exercise, you might live longer than if you did not, and the exercise may also make you feel happier through the hormones your body releases. But the important question is whether you truly enjoy what you are doing, love your exercise, and feel better and happier because of it.

Exercise can help prevent depression in those who are more vulnerable to becoming depressed and inactive. And if your exercise routine makes you eat healthier, think more about what you eat, and drink less, then you may prolong your life by a few years. Maybe even longer for some.

You cannot compare one 95-year-old with another and judge how they reached 95. Happiness is everything, so do what makes you happy. Everything else is really a waste of time.

Doing things that are uncomfortable create satisfaction and happiness. Sitting on the couch and eating potato chips everyday for hours in the end leads to despair. Too much research out there to confirm this and this has been known for 100+ years. Some would rather take the easy comfortable route and that is very risky.

As for exercising and loving it. I enjoy it some days and others not. I rarely love it. I do it because of what it produces more than anything else. Very few people ( non-enhanced ;) ) in the world that are 55+ have my weight to strength ratio and my cardiovascular output. That 1-2 hours a day from 20-59yo exercising and eating appropriately is how I got here. I also drink too much on occasion and eat junk but I don't make a habit out of it.

Eating donuts and living like a sloth is fine if it gets you to a place that is satisfying. Pretty simple......

16 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Americans are high stress people. Always drama. I bet McEnroe does not live longer than Federer. Same fitness, different mindset.

The fact that McEnroe is around 23 years older than Federer slightly loads the odds in your favour.

14 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

How do you know that?

Good question and there are mountains of evidence. Here is a little of it.

The Junk Food & Mental Health Sources

• The SMILES Trial (2017):

  • The Result: After just 12 weeks, 32% of the healthy eating group achieved full remission from their depression, compared to just 8% in the social-support control group.

• The UK Biobank Study (2023): A massive cohort study published in JAMA Network Open tracked over 30,000 individuals.

  • The Result: They found that high intake of ultra-processed foods (UPFs)—specifically those containing artificial sweeteners and highly refined fats—was directly associated with a 50% higher risk of developing depression.

• The Whitehall II Cohort: A massive, long-ter

The Smoking & Mental Health Sources

People often smoke because they think it relieves anxiety, but the science shows that nicotine actually alters brain chemistry to increase vulnerability to psychiatric conditions.

• The Lancet Psychiatry Mega-Analysis (2024): —smoking causally increases the risk of developing major depression by over 100% and schizophrenia by up to 150%.

• The Cochrane Review (2021): The mental health improvement from quitting smoking was equal to or greater than taking antidepressant medication.

• British Journal of Psychiatry Study: adolescents who smoke regularly are at a significantly higher risk of developing anxiety disorders and panic attacks in early adulthood due to nicotine’s chronic dysregulation of the brain's stress-response pathways (the HPA axis).

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Doing things that are uncomfortable create satisfaction and happiness. Sitting on the couch and eating potato chips everyday for hours in the end leads to despair. Too much research out there to confirm this and this has been known for 100+ years. Some would rather take the easy comfortable route and that is very risky.

As for exercising and loving it. I enjoy it some days and others not. I rarely love it. I do it because of what it produces more than anything else. Very few people ( non-enhanced ;) ) in the world that are 55+ have my weight to strength ratio and my cardiovascular output. That 1-2 hours a day from 20-59yo exercising and eating appropriately is how I got here. I also drink too much on occasion and eat junk but I don't make a habit out of it.

Eating donuts and living like a sloth is fine if it gets you to a place that is satisfying. Pretty simple......

I think the hardest part for some is defining true happiness. Some claim drinking every day makes them happy, but science says something else.

What I know, based on science or not, is that discipline makes me happy. Doing things I know will make me happy in the long run, not necessarily today, but in the long run. It is quite simple:

Get up in the morning.

Drink water.

Morning exercise.

Coffee.

Then the day can begin with whatever needs to be done.

10 minutes ago, Keeps said:

The fact that McEnroe is around 23 years older than Federer slightly loads the odds in your favour.

Nothing to do with it. Age at death. I would not expect John to make 90 given his stress levels.

27 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Americans are high stress people. Always drama. I bet McEnroe does not live longer than Federer. Same fitness, different mindset.

My hunch is you are right if you meant age and not living longer for obvious reasons :) McEnroe seems calm to me now for what that is worth.

6 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Good question and there are mountains of evidence. Here is a little of it.

The Junk Food & Mental Health Sources

• The SMILES Trial (2017):

  • The Result: After just 12 weeks, 32% of the healthy eating group achieved full remission from their depression, compared to just 8% in the social-support control group.

• The UK Biobank Study (2023): A massive cohort study published in JAMA Network Open tracked over 30,000 individuals.

  • The Result: They found that high intake of ultra-processed foods (UPFs)—specifically those containing artificial sweeteners and highly refined fats—was directly associated with a 50% higher risk of developing depression.

• The Whitehall II Cohort: A massive, long-ter

The Smoking & Mental Health Sources

People often smoke because they think it relieves anxiety, but the science shows that nicotine actually alters brain chemistry to increase vulnerability to psychiatric conditions.

• The Lancet Psychiatry Mega-Analysis (2024): —smoking causally increases the risk of developing major depression by over 100% and schizophrenia by up to 150%.

• The Cochrane Review (2021): The mental health improvement from quitting smoking was equal to or greater than taking antidepressant medication.

• British Journal of Psychiatry Study: adolescents who smoke regularly are at a significantly higher risk of developing anxiety disorders and panic attacks in early adulthood due to nicotine’s chronic dysregulation of the brain's stress-response pathways (the HPA axis).

I think those studies miss the point. Lack of magnesium plays a big role in brain health. Potassium lowers blood pressure. Salt is vital for fluid balance and muscle contraction.

When you strip it down it's electrolytes that play a bigger role in health.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I think the hardest part for some is defining true happiness. Some claim drinking every day makes them happy, but science says something else.

What I know, based on science or not, is that discipline makes me happy. Doing things I know will make me happy in the long run, not necessarily today, but in the long run. It is quite simple:

Get up in the morning.

Drink water.

Morning exercise.

Coffee.

Then the day can begin with whatever needs to be done.

That routine is not even close to the norm and is similar to mine. I'm much more flexible with my schedule but I do it day in and day out. A month ago I started taking one day off a week as an experiment. I do drink every night. I quit regularly for 3-12 months to let my liver completely reset :) I like drinking but I know it isn't healthy :) One positive, it improves my running performance. I'm one of those lucky moderate drinkers that it decreases inflammation. Performance and health though are not the same.

4 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

I think those studies miss the point. Lack of magnesium plays a big role in brain health. Potassium lowers blood pressure. Salt is vital for fluid balance and muscle contraction.

When you strip it down it's electrolytes that play a bigger role in health.

Stay on topic as you would say -HaHa. I like my electrolytes also.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Stay on topic as you would say -HaHa. I like my electrolytes also.

When you are stressed, your Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal (HPA) axis kicks into gear, flooding your system with cortisol.

• Magnesium down-regulates this response by reducing the release of stress hormones from the brain and preventing cortisol from easily crossing the blood-brain barrier.

9 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Thin people are more likely to break bones if they fall. Being skinny at age 80 is a bad idea.

Those stats are flawed too as many fat people drink too much alcohol.

9 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Thin people are more likely to break bones if they fall. Being skinny at age 80 is a bad idea.

Those stats are flawed too as many fat people drink too much alcohol.

9 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Thin people are more likely to break bones if they fall. Being skinny at age 80 is a bad idea.

Those stats are flawed too as many fat people drink too much alcohol.

thin people dont haveexcess weight to carry around so dont fall over so much ,fatties tend to topple over

Just now, 3NUMBAS said:

thin people dont haveexcess weight to carry around so dont fall over so much ,fatties tend to topple over

At 85yo anyone can fall over more easily and a fat person might walk more slowly so less likely to fall over.

15 minutes ago, atpeace said:

That routine is not even close to the norm and is similar to mine. I'm much more flexible with my schedule but I do it day in and day out. A month ago I started taking one day off a week as an experiment. I do drink every night. I quit regularly for 3-12 months to let my liver completely reset :) I like drinking but I know it isn't healthy :) One positive, it improves my running performance. I'm one of those lucky moderate drinkers that it decreases inflammation. Performance and health though are not the same.

It might read like a lot, but it is very easy and gives me a great start in the morning, which shapes the rest of my day.

We all do the best we know and can. We also all have habits we know are not ideal. Right now, back in Norway, family, friends and travelling make it easy to lose the rhythm.

I will take my chances as I go to the gym 5 days a week and I am 76. Exercise will always, assuming it is not over done, improve your health. Additionally if I have to go to a shop and it is 3+ km from home I walk there and walk back carrying whatever I bought.

Just now, Photoguy21 said:

I will take my chances as I go to the gym 5 days a week and I am 76. Exercise will always, assuming it is not over done, improve your health. Additionally if I have to go to a shop and it is 3+ km from home I walk there and walk back carrying whatever I bought.

Walking in Thailand is good fun too I find. Things happening.

Just now, Rockyroad said:

When you are stressed, your Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal (HPA) axis kicks into gear, flooding your system with cortisol.

• Magnesium down-regulates this response by reducing the release of stress hormones from the brain and preventing cortisol from easily crossing the blood-brain barrier.

We are definitely going off on a tangent but electrolytes are one of my favorite topics. Yep - rarely the life of the party.

Electrolytes are not really a concern for most but if you you do cardio here they can become a huge issue. I have had some scary rides where I it was hellishly hot and I drank only plain water and tons of it. Never taken acid but sense it might be close.

I add about 6 teaspoons of salt to my drinks spread out throughout the day but the trick is to always have a couple bites of a banana so the Sodium-Potassium Pump is activated. My muscles get pumped up and my performance improves. I increased magnesium about 3 months ago and the result have been incredible. I buy kilos of cheap baked pumpkin seeds that are loaded with magnesium and the zinc also helps. After a week or two I started sleeping even better and no pee breaks!

I'm sure, this is quite boring to others - sorry....